Steroids?

  • Zigs_01

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    Mar 19, 2015 6:36 AM GMT
    Do you guys use it? What do you think of it? Yay or ney?
  • 5100s

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    Mar 19, 2015 1:59 PM GMT
    What are the facts? I know that people tend to feel strongly about this one way or another. Can anybody cite some even-handed analyses?
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    Mar 19, 2015 2:22 PM GMT
    Steroids can have dangerous side effects. They should only be administered by doctors, and used for medical purposes to help seriously ill people. Not for vanity or cheating in sports. Besides, in my country, and many others, steroids are illegal drugs. as they should be.
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    Mar 19, 2015 3:40 PM GMT
    1) they work, they wouldn't be popular if they didn't

    2) they give amazing results much faster and much better (and more) then without them

    3) cocktails with other PED's like HGH and etc. give an even better result

    4) few guys will admit to using them publicly

    5) the side effects like roid rage and etc are usually quite rare and not as sensationalised by media, kinda like they blow up the side effects of vaccines

    6) it does however have some common but arguably not so terrible side effects like increased acne and shrinking of the testes (they will under normal circumstances plump back up once you go off the steroids again), most of the blown up side effects are in cases of abuse, usually thats with competition bodybuilders and not the average Joe

    7) it should be used responsibly and with proper guidance since some side effects can be bad or just inconvenient like breast tissue growth which would have to be surgically removed, or if you have a sensitive liver oral steroids can also damage it further, so drinkers beware, it can also cause some cancers in the colon, so injectables are safer

    icon_cool.gif always consult a doctor or endocrinologist to guide you and keep a watch on your health, under normal circumstances they will have to protect your privacy like with any other consultation by they may refer you to someone else if they don't want to be personally involved with this specific life style you are pursuing.

    9) i dont have anything against the recreational use of it but anyone who uses it and passes off their gains as "all natural" or competes in contests are pathetic since it's sad that they make the sport a "best cheater" event instead and also give false hopes to naïve young people to an almost unachievable goal through traditional methods instead promoting all kinds of supplements that probably barely contributed compared to the steroids

    10) their legitimate name is anabolic-androgenic-steroids
  • ASHDOD

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    Mar 19, 2015 3:48 PM GMT
    i would use, if i had the energy ,or inteligence to know how to use them properly [ and well yes, its also expensive and illigal]
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 19, 2015 3:50 PM GMT
    Excellent summary, Monochrome^^^. The only thing I'd add is if you do testosterone, ask your doc about Anastrozole which blocks the body's Estrogen response (the enlarged breast or nipple sensitivity) and also Finasteride which controls the accelerated hair loss but has its own side effects sometimes. Also, find a doc that is used to all of this and knows what to look for in blood test results because there are some responses that you might not be aware of like a thickening of your blood that can cause other issues.
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    Mar 19, 2015 3:57 PM GMT
    no steroid, no protein powder - love to eat and cook and always happy to eat natural protein ... and lots of workout ...
  • bro4bro

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    Mar 19, 2015 4:40 PM GMT
    robbaker saidMost of the real jocks both young and old are all on steroids .


    I call bullshit on this.

    NFL players - yes, virtually 100%.

    Competitive bodybuilders - yes, virtually 100%

    NBA, MLB - lots and lots.

    But "real jocks" do not begin and end with American pro sports leagues.

    Steroids are common among Olympic sprinters but virtually nonexistent among Olympic distance runners. Some cyclists do (like Lance); the vast majority of gymnasts, divers, wrestlers, boxers, swimmers, rowers, etc... don't.
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 19, 2015 4:48 PM GMT
    Does anyone know why HGH is considered a problem? I don't use it but if it helps the body heal faster, what's the issue?
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    Mar 19, 2015 4:49 PM GMT
    I think he was talking about us... On this website.
  • ASHDOD

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    Mar 19, 2015 4:59 PM GMT
    SamSellers saidI think he was talking about us... On this website.


    so what would you say about ''us'' in the website?
  • PTNoge

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    Mar 19, 2015 5:04 PM GMT
    Hmm... I think monochromeR underestimates the side effects, they are real and much more common than side effects with vaccines.

    They not only affect your musculature, but your entire body. There are a lot of testosterone receptors in the brain. They will throw off your hormonal balance, effecting your pituitary glands, sex drive, behavior.

    They help in the recovery process post-workout so growth would be faster than non-steroid use. Thus, it's common to have stretch marks, because the muscles grow faster than the skin can adapt. However, with proper training and good nutrition, they really aren't needed.

    Roid rage may be inflated, but coming off of steroid use can lead to depression because it has altered your brain chemistry.

    If you are looking to make better gains, seek out a qualified training professional and have them design a training and nutrition program that efficiently addresses your fitness goals.

    As another poster said, with increased levels of testosterone, it converts to estrogen (the 2 chemicals/hormones are related) and lead to feminization of the chest/pecs/breasts and in some cases, lead to lactation. Estrogen blockers can prevent this.

    However, I'd first ask why do you want to take them? Have you tried everything you can in the gym? Do you think the risk of the side effects out way the potential benefits? Are you just being lazy in the gym?

    You still have to work out to get any use of steroid use. It's not a magic cure. As I mentioned, it leads to quicker recovery, which means you can workout more.

    HGH (human growth hormone) also has side effects. High levels lead to cartilage growth--> increasing nose and ear size.

    I'm a big NAY on it. It's just not worth the risks.

    I'd strongly discourage non-professional advice like from MonochromeR.
  • PTNoge

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    Mar 19, 2015 5:08 PM GMT
    To sum up: just the disruption of the brain chemistry is not worth the risk.
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    Mar 19, 2015 5:08 PM GMT
    I'd say a lot are and a lot are not. Probably a larger percentage of users on this website than the percentage out in town as this site caters to the athletic and aesthetic builder types.
    There is no denying that steroids are prevalent in the gay community.
    I don't see what the big deal is. If people keep it to themselves great. Who can blame them? Many people judge and get pissy for no reason but to point fingers.
  • PTNoge

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    Mar 19, 2015 5:16 PM GMT
    HFrenchM saidno steroid, no protein powder - love to eat and cook and always happy to eat natural protein ... and lots of workout ...


    While I agree with the no to steroids, I think you misunderstand protein powder.

    Protein powder (depending on your source) is just the isolation of protein from foods. It's not magic, as you mention, but it is a convenient way to consume protein. For example, whey protein and casein protein are the two main proteins in milk. When you buy them as "supplements" they are just isolated from milk. The research is starting to get more sophisticated and there is no clear evidence to say one animal protein (dairy or others) are superior to others. Whey protein, casein, chicken, etc.. are excellent sources of protein because the milk proteins have amino acid ratios that most mammals need. Chicken, beef, other meat is also a good source of protein because basically you are eating other animals' muscles, breaking it down and building it back up into your own muscles. So, the amino acid ratio in meat is also very good.

    To be anti-protein powder is an ignorant view point. While it's not magic, it's just a convenient way to consume protein.

    However, be careful about the manufacturer and buy GMP products and ones which have been screened and tested to not contain heavy metals or other chemicals. I recommend a protein powder which only contains the protein (no flavor, no added supplements). Combine with water or skim milk and fruit and you have all the flavor and vitamins and minerals you will need without extra, non-effective supplements.
  • PTNoge

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    Mar 19, 2015 5:18 PM GMT
    SamSellers saidI'd say a lot are and a lot are not. Probably a larger percentage of users on this website than the percentage out in town as this site caters to the athletic and aesthetic builder types.
    There is no denying that steroids are prevalent in the gay community.
    I don't see what the big deal is. If people keep it to themselves great. Who can blame them? Many people judge and get pissy for no reason but to point fingers.


    The big deal is that they are not safe and can lead to many health problems down the road. I'm not going to judge someone for using them, just make sure they are aware of all the harmful side effects. Knowledge is power.
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 19, 2015 5:21 PM GMT
    PTNoge said
    HFrenchM saidno steroid, no protein powder - love to eat and cook and always happy to eat natural protein ... and lots of workout ...


    While I agree with the no to steroids, I think you misunderstand protein powder.

    Protein powder (depending on your source) is just the isolation of protein from foods. It's not magic, as you mention, but it is a convenient way to consume protein. For example, why protein and casein protein are the two main proteins in milk. When you buy the as "supplements" they are just isolated from milk. The research is starting to get more sophisticated and there is no clear evidence to say one animal protein (dairy or others) are superior to others. Whey protein, casein, chicken, etc.. are excellent sources of protein because the milk proteins have amino acid ratios that most mammals need. Chicken, beef, other meat is also a good source of protein because basically you are eating other animals muscles, breaking it down and building it back up into your own muscles. So, the amino acid ratio in meat is also very good.

    To be anti-protein powder is an ignorant view point. While it's not magic, it's just a convenient way to consume protein.

    However, be careful about the manufacturer and buy GMP products and ones which have been screened and tested to not contain heavy metals or other chemicals. I recommend a protein powder which only contains the protein (no flavor, no added supplements). Combine with water or skim milk and fruit and you have all the flavor and vitamins and minerals you will need without extra, non-effective supplements.

    I agree except for one thing-- glutamine. Many protein powders contain it and it does help with muscle recovery and isn't harmful in any way. In fact, my doctor insisted I add it after workout.
  • PTNoge

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    Mar 19, 2015 5:56 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidDoes anyone know why HGH is considered a problem? I don't use it but if it helps the body heal faster, what's the issue?


    The problem with HGH it's just one of the many hormones which signals the body to heal/recover. Given in isolation and above natural levels can lead to unwanted consequences.

    HGH strongly supports cartilage growth and can lead to increased nose and ear size.
  • ASHDOD

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    Mar 19, 2015 5:58 PM GMT
    PTNoge saidHmm... I think monochromeR underestimates the side effects, they are real and much more common than side effects with vaccines.

    They not only affect your musculature, but your entire body. There are a lot of testosterone receptors in the brain. They will throw off your hormonal balance, effecting your pituitary glands, sex drive, behavior.

    They help in the recovery process post-workout so growth would be faster than non-steroid use. Thus, it's common to have stretch marks, because the muscles grow faster than the skin can adapt. However, with proper training and good nutrition, they really aren't needed.

    Roid range may be inflated, but coming off of steroid use can lead to depression because it has altered your brain chemistry.

    If you are looking to make better gains, seek out a qualified training professional and have them design a training and nutrition program that efficiently addresses your fitness goals.

    As another poster said, with increased levels of testosterone, it converts to estrogen (the 2 chemicals/hormones are related) and lead to feminization of the chest/pecs/breasts and in some cases, lead to lactation. Estrogen blockers can prevent this.

    However, I'd first ask why do you want to take them? Have you tried everything you can in the gym? Do you think the risk of the side effects out way the potential benefits? Are you just being lazy in the gym?

    You still have to work out to get any use of steroid use. It's not a magic cure. As I mentioned, it leads to quicker recovery, which means you can workout more.

    HGH (human growth hormone) also has side effects. High levels lead to cartilage growth--> increasing nose and ear size.

    I'm a big NAY on it. It's just not worth the risks.

    I'd strongly discourage non-professional advice like from MonochromeR.


    i liked that answer.
  • PTNoge

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    Mar 19, 2015 5:59 PM GMT
    Destinharbor said
    PTNoge said
    HFrenchM saidno steroid, no protein powder - love to eat and cook and always happy to eat natural protein ... and lots of workout ...


    I agree except for one thing-- glutamine. Many protein powders contain it and it does help with muscle recovery and isn't harmful in any way. In fact, my doctor insisted I add it after workout.


    Umm...I might get a new doctor. There is no strong evidence that glutamine aids in muscle recovery.

    1) There are a lot of studies which show that it has no effect on recovery.

    2) It is a byproduct (left over) of a lot of amino acid metabolism.

    3) your body can make glutamine

    4) Any animal based protein will have plenty of glutamine (whey protein, casein, meat). You don't need an extra supplement of it.

    5) There may be some evidence that it might be beneficial in improving performance in endurance training, but better studies need to be done.
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    SamSellers saidI'd say a lot are and a lot are not. Probably a larger percentage of users on this website than the percentage out in town as this site caters to the athletic and aesthetic builder types.
    There is no denying that steroids are prevalent in the gay community.
    I don't see what the big deal is. If people keep it to themselves great. Who can blame them? Many people judge and get pissy for no reason but to point fingers.


    The big deal is that they are not safe and can lead to many health problems down the road. I'm not going to judge someone for using them, just make sure they are aware of all the harmful side effects. Knowledge is power.

    Agreed. Research is the key and while in use constant researching is essential for safe use. Everyone I know who uses are very well educated on the subject and keep up on their knowlage do they don't get complaisant.
    And like all other drugs including food if used irrisponsably unpleasant effects can happen.
  • PTNoge

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    Mar 19, 2015 6:20 PM GMT
    SamSellers said
    PTNoge said
    SamSellers saidI'd say a lot are and a lot are not. Probably a larger percentage of users on this website than the percentage out in town as this site caters to the athletic and aesthetic builder types.
    There is no denying that steroids are prevalent in the gay community.
    I don't see what the big deal is. If people keep it to themselves great. Who can blame them? Many people judge and get pissy for no reason but to point fingers.


    The big deal is that they are not safe and can lead to many health problems down the road. I'm not going to judge someone for using them, just make sure they are aware of all the harmful side effects. Knowledge is power.

    Agreed. Research is the key and while in use constant researching is essential for safe use. Everyone I know who uses are very well educated on the subject and keep up on their knowlage do they don't get complaisant.
    And like all other drugs including food if used irrisponsably unpleasant effects can happen.


    Even used responsibly can lead to harmful and unwanted side effects. It's a gamble/risk, and one has to really decide if it's worth it.
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    Mar 19, 2015 6:57 PM GMT
    I think we are taking different angles at agreeing.
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    Mar 19, 2015 7:07 PM GMT
    In San Francisco steroid use is extremely common. I concur with everything MonochromeR said above. They definitely have risks, especially when abused, and unless you've got them prescribed by a doctor (which many guys do), there's no guarantee as to their purity, efficacy or safety. The side effects are generally exaggerated in the media. Your average gym rat who does a cycle to put on 15 pounds is not going to get severe acne, bitch tits and go on a roid-rage induced rampage. That said, they do have deleterious effects on cholesterol and triglyceride levels and oral steroids can do major liver damage. I think it's an individual's choice whether or not to take the risk.
  • BloodFlame

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    Mar 19, 2015 9:46 PM GMT
    Ah steroids are quite the controversial topic, especially on fitness sites. Anyway, it's obvious I don't use them lol.

    However, what do I think of them? Well, at first I used to believe the hype that they were horrible things for a body and to a point they can be. But after meeting an ex-bodybuilder years ago who flat out admitted he took them, he told me his experience and that of his friends who took them. He told me the ins and outs of them and how they can be used "safely" (his words) and well, since he was older 55 (at the time I met him), he still looked good and no unsightly things. He pretty much said you can't and should not overdo them, that is where the mistakes come in.

    To cut this short, after learning that from him and from two of my brothers friends (they are around our age of 23-24 who admitted to taking them), I don't really buy into the stigma surrounding them as much anymore.

    Should they be used in sports? Hell no. Competing in competitions like non natural bodybuilding is one thing but sports performance is another. Sports should be played fair and square, this includes "natural" bodybuilding contests as well.

    But for vanity and whatnot? Sure, go for it but whatever happens to you is your own fault. Would I take them? I have thought about it but no, I don't think I ever will.

    Do I think users on Realjock use them? You bet, not everyone mind you but I've come across a few profiles where I was curious if they took them. Like others said, most would not admit to it. However, I don't think you'll find the users as much in the forums.