White privilege status: CHECKED! White students asked to leave anti-racism event at Ryerson

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    Mar 18, 2015 3:05 PM GMT
    Global News“This is ridiculous and you brainwashed lemmings posting are even worse,” one commenter named Ticklec wrote. “Did any of you have eggs thrown at your house or bricks hurled thorough your windows because of your background? Oh by the way I’m Greek and it happened in Toronto in the 60s. Apparently though I’m privileged. Last I checked no special spaces are open for me to get a job. Bunch of cry babies. Fighting racism with racism. What a joke.”

    Another commenter, named MaddHatter07 wrote “How ironic can you get. But according to the leftists you cant [sic] be racist against whites.”


    http://globalnews.ca/news/1885540/white-students-asked-to-leave-anti-racism-event-at-ryerson/
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    Mar 21, 2015 4:09 PM GMT
    AaronH20P said
    Global News“This is ridiculous and you brainwashed lemmings posting are even worse,” one commenter named Ticklec wrote. “Did any of you have eggs thrown at your house or bricks hurled thorough your windows because of your background? Oh by the way I’m Greek and it happened in Toronto in the 60s. Apparently though I’m privileged. Last I checked no special spaces are open for me to get a job. Bunch of cry babies. Fighting racism with racism. What a joke.”

    Another commenter, named MaddHatter07 wrote “How ironic can you get. But according to the leftists you cant [sic] be racist against whites.”


    http://globalnews.ca/news/1885540/white-students-asked-to-leave-anti-racism-event-at-ryerson/
    Toronto, Canada was a vastly different, more conservative city before 1970. Both Sydney, Australia and London, UK were similar in their conservatism and intolerance during that time.
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    Mar 21, 2015 11:17 PM GMT
    From another story in regards to "racialized" individuals:

    "A round of public furor has centered on Toronto’s Ryerson University after two journalism students were barred from an on-campus meeting because they were not “racialized.”

    First-year journalism students Julia Knope and Trevor Hewitt were attempting to attend a meeting hosted by the Racialised Students’ Collective when they were asked to leave by a group organizer.

    “She asked them if they had been marginalized or racialized, and when they both responded ‘no,’ that’s when she said the meeting was only for those who felt they had been,” said Anne McNeilly, an associate professor at the Ryerson School of Journalism.

    Ms. Knope and Mr. Hewitt, who are both visibly white, had been attempting to attend the gathering as part of a assignment by Ms. McNeilly to sit in on a public meeting.

    “It seemed really ironic to me that the meeting was about racialization and they were prohibiting certain people from entering,” said Ms. Knope in comments to the Ryersonian."

    There is a rather interesting concept in this that perhaps needs its day in courts around the globe. Fortunately 99% of those courts would be in the good old U.S.A., as most other nations do not possess the legal constructs through which "racialized" individuals discriminate against "non-racialized" individuals via the courts. :-)


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    Mar 22, 2015 2:35 PM GMT
    So if you get barred from am meeting because you are the wrong race, could you count that as being racialized? Irony ftw
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    Mar 22, 2015 2:44 PM GMT
    Apparition saidSo if you get barred from am meeting because you are the wrong race, could you count that as being racialized? Irony ftw


    I think so myself. But keep in mind that the American mindset (the liberal mindset) is that one cannot be of color and be racist. Such racist behavior is never called "racism."


    Having said that, I think one of the great hallmarks of the Obama years is going to be the creation of a large portion of American society that sees racism and the band of race hustlers like Al Sharpton for what they truly are: bigoted racist.
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    Mar 22, 2015 3:09 PM GMT


    Well, it appears the white girl is smarter than just about all of you, (btw she and her comrade were going to write up the meeting and put it in the newspaper)

    Like so: 'But during an interview with Global News she said she has since changed her mind, saying she understands why people “want a safe space.”

    “It’s a public space and it’s funded by the school and I think that in a perfect world everybody should be let into all meetings but I haven’t been through the same issues, I can’t say I’ve been through the same issues as racialized students at our school,” she said.'


    As well, a salient point about the two people ousted.

    "It is a space where folks share some very vulnerable stories and are less inclined to share their stories when they know it will be the front page of an upcoming newspaper,” Hoilett said.

    Let's change it up a bit. Imagine a group getting together to discuss their experiences of being raped. No newspapers thanks, this is private sensitive stuff. And very likely, don't attend if you haven't been through it.

    Not unreasonable at all in that perspective.

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    Mar 22, 2015 3:41 PM GMT
    ^^^
    Why are you equating being non-white to being raped?
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    Mar 22, 2015 3:56 PM GMT
    AaronH20P said^^^
    Why are you equating being non-white to being raped?


    I'm not, you are. I'm comparing a similarity in recounting very painful persecution in a supportive environment made up of those who have been through similar.

    Here's another - a group of seniors support group meeting talking about abuse by care home staff. Do you think care home staff should be there?
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    Mar 22, 2015 4:03 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    AaronH20P said^^^
    Why are you equating being non-white to being raped?


    I'm not, you are. I'm comparing a similarity in recounting very painful persecution in a supportive environment made up of those who have been through similar.

    Here's another - a group of seniors support group meeting talking about abuse by care home staff. Do you think care home staff should be there?


    So you're implying only non-whites are victims of racism and whites are always the perpetrators? A more appropriate comparison would be a meeting between rape victims banning white rape victims from attending or a meeting between seniors banning white seniors from attending.
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    Mar 22, 2015 4:11 PM GMT
    AaronH20P said
    meninlove said
    AaronH20P said^^^
    Why are you equating being non-white to being raped?


    I'm not, you are. I'm comparing a similarity in recounting very painful persecution in a supportive environment made up of those who have been through similar.

    Here's another - a group of seniors support group meeting talking about abuse by care home staff. Do you think care home staff should be there?


    So you're implying only non-whites are victims of racism and whites are always the perpetrators? A more appropriate comparison would be a meeting between rape victims banning white rape victims from attending or a meeting between seniors banning white seniors from attending.


    Nope, I'm not saying that at all, although it appears you wish I did.

    Go to China and you'll see racism against other minority races there. It's just how it works. Racism from the dominant race in a society is going to be worse than racism from the minorities afflicted by it, simply by the numbers. Of course there's reverse racism, and you'll see it to a smaller degree, also because of the size of the part of a minority being racist.


    This case is a lot different. If it was a group of Vietnamese talking about being racially persecuted by Chinese, I doubt anyone Chinese would be there, and the effect would be the same. Victims would be hesitant to speak up, especially if it was going to end up in a newspaper.
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    Here's another, a gay support group meeting to share experiences of being beaten by straight guys. Do you think they'll share their stories in front of some straight strangers?

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    Mar 22, 2015 4:22 PM GMT
    I'm not entirely sure who you're calling a minority or a dominant race since 50% of Toronto isn't white and that goes up to 66% amongst students.
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    Mar 22, 2015 4:36 PM GMT
    AaronH20P saidI'm not entirely sure who you're calling a minority or a dominant race since 50% of Toronto isn't white and that goes up to 66% amongst students.


    OK, let's look at your numbers. 50% of TO isn't white. So are you thinking that all those minorities consider themselves a single entity? Erm, no. There is racism among the minorities aimed at each other.

    Something tells me you think all racial minorities in TO are some kind of monolithic entity all working together.
    Feel free to correct me on that.
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    Mar 22, 2015 4:42 PM GMT
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    AaronH20P saidI'm not entirely sure who you're calling a minority or a dominant race since 50% of Toronto isn't white and that goes up to 66% amongst students.


    OK, let's look at your numbers. 50% of TO isn't white. So are you thinking that all those minorities consider themselves a single entity? Erm, no. There is racism among the minorities aimed at each other.

    Something tells me you think all racial minorities in TO are some kind of monolithic entity all working together.
    Feel free to correct me on that.


    Obviously they aren't a single entity and neither are whites, so I still don't see why they should be excluded from a meeting between victims of racism.
    As you said it yourself, not all racism comes from a white person against a non white person so belonging to a specific race doesn't mean someone can't be a victim.
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    Mar 22, 2015 5:52 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    AaronH20P saidI'm not entirely sure who you're calling a minority or a dominant race since 50% of Toronto isn't white and that goes up to 66% amongst students.


    OK, let's look at your numbers. 50% of TO isn't white. So are you thinking that all those minorities consider themselves a single entity? Erm, no. There is racism among the minorities aimed at each other.

    Something tells me you think all racial minorities in TO are some kind of monolithic entity all working together.
    Feel free to correct me on that.


    Obviously they aren't a single entity and neither are whites, so I still don't see why they should be excluded from a meeting between victims of racism.
    As you said it yourself, not all racism comes from a white person against a non white person so belonging to a specific race doesn't mean someone can't be a victim.


    That's right, you're good so far.
    Now then, with that thought in your head, go back and re-read the article. One of the reasons the white people were asked to leave was that neither had experienced racism. Everyone attending had experienced it, and were going to tell their stories. The true test would been if the two whites HAD been victims of racism. Next time. However, next time let's hope any white victims of racism that attend aren't also newspaper reporters.