Florida Adoption: The First Organized Opposition to the Gay Rights Movement...UPDATE Homophobic Adoption Bill Closeted, um, I mean Tabled

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    Mar 13, 2015 3:35 AM GMT
    "Save Our Children was the first organized opposition to the gay rights movement, whose beginnings were traced to the Stonewall riots in 1969."
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    "she has damaged so many lives"~~Thom Higgins

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/adoption-promotion-bill-erases-gay-adoption-ban-fr/nkTG5/
    TALLAHASSEE — A bill aimed at promoting adoptions but that also erases an outdated ban on same-sex couples adopting children was approved Wednesday by the Florida House.

    A same-sex couples’ ban had been in place until 2010, when an appeals court ruled it was unconstitutional. Then-Gov. Charlie Crist did not appeal the ruling and current law allows gay people to adopt in Florida.

    But eliminating the statutory language was important, said House Democrats. Many conservative Republicans joined in the 68-50 vote approving the legislation


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    http://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/florida-house-passes-legislation-to-end-discriminatory-adoption-ban
    Following the House’s passage, this bill will go to the Senate for consideration. We thank Rep. Richardson for putting forward this amendment and urge the Florida Senate to retain this amendment to repeal discriminatory and invalid provisions prohibiting gay and lesbian people from adopting. The language serves no purpose but to stigmatize gay and lesbian people – it is time for this harmful language to be eliminated.




    http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/house-passes-bill-aimed-at-more-adoptions-including-for-same-sex-couples/2220975
    The bill has drawn ire from such groups as the Florida Family Policy Council, which urged supporters Tuesday night to call their representatives and request they vote down the bill as a result of it striking same-sex adoption language.

    But Tiffany Faykus, executive director of the the Heart Gallery of Pinellas and Pasco, said if the bill passes the Senate, it will help children find homes while saving money for taxpayers who spend about $300,000 for each child who ages out of foster care.


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    http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2015/03/bill_to_officially_erase_gay_parent_adoption_ban_passes_in_the_house_with_r.php
    Dating back to the days of Anita Bryant's anti-gay crusades in Florida of the '70s, the state's gay adoption ban was ruled unconstitutional in 2008


    Fuck you Anita, fuck you.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_Our_Children
    Save Our Children, Inc. was a political coalition formed in 1977 in Miami, Florida to overturn a recently legislated county ordinance that banned discrimination in areas of housing, employment, and public accommodation based on sexual orientation. The coalition was publicly headed by celebrity singer Anita Bryant, who claimed the ordinance discriminated against her right to teach her children biblical morality. It was a well-organized campaign that initiated a bitter political fight between unprepared gay activists and highly motivated Christian fundamentalists. When the repeal of the ordinance went to a vote, it attracted the largest response of any special election in Dade County's history, passing by 70%.

    Save Our Children was the first organized opposition to the gay rights movement, whose beginnings were traced to the Stonewall riots in 1969.


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    Mar 13, 2015 4:19 AM GMT
    The operable word here is the "outdated" ban on same-sex couples adopting. Florida's own courts have overturned that law. Rescinding that law in the State legislature is good, but little more than window dressing. It changes nothing that wasn't already happening.

    Now ask the Florida State Legislature when it will approve same-sex marriage. Or hospital visitation rights. Or domestic partner employee benefits. Not likely, until again, the "activist courts" intervene.

    Republican politicians are always "a day late and a dollar short" on issues of gay civil rights, never once having taken the lead. Rather they remain fundamentally in ideological opposition to gay rights. You didn't get that memo?
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    Mar 13, 2015 4:21 AM GMT
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    Mar 13, 2015 4:45 AM GMT
    http://www2.mnhs.org/library/findaids/00715.pdf
    Thom Higgins, the son of Leo and Katherine Higgins, was born on June 17, 1950, in Beaver Dam, Wisconsin. The family later moved to Minnesota, where Higgins attended Catholic elementary schools in New Brighton and Roseville. He attended Catholic high schools in Minnesota and North Dakota and entered the University of North Dakota, Grand Forks in May 1967 as part of a special program for gifted high school students. He concentrated his studies in journalism and theater and was associate editor, arts and entertainment editor, and columnist for the school paper, Dakota Student.

    Higgins was the first person in Minnesota to be granted a presidential conscientious objector draft classification (1969). After leaving his position at RTBN in 1970, he became heavily involved in political activities, including volunteer draft counseling and work with Minnesota Clergy and Laity Concerned, two committees of the Minnesota Human Rights Council, and the steering committee of the University Strike Against the War

    In 1981 Higgins entered the nursing program at Minneapolis Community College and received his associate degree in 1983. He worked as a nurse until his death in 1994.
    Throughout his adult life Higgins was a leader in the gay rights movement. He was a founding member and officer of several gay organizations, including FREE (Fight Repression of Erotic Expression), The Gay Imperative, and the Church of the Chosen People, a gay pagan religion established in 1975. He was also a member of Target City Coalition and the Cuban Refugee Task Force of Positively Gay.

    In October 1977 Higgins gained nationwide notoriety for throwing a pie in the face of Anita Bryant at a press conference in Des Moines, Iowa.


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    Mar 13, 2015 5:54 AM GMT
    http://www.wral.com/florida-house-bill-would-remove-gay-adoption-ban-from-law/14507397/

    Many of the Republican "no" votes came from the party's most conservative members.

    But other Republicans said the important part of the bill is helping kids find homes and that they weren't bothered by the gay adoption issue.

    Among those was Republican Rep. Frank Artiles of Miami, the target of criticism from gay and transgender groups for a bill he is sponsoring that would ban transgender people from using public bathrooms assigned to the gender they identify with.

    Artiles said same-sex couples should be able to know the joy of parenthood and children should be allowed the opportunity to be in a stable, loving home. He said the ban was wrong.


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    http://www.dallasvoice.com/florida-house-votes-remove-gay-lesbian-adoption-ban-10191506.html
    No Republicans spoke against the amendment, although some voted against it. Some said they didn’t support adoption by gays and lesbians, but were voting for the amendment so the law reflected court rulings and policy...

    In the case of unconstitutional laws remaining on the books, misreading the Florida adoption law could delay an adoption and increase costs for no reason other than bigotry against those trying to adopt.

    The bill still has to pass the Florida Senate and be signed by anti-gay Gov. Rick Scott.


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    Mar 13, 2015 6:06 AM GMT
    http://www.saintpetersblog.com/archives/184464
    ...some Christian conservatives aren’t giving up the fight.

    “Regardless of the immediate outcome in the Florida House, let’s not forget that there is a separate chamber, the Florida Senate, who is still working on their version of this comprehensive package,” said Bill Bunkley, president of Florida Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.

    And Matthew Staver from the Orlando-based Liberty Counsel, told the Christian Examiner that anyone who votes for the bill should be removed from office.


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    Mar 13, 2015 6:19 AM GMT
    This is just the State House, I believe. The Florida Senate has yet to act. And then it would require the Governor's signature. This isn't a done deal yet.

    Though as I said above, it's largely a symbolic action. The Florida "activist" courts have already permitted adoption by same-sex couples. In fact, we know a gay couple living just a few blocks from us in Wilton Manors who are becoming adoptive parents.

    A White couple, with a Black girl they've cared for since she was an infant, and who fought many court battles to bring this about. Her mother's a convicted drug addict, with repeated drug offenses and a criminal history, the child's father unknown.

    Well, this little girl is now in a loving home, with stable and prosperous parents, and she'll never lack for anything. I know these guys. Would that all children have such good fortune.

    But don't tell most Republicans that. Gay parents are perverted and violate God's will. God's will being that a baby be returned to a drug-addicted mother, or placed in an institution. Politics, ideology and homophobia taking priority over common sense & humanity in Republicanland. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 13, 2015 6:47 AM GMT
    All of that sounds pretty good until we start talking about Judge David Audlin from Key West, the openly gay but "discrete" Democrat who first ruled against a gay adoption and then was caught with X rated pics on a gay hook up site. He's faded into the dust since he retired last year.
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    Mar 13, 2015 5:24 PM GMT
    Well, since I started it of course I had to see who's posted so caught the normally ignored bebop asshat:

    bobo saidAll of that sounds pretty good until we start talking about Judge David Audlin from Key West, the openly gay but "discrete" Democrat who first ruled against a gay adoption and then was caught with X rated pics on a gay hook up site. He's faded into the dust since he retired last year.


    To which I wonder from something else I'd seen in another thread, to wit....

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    Ooops, you're not supposed to remember this or bring it up.


    No, you're just not supposed to use logical fallacies like tu quoque in rebutting others' arguments.


    ...whether lodging the complaint about an opponent while remaining silent when your team does the same might surmise humility in not wanting to flaunt integrity.
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    Mar 13, 2015 7:34 PM GMT
    bobbobbob saidAll of that sounds pretty good until we start talking about Judge David Audlin from Key West, the openly gay but "discrete" Democrat who first ruled against a gay adoption and then was caught with X rated pics on a gay hook up site. He's faded into the dust since he retired last year.

    And that's related to this state-wide Florida topic HOW? A local judge in remote Key West, with limited jurisdiction?
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    Mar 13, 2015 9:15 PM GMT
    http://www.christianexaminer.com/article/conscience.clause.could.de.fuse.gay.adoption.in.florida/48549.htm

    'Conscience clause' proposed after gay adoption flap in Florida

    ...Though legislators in the Republican dominated Florida House voted Wednesday 68-50 to approve a measure including a controversial provision repealing part of a state law which bans same-sex couples from adopting, the wrangling is far from over...

    ...A longtime Southern Baptist, Baxley said ultimately he voted in favor of the bill -- but has been discussing a "conscious clause" that could be applied to "adoption agencies that it would violate their convictions to do certain types of adoptions."

    ...drafted an "Adoption Agency Conscience Protection Amendment" that has been delivered to key leaders in the legislature...

    ...Lawmakers said this put them in sort of a quandry when faced with feforms (sic) (reforms?) needed in the current adoption/foster care process to which HB strengthens. The amendment made to strike the language on homosexuality adoption was a last minute addition which caught conservatives by surprise.

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    Mar 14, 2015 12:18 AM GMT
    How embarrassing liberals: Anita Bryant was a registered democrat.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=jpaauFUgLuAC&pg=PA293&lpg=PA293&dq=anita+bryant+registered+democrat&source=bl&ots=dx72qZ180e&sig=ZF1oOXiTuSMqomK6NgUOqdnTofI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=n3wDVd-2HObdsATK0oLIAQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=anita%20bryant%20registered%20democrat&f=false
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    Mar 14, 2015 12:33 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidHow embarrassing liberals: Anita Bryant was a registered democrat.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=jpaauFUgLuAC&pg=PA293&lpg=PA293&dq=anita+bryant+registered+democrat&source=bl&ots=dx72qZ180e&sig=ZF1oOXiTuSMqomK6NgUOqdnTofI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=n3wDVd-2HObdsATK0oLIAQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=anita%20bryant%20registered%20democrat&f=false


    This is why I find you rather uneducated, and dangerously simplistic.
    This was an example of liberals purging the dross, without idiotic blind loyalty to one another simply because they are liberals.


    If your Republicans started doing the same (ousting the trash in their midst) they might get somewhere.

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    Mar 14, 2015 12:38 AM GMT
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    mx5guynj saidHow embarrassing liberals: Anita Bryant was a registered democrat.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=jpaauFUgLuAC&pg=PA293&lpg=PA293&dq=anita+bryant+registered+democrat&source=bl&ots=dx72qZ180e&sig=ZF1oOXiTuSMqomK6NgUOqdnTofI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=n3wDVd-2HObdsATK0oLIAQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=anita%20bryant%20registered%20democrat&f=false

    This is why I find you rather uneducated, and dangerously simplistic.
    This was an example of liberals purging the dross, without idiotic blind loyalty to one another simply because they are liberals.

    If your Republicans started doing the same (ousting the trash in their midst) they might get somewhere.

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    Mar 14, 2015 12:38 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidHow embarrassing liberals: Anita Bryant was a registered democrat.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=jpaauFUgLuAC&pg=PA293&lpg=PA293&dq=anita+bryant+registered+democrat&source=bl&ots=dx72qZ180e&sig=ZF1oOXiTuSMqomK6NgUOqdnTofI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=n3wDVd-2HObdsATK0oLIAQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=anita%20bryant%20registered%20democrat&f=false


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    Mar 14, 2015 12:40 AM GMT
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    mx5guynj saidHow embarrassing liberals: Anita Bryant was a registered democrat.

    Registered. That doesn't mean anything.

    And registered when? Bryant made herself a Republican icon, ruining her career in the process. Good.
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    Mar 14, 2015 2:28 AM GMT
    http://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/florida-gay-rights-activists-boycott-orange-juice-1977-1980
    Florida Gay Rights Activists Boycott Orange Juice, 1977-1980

    Time period notes:
    Although the ordinance was repealed in June 1977, Bryant wasn't fired from the Florida Citrus Commission until 1980. The boycott's mission failed, but continued until she was fired.

    Goals:
    Uphold the Dade County ordinance to protect gays and lesbians from discrimination.

    Discredit Bryant's Save Our Children organization and curtail their goals.

    External allies:
    National LGBT movement activists, Alameda (California) County Democratic Central Committee, The San Francisco Tavern Guild

    Opponents:
    Anita Bryant, Save Our Children
    , Jesse Helms and the Congressional Club, Pastor Jerry Falwell, Bob Green

    Influences:
    The orange juice boycott was greatly influenced by the nationwide gay rights movement because it garnered considerable support and grew much more quickly because of the infrastructure provided by the national campaign. The film industry helped the boycott by condemning Anita Bryant and multiple democratic committees, primarily the Alameda County Democratic Central Committee, also gave recognition and support to the campaign.


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    http://willrogersfoundation.net/hall-of-fame/hall-of-fame-members/anita-bryant-dry/
    Anita was a finalist for Miss America, and appeared regularly on such radio and television shows as The Don McNeil Breakfast Club, George Gobel and Dick Clark’s American Bandstand.

    She appeared with Dr. Billy Graham in his crusades, and she and Dr. Graham have the distinction of being the only two people who have appeared at both the Democratic and Republican political conventions.


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    http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/boycotts.html
    The Alameda (California) County Democratic Central Committee encouraged "all Democrats" to take part in the boycott, citing "the Bryant forces' disregard for the separation of church and state."
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    Mar 14, 2015 2:41 AM GMT
    http://gayhistory4u.blogspot.com/2009/08/religious-right-has-been-on-attack.html
    After the repeal of the ordinance in Florida, Anita took her campaign to other states across the nation. Her success allowed her to try to pass the Briggs Initiative in California, which called for the immediate dismissal of any school employee who even spoke of homosexuality or homosexuals in a positive or neutral light. Thanks to many liberal organizations the Democratic Party openly opposed the legislation and the initiative suffered heavy losses during the election.


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    Mar 14, 2015 3:09 AM GMT
    http://www.conservapedia.com/Anita_Bryant
    Homosexual advocates vilified Bryant for her stance, and continue to insult her to this day.


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    Oh, I see she now lives in the Democratic stronghold of Oklahoma. How surprising. Oh well, Miami's loss.

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    Mar 14, 2015 3:51 AM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fred-karger/maggie-gallagher-brian-br_b_824375.html
    I am a Republican with a long and proud Republican History. I worked as a GOP political consultant and advisor for over 30 years.

    I was a senior consultant on three Presidential campaigns, including both of Ronald Reagan's. He was a very fair and caring man.

    In 1978 between his time as Governor of California and President he stood with the gay community on what was then Proposition 6, the Briggs Initiative. Prop. 6 was on the ballot that year, and would have outlawed all gay and lesbian teachers in California. Anita Bryant and John Briggs led that hateful initiative that damaged so many lives.

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    http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/floorvote.aspx?VoteId=15374&BillId=54071&&

    In the Chair: Crisafulli
    Floor Actions: Passage

    N Adkins Y Crisafulli N Hutson N Pafford Y Rouson
    Y Ahern Y Cruz N Ingoglia Y Passidomo Y Santiago
    Y Albritton N Cummings - Ingram N Perry N Slosberg
    Y Antone Y Diaz, J. Y Jacobs Y Peters N Smith
    Y Artiles N Diaz, M. Y Jenne Y Pigman N Spano
    N Avila N Drake N Jones, M. Y Pilon N Sprowls
    Y Baxley Y DuBose Y Jones, S. N Plakon N Stafford
    N Berman Y Dudley N Kerner Y Plasencia Y Stark
    Y Beshears N Eagle Y La Rosa Y Porter N Steube
    N Bileca Y Edwards Y Latvala Y Powell Y Stone
    Y Boyd N Eisnaugle Y Lee N Pritchett N Sullivan
    Y Bracy N Fant Y Magar N Raburn Y Taylor
    Y Brodeur Y Fitzenhagen N Mayfield N Rader N Tobia
    N Broxson Y Fresen Y McBurney Y Raschein Y Torres
    N Burgess Y Fullwood Y McGhee Y Raulerson N Trujillo
    Y Burton Y Gaetz N Metz N Ray N Trumbull
    Y Caldwell N Geller Y Miller Y Rehwinkel Vasilinda N Van Zant
    N Campbell Y Gonzalez N Moraitis N Renuart N Watson, B.
    N Clarke-Reed Y Goodson Y Moskowitz Y Richardson Y Watson, C.
    N Combee Y Hager Y Murphy Y Roberson, K. Y Williams, A.
    N Corcoran Y Harrell Y Narain N Rodrigues, R. Y Wood
    Y Cortes, B. Y Harrison N Nuñez N Rodríguez, J. Y Workman
    Y Cortes, J. N Hill Y Oliva N Rogers Y Young
    N Costello Y Hudson Y O'Toole Y Rooney

    Total Yeas: 68 Total Nays: 50 Total Abstained: 0 Total Missed: 1 Total Votes: 118

    Vote After Roll Call:
    Nays
    Ingram 03/12/2015 08:39:03 AM
    Yeas To Nays
    Baxley 03/13/2015 06:22:26 PM

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    Mar 14, 2015 4:46 AM GMT
    Does anyone have a spare banana cream pie?

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    Mar 14, 2015 10:44 PM GMT
    That backward, blowhard bitch ruined a lot of innocent lives because of her fierce hatred towards people who are naturally different. Her success was short lived though because God made her suffer a major decline in fortune first when the orange juice industry dropped her and than a costly divorce would send her downhill. She was only a flash in the pan but unfortunately she caused some major setbacks by empowering all the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs against us.
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    Mar 16, 2015 12:27 AM GMT
    So much for the power of prayer...

    http://www.saintpetersblog.com/archives/184779
    ...Dennis Baxley, one of the most socially conservative members of the Legislature. Baxley spent several minutes on the floor describing what he called “one of the toughest votes” he had made in his career, adding that the decision to support it came only staying up all night praying and thinking about it. “I believe every child deserves a mother and a father,” he said. But “today I am looking at a bill that helps a child find a home.”

    (so just to recap for the TL: DR's: he was presented a bill; he prayed to his God about it; he voted for it)

    (enter politics religion)

    Matthew Staver from the Orlando-based Liberty Counsel, told the Christian Examiner that anyone who voted for the bill should be removed from office...

    (so what does Baxter do?)

    (Basically he says fuck God and that prayer and reverses his vote to a NO).

    And after the vote on Wednesday, John Stemberger, president of the Florida Family Policy Council, tweeted, “Funny whenever gays are involved the centuries old best interest of children legal standard is completely ignored @MyFLHouse @FLGOPMajority.”

    Baxley said he apologized to Stemberger, who then informed his followers on Twitter on Friday that Baxley was going to reverse his vote.

    “Just spoke with @DennisBaxley. Said he made a huge mistake in voting for gay adoption bill HB7013. He’s changing his vote. #StilltheNorthStar,” Stemberger tweeted on Friday afternoon.


    Proving that the good thing about praying to God is that you can always correct your mistakes.

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