Religious broadcaster Sandy Rios for the American Family Association warns Christians to ‘prepare for martyrdom’ if Supreme Court legalizes gay marriage

  • metta

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    Mar 21, 2015 1:56 AM GMT
    Religious broadcaster warns Christians to ‘prepare for martyrdom’ if Supreme Court legalizes gay marriage

    "Sandy Rios, director of governmental affairs for the American Family Association and host of a daily radio program, did not specify what she meant by that – but her context was clear.

    “Homosexual marriage is going to bring about the tip of the spear of the battle we’re going to face,”

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/religious-broadcaster-warns-christians-to-prepare-for-martyrdom-if-supreme-court-legalizes-gay-marriage/
  • Apparition

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    Mar 21, 2015 3:21 AM GMT
    actually they should prepare for lions not spears
  • tazzari

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    Mar 21, 2015 5:41 AM GMT
    The usual vacuous religious fantasy.

    I mean, after all. look what happened in Canada, the UK, Scandinavia, Belgium... NOTHING. It should hurt to be that stupid, but I guess it keeps the cash flowing.

    Religious far-right Warnings and Want List

    1) End Times. Very popular; turns up about every four of five years.
    2) End of Civilization – even more popular – weekly?
    3) Rapture – new idea (late 19th century) – usually crops up with #1.
    4) “They” are destroying… (fill in the blank. But it either won’t happen, or nobody cares)
    5) God wants… slavery, female obedience, children to be beaten, a revised history curriculum, a plague on evolutionists who will bring about #1 and #2 (Basically God seems to want all the things religious conservatives want, which is nice of Him), the 50’s. And Guns. And Sarah Palin.
    6) Less talk about compassion and love (Jesus was out of control)
    7) God doesn’t want… women (unless obedient), left-handers, Blacks, Jews(who, oddly, started the whole thing), People Who Are Different, everything religious conservative don’t like, the 60’s

    Really folks, that’s a LOT to worry about!
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    Mar 21, 2015 12:37 PM GMT
    Christians need to REALLY read the Bible because Jesus renounced his religion and his Son of Man movement at the Last Supper. Historian Josephus discredited Jesus and Christianity as a calamity. Go to youtube, search WBFbySteefen, and watch the 2 hr plus video.



    No more Christian martyrs and Christians victimizing others--you're not doing it for Jesus.
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    Mar 21, 2015 1:41 PM GMT
    StephenOABC saidChristians need to REALLY read the Bible because Jesus renounced his religion and his Son of Man movement at the Last Supper. Historian Josephus discredited Jesus and Christianity as a calamity. Go to youtube, search WBFbySteefen, and watch the 2 hr plus video.



    No more Christian martyrs and Christians victimizing others--you're not doing it for Jesus.
    Good luck getting this Sandy Rios bitch and all the other narrow minded bible thumping screwballs to read this. They would probably dismiss it as heresy and propaganda knowing these flaky fundamentalists.
  • bobbobbob

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    Mar 21, 2015 1:54 PM GMT
    Sandy Rios' boss, Bryan Fischer of American Family Association has said several times on his daily radio program that the "gay issue will be resolved by ballots or bullets."

    Anyone who doesn't think they are capable of that degree of violence obviously doesn't know much about the history of violence committed by US christian fundamentalists. They inflicted more than a decade of terrorist attacks and murders on the US when they'd exhausted all legal means of repealing Roe v Wade.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States

    They are far more organized today than when they started their assault on abortion clinics and even assassinating people who worked at them.
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    Mar 21, 2015 2:38 PM GMT
    Not to diminish the tragedy of the 8 anti-abortion murders, but it is important to keep a sense of proportion. Eight murders in 15 years does not indicate any sort of trend, particularly in a country where firearms are so readily available.

    Better organized or not (and I'm not sure where the evidence is that they are better organized), these people are not going to be able to persuade more than a few psychotic religious types to take up arms against gay people. If you look at the polls, the numbers against gay marriage in the US are broadly similar to those against abortion, so one might expect any organized, very violent opposition against both to be broadly similar (i.e relatively rare and sporadic).
  • jeepguySD

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    Mar 21, 2015 2:45 PM GMT
    Ah yes, the ol' martyrdom ploy. How repugnant! I don't suppose the parallel that draws to so many suicide terrorists has occurred to Ms. Rios? Or maybe it has.

    Religious zealotry, whether Muslim, Christian, or other, is dangerous.
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    Mar 21, 2015 2:51 PM GMT
    tazzari saidThe usual vacuous religious fantasy.

    I mean, after all. look what happened in Canada, the UK, Scandinavia, Belgium... NOTHING. It should hurt to be that stupid, but I guess it keeps the cash flowing.

    Religious far-right Warnings and Want List

    1) End Times. Very popular; turns up about every four of five years.
    2) End of Civilization – even more popular – weekly?
    3) Rapture – new idea (late 19th century) – usually crops up with #1.
    4) “They” are destroying… (fill in the blank. But it either won’t happen, or nobody cares)
    5) God wants… slavery, female obedience, children to be beaten, a revised history curriculum, a plague on evolutionists who will bring about #1 and #2 (Basically God seems to want all the things religious conservatives want, which is nice of Him), the 50’s. And Guns. And Sarah Palin.
    6) Less talk about compassion and love (Jesus was out of control)
    7) God doesn’t want… women (unless obedient), left-handers, Blacks, Jews(who, oddly, started the whole thing), People Who Are Different, everything religious conservative don’t like, the 60’s

    Really folks, that’s a LOT to worry about!


    We have the same trouble up here, though at a lower dose.
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    Mar 21, 2015 3:18 PM GMT
    There seems some misunderstanding as to the term.

    Generally (with some exception) martyrdom does not involve the taking of the lives of others. Usually it is self inflicted and certainly that would be the case with regard to followers of the so-called Christ were they to be true to their calling.

    So a fundamentalist Christian martyring themselves about marriage equality is not our problem. It's simply one less Christian fundamentalist.

    Pretty much the only martyrs, true to their allegiance, who kill others in the process are shown among those listed below where you'll see some but not all of Islam and some others who engage in physical battle; they might consider that involvement martyrdom.

    But for most religious, it's an inward action expressed outwardly; well, except of course for the Jews who martyr themselves by denying themselves coffee and a bagel the morning. No, I'm not running to the store for you. Sex last night was terrible. And then no one in the house gets a Danish that day even if that means I don't get mine.

    That's what martyrdom is.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/martyr

    1: a person who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty of witnessing to and refusing to renounce a religion

    2: a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle

    3: victim; especially : a great or constant sufferer


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr
    ...somebody who suffers persecution and/or death for advocating, renouncing, refusing to renounce, and/or refusing to advocate a belief or cause of either a religious or secular nature...

    ...In Christianity, a martyr, in accordance with the meaning of the original Greek martyrs in the New Testament, is one who brings a testimony, usually written or verbal. In particular, the testimony is that of the Christian Gospel, or more generally, the Word of God. A Christian witness is a biblical witness whether or not death follows...

    ...Islam views a martyr as a man or woman who dies while conducting jihad, whether on or off the battlefield (see greater jihad and lesser jihad).[22] However, opinions in the Muslim world vary widely on whether suicide bombers can count as martyrs. Few Muslims believe that suicide bombing can be justified...

    ...Martyrdom in Judaism is one of the main examples of Kiddush Hashem, meaning "sanctification of God's name" through public dedication to Jewish practice...

    ...(in Hinduism) Despite the promotion of ahimsa (non-violence) within Sanatana Dharma, there is also the concept of righteous duty (dharma), where violence is used as a last resort to resolution after all other means have failed...

    ...In the Bahá'í Faith, martyrs are those who sacrifice their lives serving humanity in the name of God...

    ...The Sikh Gurus and the Sikhs that followed them are some of the greatest examples of martyrs who fought [25] against Mughal tyranny and oppression, upholding the fundamentals of Sikhism, where their lives were taken during non-violent protesting or in battles...

    ...Martyrdom was extensively promoted by the Tongmenghui and the Kuomintang party in modern China, revolutionaries who died fighting against the Qing dynasty in the Xinhai Revolution and throughout the Republic of China period, furthering the cause of the revolution, were recognized as martyrs...

    ... political martyr is someone who suffers persecution and/or death for advocating, renouncing, refusing to renounce, and/or refusing to advocate a political belief or cause, usually during times of recently installed dictatorship...

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    Mar 21, 2015 3:49 PM GMT
    Maybe she'll set herself on fire in front of a gay wedding. I can bring matches.
  • tazzari

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    Mar 21, 2015 6:08 PM GMT
    bobbobbob saidSandy Rios' boss, Bryan Fischer of American Family Association has said several times on his daily radio program that the "gay issue will be resolved by ballots or bullets."

    Anyone who doesn't think they are capable of that degree of violence obviously doesn't know much about the history of violence committed by US christian fundamentalists. They inflicted more than a decade of terrorist attacks and murders on the US when they'd exhausted all legal means of repealing Roe v Wade.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States

    They are far more organized today than when they started their assault on abortion clinics and even assassinating people who worked at them.


    Well put. And I think we need to remember that the really nasty bombing, etc., in the South really got started when the legal battle was won. However sad, it's also true that a few acts of violence (think of Matthew Shepard)can also crystallize public opinion into revulsion for such repulsive opinions as those of Fisher et al.

    We may be in for it, but it will put an end to medievalist "christian" hate mongers.
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    Mar 21, 2015 6:14 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidNot to diminish the tragedy of the 8 anti-abortion murders, but it is important to keep a sense of proportion. Eight murders in 15 years does not indicate any sort of trend, particularly in a country where firearms are so readily available.

    Better organized or not (and I'm not sure where the evidence is that they are better organized), these people are not going to be able to persuade more than a few psychotic religious types to take up arms against gay people. If you look at the polls, the numbers against gay marriage in the US are broadly similar to those against abortion, so one might expect any organized, very violent opposition against both to be broadly similar (i.e relatively rare and sporadic).


    Thank you, proportion matters.
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    Mar 21, 2015 6:46 PM GMT
    Also, in the post 9/11 world, a nascent domestic terrorist group is much more likely to be disrupted at an early stage than it would have been in the late 20th century.
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    Mar 21, 2015 8:17 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidNot to diminish the tragedy of the 8 anti-abortion murders, but it is important to keep a sense of proportion. Eight murders in 15 years does not indicate any sort of trend, particularly in a country where firearms are so readily available.

    Better organized or not (and I'm not sure where the evidence is that they are better organized), these people are not going to be able to persuade more than a few psychotic religious types to take up arms against gay people. If you look at the polls, the numbers against gay marriage in the US are broadly similar to those against abortion, so one might expect any organized, very violent opposition against both to be broadly similar (i.e relatively rare and sporadic).


    There was much more than 8 murders and there's no indication it's over.

    17 attempted murders,
    383 death threats,
    153 incidents of assault or battery,
    3 kidnappings
    41 bombings,
    173 arsons,
    91 attempted bombings or arsons,
    619 bomb threats,
    1630 incidents of trespassing,
    1264 incidents of vandalism,
    100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").
    over three hundred invasions,
    over four hundred incidents of vandalism
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    Mar 21, 2015 8:49 PM GMT
    bobbobbob saidSandy Rios' boss, Bryan Fischer of American Family Association has said several times on his daily radio program that the "gay issue will be resolved by ballots or bullets."

    Anyone who doesn't think they are capable of that degree of violence obviously doesn't know much about the history of violence committed by US christian fundamentalists. They inflicted more than a decade of terrorist attacks and murders on the US when they'd exhausted all legal means of repealing Roe v Wade.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States

    They are far more organized today than when they started their assault on abortion clinics and even assassinating people who worked at them.


    It would be interesting to know how the fundamentalists responded when they lost the contraception debate. At one time, Christian opinion was opposed to contraception. It was a long battle to make contraception legal.

    Perhaps someone would like to research this.
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    Mar 21, 2015 8:52 PM GMT
    soulman1969 saidMaybe she'll set herself on fire in front of a gay wedding. I can bring matches.


    And the kerosene.
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    bobbobbob said

    There was much more than 8 murders and there's no indication it's over.

    17 attempted murders,
    383 death threats,
    153 incidents of assault or battery,
    3 kidnappings
    41 bombings,
    173 arsons,
    91 attempted bombings or arsons,
    619 bomb threats,
    1630 incidents of trespassing,
    1264 incidents of vandalism,
    100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").
    over three hundred invasions,
    over four hundred incidents of vandalism


    Yes, but that was over a period of about 40 years. To put it into perspective, over 3,500 people were killed in the Northern Ireland terrorist troubles in a 40-year period. That was in a population of under 2 million (as opposed to 200-300 million in the US).
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    Ex_Mil8 said
    bobbobbob said

    There was much more than 8 murders and there's no indication it's over.

    17 attempted murders,
    383 death threats,
    153 incidents of assault or battery,
    3 kidnappings
    41 bombings,
    173 arsons,
    91 attempted bombings or arsons,
    619 bomb threats,
    1630 incidents of trespassing,
    1264 incidents of vandalism,
    100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").
    over three hundred invasions,
    over four hundred incidents of vandalism


    Yes, but that was over a period of about 40 years. To put it into perspective, over 3,500 people were killed in the Northern Ireland terrorist troubles in a 40-year period. That was in a population of under 2 million (as opposed to 200-300 million in the US).


    Good perspective. As far a "American Terrorists" go they are not striking as much FEAR as they'd like. As noted, since 9/11 it is tougher for domestic terrorists to strike also.
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    Mar 21, 2015 9:48 PM GMT
    Another accepted definition of martyr is:

    : a person who pretends to suffer or who exaggerates suffering in order to get praise or sympathy

    That would certainly describe the fundamentalist Christians, who claim gay civil rights are making them suffer. Exactly how they're suffering is not very clear, except in the manner of spoiled children who aren't getting their own way, and their selfish wishes disregarded.
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    Mar 21, 2015 10:03 PM GMT
    When someone makes an issue of led prayer in public schools and tries to get it stopped, he (or she) often receives hate mail and death threats from "good" Christian people who support having school children led in prayer in public schools.
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    Mar 21, 2015 10:09 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidAnother accepted definition of martyr is:

    : a person who pretends to suffer or who exaggerates suffering in order to get praise or sympathy

    That would certainly describe the fundamentalist Christians, who claim gay civil rights are making them suffer. Exactly how they're suffering is not very clear, except in the manner of spoiled children who aren't getting their own way, and their selfish wishes disregarded.


    I doubt that all fundamentals Christians are like that. Surely there must be at least a few who have a "live and let live" attitude. But it does seem that some take it as a personal insult when someone disagrees with them. There is a belief among some fundamentalists that unless they actively work towards making Christianity the official religion of the U.S. and enforce their beliefs upon others, that God will destroy the country. They seem to overlook the fact that in some European countries most people are agnostic or atheist, yet the countries are doing quite well.

    Probably there would be more Christians in the U.S. if more Christians showed by the way that they live and act that they are kind-hearted and love their fellow human beings.
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    Mar 22, 2015 12:19 AM GMT
    Probably there would be more Christians in the U.S. if more Christians showed by the way that they live and act that they are kind-hearted and love their fellow human beings.

    Bingo! Well said.
  • tazzari

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    Mar 22, 2015 12:21 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidAnother accepted definition of martyr is:

    : a person who pretends to suffer or who exaggerates suffering in order to get praise or sympathy

    That would certainly describe the fundamentalist Christians, who claim gay civil rights are making them suffer. Exactly how they're suffering is not very clear, except in the manner of spoiled children who aren't getting their own way, and their selfish wishes disregarded.


    I suspect that part of the "suffering" come from people who either laugh at them or ignore them. It's very hard on the wounded little ego.
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    tazzari saidProbably there would be more Christians in the U.S. if more Christians showed by the way that they live and act that they are kind-hearted and love their fellow human beings.

    Bingo! Well said.



    Yep. And Ms Rios is doing Christian wrong. She missed this part:

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