Too Young to Drive? To Drink? Move to San Francisco, and You Will Be Able to Vote, at Least.

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    Mar 18, 2015 6:52 PM GMT
    This could equally be Bezerkely. The radical-crazy element (about 1/2) of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors (think Aldermen) are pushing to lower the age of voting in the City to 16. What is the logic there? Just as reasonable to allow voting at 14; or at 12. After all, 12 year old kids have opinions just as 16 year old kids do. In response to a respected political analyst stating that the legislation is based on the radicals' belief that most 16 year olds would vote for more liberal or radical candidates, the prime mover, Avolos, called him an "idiot." (This group tried to allow illegal aliens to vote a couple years ago, but sanity prevailed.) The same group recently got a law passed that makes it essentially illegal for a landlord to offer to pay any money to a tenant, to persuade him to leave.

    http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/03/17/san-francisco-progressives-push-for-lowering-minimum-voter-age-to-16/
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    Mar 18, 2015 7:04 PM GMT
    That landlord angle is interesting, since that same Bd. of Stupes, as it's often called, had earlier passed a law requiring LLs to pay tenants a termination fee, designed to "assist them in their search for alternative housing."
    So glad I moved from there over a decade ago, which was itself a decade or two too late!
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    Mar 18, 2015 7:09 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidThat landlord angle is interesting, since that same Bd. of Stupes, as it's often called, had earlier passed a law requiring LLs to pay tenants a termination fee, designed to "assist them in their search for alternative housing."
    So glad I moved from there over a decade ago, which was itself a decade or two too late!

    Yes, they have to pay a termination fee, if they can legally evict them under certain circumstances. But now, they are not allowed to pay them anything to get them to move out voluntarily. It really hurts less-well-off tenant, who otherwise had been using buyout money to buy houses in cheaper suburbs.
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    Mar 18, 2015 8:51 PM GMT
    A 16 year old can drive and work and pay income taxes, why not vote? So you're telling me I can labor in a factory, and drive 60 on the highway operating a 2 ton vehicle, but I can't express my political will on the person's regulating my work environment and regulating my motorways?

    You take my tax dollars, I can tell you (with my vote) what to do. No taxation without representation!
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    Mar 18, 2015 9:06 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidA 16 year old can drive and work and pay income taxes, why not vote? So you're telling me I can labor in a factory, and drive 60 on the highway operating a 2 ton vehicle, but I can't express my political will on the person's regulating my work environment and regulating my motorways?

    You take my tax dollars, I can tell you (with my vote) what to do. No taxation without representation!


    Svn, at the risk of sounding "ageist," you're not 16 anymore. icon_wink.gif
    The voting age was lowered to 18 just after I graduated HS. It was a big deal then and I treated it as such; I've voted in every election since, and all w/o raising a stink about how hard it is to register or to vote, even at my ripe old age of 62. The change came only after years of debate about what the proper age should be, and 18 was settled upon, in part, because that was the age for draftees; my draft number was 8, which explains why I joined the USN shortly after receiving it. 18 seemed reasonable at the time and it seems ever more so now, especially in light of how downright vapid many 18 year-olds, let alone 16 y.o., can be.
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    Mar 18, 2015 11:54 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidA 16 year old can drive and work and pay income taxes, why not vote? So you're telling me I can labor in a factory, and drive 60 on the highway operating a 2 ton vehicle, but I can't express my political will on the person's regulating my work environment and regulating my motorways?

    You take my tax dollars, I can tell you (with my vote) what to do. No taxation without representation!


    I can't say I have ever met more than a couple 16 year olds in my life that I think had the smarts to make wise electoral choices. Most are still irresponsible children.

    6 year olds pay taxes if they have income. So they should vote? 14 year olds operate heavy farm machinery in California. Maybe we should not let 16 year olds (varies by state) free rein to drive a car - they seem to engage in a lot of irresponsible driving. It seems to be illegal for anyone under 21 to drink in all states. If even at age 20, youth are not deemed responsible enough to be allowed to drink (and judging from all the college binge drinking that goes on, that seems wise), we should judge that they have the maturity to vote 4 years younger? I would say no.
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    Mar 19, 2015 3:24 AM GMT
    I think 16 year olds are more likely going to be influenced by their teachers on how they should vote and also they have no experience in the real world. Most 16 year olds still live at home and do not need to worry about things adults have to be concerned with. When I was 16 my political views were the opposite of what they are today.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 20, 2015 12:35 PM GMT
    The City and County of San Francisco is definitely the world hub of extreme leftist loony tunes.