Sex scandal divides Portland and its gay community

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    Jan 23, 2009 11:13 AM GMT
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_re_us/portland_s_mayor

    What do you think should happen?

    The mayor should resign immediately.

    Give the mayor another chance.

    Wait until the police investigation is over and then decide.

    Your own resolution.

    I know that a similar topic about this was posted earlier, http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/398691/,
    but I thought the gist of the new developments warranted another thread.
  • Laurence

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    Jan 23, 2009 11:52 AM GMT
    It's a shame that a Gay man has to lie about having sex with a much younger (but still legal) Gay man to get himself elected.

    However a recent(ish) US president seemed to have trouble keeping his dick in his trousers while in power and then almost getting away with lying about it. So moral standards aren't set very high.

    It should depend on whether he's doing a good job as Mayor or not. And then let the electorate decide when voting next time if he should stay in office.

    Lozx
  • Koaa2

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    Jan 23, 2009 1:03 PM GMT
    The kids name: Beau Breedlove

    Sounds like a name a porn star might take.
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    Jan 23, 2009 1:17 PM GMT
    He received a lot of support from the local community and he completely threw that back in their faces with this kind of reckless and stupid behavior.

    The man's age doesn't matter - he's a not minor - and I regret that the stories are focusing on Beau's age.

    The problem is Beau was a legislative intern. It is abuse of power and relationship and position by a man who should know better. Plus it plays right into gay stereotypes and politician stereotypes.

    Fuck 18 year-olds on your own dime/time and don't act surprised when the people that put you where you are get pissed that you can't clean up your behavior for a few years to get what you want done.
  • Mikeylikesit

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    Jan 23, 2009 1:33 PM GMT
    Uhm.......Exactly.........The "Kid" was perfectly legal. Whats the big issue??...Oh the Drama!!!......LOLicon_eek.gif
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    Jan 23, 2009 3:08 PM GMT
    When I read that, all I could think was "Oops!"
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    Jan 23, 2009 3:18 PM GMT
    Stupid kid.

    He should of at least used his position to gain some cushy job within the city government.
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    Jan 23, 2009 3:29 PM GMT


    This is very confusing.

    Look:

    "It started earlier this week when the 45-year-old Adams admitted to an alternative newspaper, Willamette Week, that he lied during his election campaign when he denied having sex in 2005 with a teenage male who was a legislative intern.

    The newspaper said it had evidence showing otherwise, although it never reported details.
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    What?!? The newspaper had evidence showing he never lied when he denied having sex in 2005?
    Poor reporting. Poor writing.

    "After being confronted about the relationship, Adams insisted he did not have sex with the young man until after he turned 18."

    This is a bit inane - surely someone knows how old the young man is now, and can do the arithmetic to figure how old he was in '05.
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    Jan 23, 2009 3:34 PM GMT
    The entire gay community should be outraged. This man, the Portland mayor, has behaved in such a way that supports the rightwingnut claim that homosexuals are pedophiles. His election as a city mayor should have put us forward, instead it has taken us 2 steps back!
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    Jan 23, 2009 3:47 PM GMT


    Hey Maverick, so WAS the young man 18 or not?
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    Jan 23, 2009 3:58 PM GMT
    Maverick75 saidThe entire gay community should be outraged. This man, the Portland mayor, has behaved in such a way that supports the rightwingnut claim that homosexuals are pedophiles. His election as a city mayor should have put us forward, instead it has taken us 2 steps back!

    Exactly. It's not like half of the Christian right doesn't think that the gays are a bunch of creeping pedophiles, and it's not like the stereotype that gay men are only interested in youth and beauty needs any more reinforcing.

    Thank you, Mr. Portland mayor, for reaffirming everyone's worst opinions about homosexuals.
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    Jan 23, 2009 4:02 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    Hey Maverick, so WAS the young man 18 or not?
    The Mayor said they waited until Breedlove was of age, but then why did he lie about it? Apparently we will find out after the investigation, which will cost Oregon taxpayers how much? But like what andymatic said, he messed around with a legislative intern. Gay leaders struggle trying to portray the gay community as not all about sex, this mayor gets in office and all we here about is his sex life.
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    Jan 23, 2009 4:09 PM GMT



    Yeah, we gathered that from good ol' andymatic's post.

    This reminds Bill of another topic not too long ago about someone's nephew - confirmed underage - and his swim coach and the possibility of the same happening. Interestingly, a lot of guys that posted on that topic didn't seem to have a problem with it - we did.
    Two reasons - age and position of authority.

    Well, the honorable thing to do is step down til it clears.
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    Jan 23, 2009 4:10 PM GMT
    I am sure Portland has rules against City Councilmembes having relationships with interns. He is no longer a member of that body however. He violated no laws, but he is clearly in violation of ethical standards. Other politicians who have done the same exact things were reprimanded by losing committee seats or having the right to interns revoked. I think voluntarily opting out of the intern program would be appropriate.

    The kid was 18. If the religious right wants to call that pedophilia then they can go fuck themselves.
  • styrgan

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    Jan 23, 2009 4:13 PM GMT
    Maverick75 said
    meninlove said

    Hey Maverick, so WAS the young man 18 or not?
    The Mayor said they waited until Breedlove was of age, but then why did he lie about it?


    The public would be against a 45-year old having sex with an 18-year old regardless of sexual orientation or his position as an intern. He probably lied to avoid the outrage.
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    Jan 23, 2009 4:13 PM GMT
    Maverick75 saidThe entire gay community should be outraged. This man, the Portland mayor, has behaved in such a way that supports the rightwingnut claim that homosexuals are pedophiles. His election as a city mayor should have put us forward, instead it has taken us 2 steps back!
    Oh give me strength! That's BS! There NO indication, based on the article, that the guy was underage. The mayor says the guy was over 18 AND the other staffer admits that her editor would publish the story because there was no proof of an underage affair. This has NOTHING to do with his being gay, having sex or being a pedophile, it has to do with his lying. Credibility, trustworthiness, honesty, integrity. Quit trying pin everything on the "rightwingnut" of the world. The most damage is coming from the gay publication that has called for his resignation! Not the rightwingnuts! There are plenty of places where the rightwingnuts should be bashed but I don't feel this is one of them.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 23, 2009 4:16 PM GMT
    I think if the intern was 18 and no laws broken then there is no legal justification for a resignation

    If he were straight and had a sexual thing with an 18 year old girl, I doubt there would be this degree of a "dust up".

    However, this situation certainly isn't helpful in a city and state that has
    been much more open and welcoming to gays and lesbians. The behavior isn't the kind you want showcased each day..... but again, not sure if he should step down.

    I believe in the end, it depends on how well he can carry out his duties. If
    there are issues with perception of this man by the citizens of Portland and he can't be effective.. he may have to go. I'd wait and see what happens.
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    Jan 23, 2009 4:16 PM GMT
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    Maverick75 saidThe entire gay community should be outraged. This man, the Portland mayor, has behaved in such a way that supports the rightwingnut claim that homosexuals are pedophiles. His election as a city mayor should have put us forward, instead it has taken us 2 steps back!
    Oh give me strength! That's BS! There NO indication, based on the article, that the guy was underage. The mayor says the guy was over 18 AND the other staffer admits that her editor would publish the story because there was no proof of an underage affair. This has NOTHING to do with his being gay, having sex or being a pedophile, it has to do with his lying. Credibility, trustworthiness, honesty, integrity. Quit trying pin everything on the "rightwingnut" of the world. The most damage is coming from the gay publication that has called for his resignation! Not the rightwingnuts! There are plenty of places where the rightwingnuts should be bashed but I don't feel this is one of them.
    And where do I bash the rightwingnuts. That fact is, Gay leaders struggle trying to portray the gay community as not all about sex, this mayor gets in office and all we here about is his sex life.
  • styrgan

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    Jan 23, 2009 4:21 PM GMT
    Don,

    Your post raises an interesting objection. Our lawmakers create a specific "age of consent" for their state. The public agrees to follow this. A lawmaker then tests the edge of this law by screwing someone who is just within the legally accepted range. The public would have naturally been upset about the difference in age, so the lawmaker lies.

    I don't think we can hold our public officials to outrageous standards of honesty when the disconnect between our social values as a country and our laws are creating the very conditions that cause them to lie.
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    Jan 23, 2009 4:35 PM GMT
    Breedlove was an intern for the state government in Salem. Adams worked for the city government in Portland. That's a common misconception going around. It wasn't worksite related. However, Adams admitted that the "mentoring" the young man was a cover for the relationship.

    Adams has a lot of work to regain the public's confidence in him, but I don't think he should resign. He is one of the best things to happen to Portland and knows this city inside and out.
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    Jan 23, 2009 4:36 PM GMT
    Has anyone here looked at what he has proposed for the city or what already has done for it?

    When I was living in Portland I met him before and saw the changes he made, including 'our rainbow' community, who gives a shit about his sex life, let it go people.


    We as a community should back him up, not tear him down. Ignorance and hatred are what brings each and everyone apart.

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    Jan 23, 2009 4:39 PM GMT
    CPKinase saidBreedlove was an intern for the state government in Salem. Adams worked for the city government in Portland. That's a common misconception going around. It wasn't worksite related. However, Adams admitted that the "mentoring" the young man was a cover for the relationship.

    Adams has a lot of work to regain the public's confidence in him, but I don't think he should resign. He is one of the best things to happen to Portland and knows this city inside and out.


    That is a very interesting tidbit of information. Thank you for posting.

    However, I am not sure what the ethics laws are like in Oregon. There may be rules that any elected official cannot have a relationship with any intern. Which, even if there is, a minor wrist slap is common and everyone moves on. This whole case smacks of "ZOMG TEH GAYZ!".
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    Jan 23, 2009 4:55 PM GMT
    Here is what I understand the issue to be, from the article:

    Davis of Just Out said she is not as concerned about Adams' relationship with the young man as she is about the lying.

    Should Adams resign because he lied? I don't think so, maybe because I don't normally vote for people--or debate their time in office--based on whom they sleep with. If they were convicted for embezzling city funds, then we can talk about stepping down, because the act actually has something to do with the job.

    At this time 1) the age of the other party, and 2) Adams' intimacy with staff, should not be up for discussion on resignation.
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    Jan 23, 2009 5:05 PM GMT
    Maverick75 said....Gay leaders struggle trying to portray the gay community as not all about sex, this mayor gets in office and all we here about is his sex life.
    I agree with you Maverick on this issue, my point is that the issue lies more with his honesty rather than the sex. If he had robbed a bank and lied about it he would have received the same attention I think. The fact that it's about sex just indicates that in the gay world there IS a lot about sex. Sleeping around is NOT uncommon is it? His problem now is really not about sleeping with an 18 yr old, if the 18 yr old had been an unknown, it would not be an issue but the fact that the position the mayor held gave him power and influence over the city employee and that the mayor went on to lie about it should be the concern of everyone, not just the gay community. Also, I didn't mean to accuse you or offend you and I apologize if I did.

    styrgan saidYour post raises an interesting objection. Our lawmakers create a specific "age of consent" for their state. The public agrees to follow this. A lawmaker then tests the edge of this law by screwing someone who is just within the legally accepted range. The public would have naturally been upset about the difference in age, so the lawmaker lies.

    I don't think we can hold our public officials to outrageous standards of honesty when the disconnect between our social values as a country and our laws are creating the very conditions that cause them to lie.
    I'm not sure that the disconnect btw our social values is reason enough for our acceptance of dishonesty. I full understand what you're saying but public officials and civil servants are in fact held to a different standard because of the public perception. I don't think this guy would have the problems if he hadn't lied but it's the dishonestly that will be his demise. Had I been this guy, I probably would have done exactly what he did so I'm not saying I think what he did was surprising, I'm just saying that, being in a position that DOES require higher standard, I know that the public views certain people to have much differing standards than they expect from their neighbors or themselves. I don't think this is right but they do and when you accept a public position, you know this going in. I think this guy should be given a chance to apologize for the lie and get on with his job, but then that's just my opinion.

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    Jan 23, 2009 5:09 PM GMT
    CPKinase saidHe is one of the best things to happen to Portland and knows this city inside and out.
    So explain to me why the local gay paper is calling for his resignation? You'd think they would stand behind him and try and support his continued efforts, perhaps with a call for an apology rather than resignation. Is there something more I'm missing in relation to the gay community?