The U.S. Cities With the Highest, Lowest Percentage of LGBTs

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    Mar 21, 2015 5:04 AM GMT
    The U.S. Cities With the Highest, Lowest Percentage of LGBTs

    The West continues to attract LGBT people in large numbers.


    http://www.advocate.com/lgbt/2015/03/20/us-cities-highest-lowest-percentage-lgbts?team=social

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    http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/people/2015/03/20/where-do-lgbts-live-50-cities-ranked#slide-1
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    Mar 21, 2015 3:19 PM GMT
    the intellectuals in the comments have bumped the lgbt population from less than 4% all the way up to 20%, and all under the infallible logic that approximately 16.4% of the country "just isn't out yet". can't beat that type of rationale with a bat!
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    Mar 21, 2015 3:44 PM GMT
    CODY4U saidthe intellectuals in the comments have bumped the lgbt population from less than 4% all the way up to 20%, and all under the infallible logic that approximately 16.4% of the country "just isn't out yet". can't beat that type of rationale with a bat!


    Duck!

    (because it might actually be as high as 19%. Seems we simply don't know the precise number yet. But we do seem to know that it is not nearly as low as most surveys show and here's why...)

    http://www.nber.org/papers/w19508
    Measuring sexual orientation, behavior, and related opinions is difficult because responses are biased towards socially acceptable answers. We test whether measurements are biased even when responses are private and anonymous and use our results to identify sexuality-related norms and how they vary. We run an experiment on 2,516 U.S. participants. Participants were randomly assigned to either a "best practices method" that was computer-based and provides privacy and anonymity, or to a "veiled elicitation method" that further conceals individual responses. Answers in the veiled method preclude inference about any particular individual, but can be used to accurately estimate statistics about the population. Comparing the two methods shows sexuality-related questions receive biased responses even under current best practices, and, for many questions, the bias is substantial. The veiled method increased self-reports of non-heterosexual identity by 65% (p<0.05) and same-sex sexual experiences by 59% (p<0.01). The veiled method also increased the rates of anti-gay sentiment. Respondents were 67% more likely to express disapproval of an openly gay manager at work (p<0.01) and 71% more likely to say it is okay to discriminate against lesbian, gay, or bisexual individuals (p<0.01). The results show non-heterosexuality and anti-gay sentiment are substantially underestimated in existing surveys, and the privacy afforded by current best practices is not always sufficient to eliminate bias. Finally, our results identify two social norms: it is perceived as socially undesirable both to be open about being gay, and to be unaccepting of gay individuals.


    To the article, the only one that surprised me about Florida is Jax. Though that area is quite large geographically while not being highly populated so maybe the percent just doesn't show like it would in more condensed or higher populated areas. Still, not a bad showing. We are everywhere. Seems I should be able to get a date once I put my mind to that.
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    Mar 21, 2015 4:06 PM GMT
    oh, im sure they'll be claiming 50% soon enough. since we're basing arguments on unknowns, why stop at 20? there are even higher numbers! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 21, 2015 4:49 PM GMT
    CODY4U saidoh, im sure they'll be claiming 50% soon enough. since we're basing arguments on unknowns, why stop at 20? there are even higher numbers! icon_biggrin.gif


    The study I offered for your consideration is by...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bureau_of_Economic_Research

    ...the largest economics research organization in the United States. Many of the American winners of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences were NBER Research Associates. Many of the Chairmen of the Council of Economic Advisers have also been NBER Research Associates, including the former NBER President and Harvard Professor, Martin Feldstein


    Their membership includes more than 20 winners of Nobel Prizes in Economics.

    You'll understand if I give more weight to their words than yours.
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    Mar 21, 2015 5:57 PM GMT
    it's a free country. this isn't my data though. most recognized surveys say just under 2% for gay and lesbian and just under 4% for the full lgbt. the author of this article used 3.6% (which i believe is the nhis survey of 35,000). even the williams institute says 3.8%.

    but surely an experiment based on 2,500 participants as to what could possibly be maybe is a far more accurate and credible measure. thanks for the info!
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    Mar 21, 2015 6:32 PM GMT
    CODY4U saidit's a free country. this isn't my data though. most recognized surveys say just under 2% for gay and lesbian and just under 4% for the full lgbt. the author of this article used 3.6% (which i believe is the nhis survey (sic) of 35,000). even the williams institute says 3.8%.

    but surely an experiment based on 2,500 participants as to what could possibly be maybe is a far more accurate and credible measure. thanks for the info!


    Distracted by your own cynicism about which you seem a tad egomaniacally self-amused, you've missed the point entirely.

    The apparent disparity of those numbers in this case are made irrelevant for practical purposes by their respective methods. In the case of the low numbers, particularly of the National Health Interview Survey, questioning was done in person by a governmental or government-contracted agency.

    The government can openly ask 100,000 people if they suck dick but they will not get the accuracy of asking 2000 people by way of veiled method.

    Here's the study you cited though misnamed it:

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr077.pdf
    Methods
    Data source
    Data from the 2013 NHIS were used to generate the estimates presented in this report.

    Data are collected by trained interviewers

    ...an interviewer meets with respondents face-to-face to ask questions...


    So in this case, you'd not just be telling a stranger, telling the world that you suck dick, but you'd be telling that to a government which only considered sucking dick legal as of recently and has yet to endow you with your human rights by your sexual orientation. You think out of that you'd get as honest and accurate a response as in a veiled survey where respondents have either absolute assurance of anonymity or that questions are even asked in a way that doesn't reveal their true nature which can possibly be embarrassing otherwise? Where's your cynicism now? Oh look, it's shriveled up like a flaccid dick.

    Here's Pew on the Veiled Study for your perusal....

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/09/study-polls-may-underestimate-anti-gay-sentiment-and-size-of-gay-lesbian-population/
    Polls may underestimate anti-gay sentiment and size of gay, lesbian population

    FT_13.10.08_LGBTsurvey.png
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    Mar 22, 2015 2:58 AM GMT
    how dramatic! lol everything you're saying has come from the same two people who even admitted they ran into problems when surveys were anonymous. they also admitted young people were overrepresented and the findings were by no means representative. we all know some people are closeted and sexuality is a self-identification. i'm sure the number could be closer to 5% or 6% tops. as far as 20%, my cynicism is still fully erect. but thanks for the info! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 22, 2015 3:34 AM GMT
    I never thought it 20%. When I saw the 19%#, I know I never had considered that before. My bet's on between the same 5-10% that's been claimed for generations already. Maybe bump that up a notch according to the veiled study.

    As to difficulties of the study, I believe that this might be about the first time anyone has employed a veiled study. I haven't read it in a while but I think when it came out it was groundbreaking in that surveys hadn't considered well enough before what might make a survey more honest to answer with regard especially to sexuality.

    And they know that because of the differences they found when they employed their new method. I've no doubt that will all get tweaked as it's better understood. But for now it certainly brings into question existing surveys.

    And if you could put you cockiness aside for a second, you'd probably see a difference between a veiled survey and telling a government agency with the insurance implications, with no comprehensive anti-discrimination laws in place, et al, about your sexual proclivities. That seems at least common sense.

    As to your cynicism, obviously you have fun with that. But I think maybe as you mature you'll transmute those energies into a healthier skepticism. The former is more about attitude, fun in bed but otherwise tiring, the latter is more about substance which holds interest even after orgasm. In the meanwhile, enjoy your erection.