Foreign gang guns down a bunch of people in gun-free liberal paradise Sweden. Media blames it on whites.

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    Mar 22, 2015 12:43 PM GMT
    This is shocking news since guns are banned in Sweden so obviously the people who did this were not following the law.

    But even more shocking is the way in which media outlets rushed to exempt the criminals from any responsibility and place it all on the shoulder of racist, misogynist, patriarchal, privileged, intolerant white Swedes.

    The GuardianThe tragedy has also shone a spotlight on a hidden aspect of Swedish society that reads like the sub-plot of a Stieg Larsson novel, in which poverty, racism and segregation are driving young men from immigrant backgrounds into gangs and gun crime…
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/20/gothenburg-shooting-sweden-ghettoes-gangs-varvadersligan-klas-friberg


    The LocalThe society has a collective responsibility in that it has failed to take care of problems like unemployment and alienation. The police have handled separate incidents, but have on the whole not been successful in turning this around and have all in all not managed to handle the situation.”
    http://www.thelocal.se/20150319/sweden-has-had-gang-problems-since-1990s


    Then in an amazing display of journalistic rectitude they go on to ensure the Swedish public that everything is under control and these gangs pose no real threat to the population:

    The Localit is never something gangs set out to do intentionally. It usually only happens either by accident or because they simply don’t care if anybody else gets hurt. Gang violence is not the equivalent of terrorism in this respect. Injuring third parties is not good for the gangs’ public profile and makes them appear unprofessional. But firing arms, especially if you’re not trained, are hard to control, so it does happen.
    http://www.thelocal.se/20150319/sweden-has-had-gang-problems-since-1990s


    While these stories specifically mention the Hells Angels, they almost never seem to give the names of any other specific gangs or their background. Courtesy of Wikipedia, here is a rough and ready list.

    Brodraskapet: Native Swedish prison gang.
    Original Gangsters: Assyrians/Syriacs from Turkey – with some Swedes, Poles and Yugoslavs.
    Sodertaljenatverket: Assyrians/Syriacs from Turkey
    Naserligan: Albanian
    Black Cobra: Iraqi and Iranian
    K-Falangen: Albanian
    M-Falengen: Sandzak Bosniaks
    Chosen Ones: Gambian and Somali
    Werewolf Legion: Somali
    Asir: Assyrian/Syriac from Turkey

    Obviously Swedes haven't done enough to integrate these poor souls into their society. Swedes need to check their privilege ASAP.
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    Mar 22, 2015 3:22 PM GMT



    You might read up on racism in Sweden. It has quite the history.
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    Mar 22, 2015 3:38 PM GMT
    meninlove said


    You might read up on racism in Sweden. It has quite the history.


    Indeed only a racist country like Sweden would allow the foreign-born population to reach 15% of the total in just a few years.
    They need to make it reach at least 60% to prove their tolerance.
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    Mar 22, 2015 3:43 PM GMT
    I guess that Stockholm and other Swedish cities and communities are finally facing the harsh reality of their increasingly serious socioeconomic problems. So much for Stockholm being the perfectly safe and secure big major city.
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    Mar 22, 2015 3:47 PM GMT
    AaronH20P said
    meninlove said


    You might read up on racism in Sweden. It has quite the history.


    Indeed only a racist country like Sweden would allow the foreign-born population to reach 15% of the total in just a few years.
    They need to make it reach at least 60% to prove their tolerance.



    *sighs* It doesn't work like that. I think it best to just do some research. Racism is a problem there.

    Here, let's start off slow and easy:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Sweden
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    Mar 22, 2015 4:08 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    AaronH20P said
    meninlove said


    You might read up on racism in Sweden. It has quite the history.


    Indeed only a racist country like Sweden would allow the foreign-born population to reach 15% of the total in just a few years.
    They need to make it reach at least 60% to prove their tolerance.



    *sighs* It doesn't work like that. I think it best to just do some research. Racism is a problem there.

    Here, let's start off slow and easy:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Sweden


    Oh I agree racism is a problem in Sweden. Anti-white racism. Look at their rape statistics: White Swedish women are the most frequent victims of rape and Muslim men commit most of those.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#Sweden
    wikipediaIn a study by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention in 1997-2001, 25% of the almost 1,520,000 offences were found to be committed by people born abroad, while almost 20% were committed by Swedish-born people with a foreign background.

    Since 2004, when Muslim and North African immigration to Sweden expanded, rapes have increased by 500%. At current rates, it is projected that 1 in 4 Swedish women will be raped as a direct result of the immigration pattern. [33]
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    roadbikeRob saidI guess that Stockholm and other Swedish cities and communities are finally facing the harsh reality of their increasingly serious socioeconomic problems. So much for Stockholm being the perfectly safe and secure big major city.

    Their violent crime is just a fraction of any major US city. And guns in Sweden are not "banned" as Aaron claims, so he bases his thread on a lie. Private gun ownership in Sweden is licensed, and restricted to mainly sporting & collecting purposes, which is a common practice throughout Europe.

    The real source of this recent violence is likely an ill-advised decision decades ago to alter Swedish immigration policies. The Swedes themselves are a rather peaceful & non-violent society, despite their Viking ancestry, who don't sleep with guns under their beds like paranoid American Rambo-wannabees.

    But some of the people who entered Sweden brought with them the same religious & cultural conflicts that their own lands have had for centuries. France, Germany and the UK are seeing some of the same. And frankly, as the article claims, Swedish society is slow to welcome outsiders, making the original decision to change immigration policies all the more puzzling.
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    Mar 22, 2015 4:25 PM GMT
    AaronH20P said
    meninlove said
    AaronH20P said
    meninlove said


    You might read up on racism in Sweden. It has quite the history.


    Indeed only a racist country like Sweden would allow the foreign-born population to reach 15% of the total in just a few years.
    They need to make it reach at least 60% to prove their tolerance.



    *sighs* It doesn't work like that. I think it best to just do some research. Racism is a problem there.

    Here, let's start off slow and easy:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Sweden


    Oh I agree racism is a problem in Sweden. Anti-white racism. Look at their rape statistics: White Swedish women are the most frequent victims of rape and Muslim men commit most of those.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#Sweden
    wikipediaIn a study by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention in 1997-2001, 25% of the almost 1,520,000 offences were found to be committed by people born abroad, while almost 20% were committed by Swedish-born people with a foreign background.

    Since 2004, when Muslim and North African immigration to Sweden expanded, rapes have increased by 500%. At current rates, it is projected that 1 in 4 Swedish women will be raped as a direct result of the immigration pattern. [33]


    There's racism in just about every demographic. The largest demographic has the most impact. Think about this.
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    Mar 22, 2015 4:26 PM GMT
    I'm glad you agree anti-white racism is a problem in Sweden.
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    AaronH20P saidI'm glad you agree anti-white racism is a problem in Sweden.


    Good grief, of course it is. So is white racism against minorities, and you read about whites trying to address it. Your real beef is that non-white groups should be doing the same, and you haven't seen it, likely because it's not getting reported by the media.

    This reminds me of the ISIS thing, where all kinds of people were screaming online that Muslims were not protesting against ISIS......except that many were. It didn't sell news, though.
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    Mar 22, 2015 4:40 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidI guess that Stockholm and other Swedish cities and communities are finally facing the harsh reality of their increasingly serious socioeconomic problems. So much for Stockholm being the perfectly safe and secure big major city.

    Their violent crime is just a fraction of any major US city. And guns in Sweden are not "banned" as Aaron claims, so he bases his thread on a lie. Private gun ownership in Sweden is licensed, and restricted to mainly sporting & collecting purposes, which is a common practice throughout Europe.

    The real source of this recent violence is likely an ill-advised decision decades ago to alter Swedish immigration policies. The Swedes themselves are a rather peaceful & non-violent society, despite their Viking ancestry, who don't sleep with guns under their beds like paranoid American Rambo-wannabees.

    But some of the people who entered Sweden brought with them the same religious & cultural conflicts that their own lands have had for centuries. France, Germany and the UK are seeing some of the same. And frankly, as the article claims, Swedish society is slow to welcome outsiders, making the original decision to change immigration policies all the more puzzling.
    Granted it is still a fraction, but crime and violence appears to becoming more commonplace in Stockholm and the rest of Sweden. All big major cities throughout the world have their serious urban problems and drawbacks. Why should Stockholm be any different. That is just fictitious, utopian thinking. Like the rest of the world, Stockholm and the rest of Sweden is changing some cases for the better and some cases for the worst. There is no perfectly safe big major city.
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    Mar 22, 2015 4:45 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidGranted it is still a fraction, but crime and violence appears to becoming more commonplace in Stockholm and the rest of Sweden. All big major cities throughout the world have their serious urban problems and drawbacks. Why should Stockholm be any different. That is just fictitious, utopian thinking. Like the rest of the world, Stockholm and the rest of Sweden is changing some cases for the better and some cases for the worst. There is no perfectly safe big major city.


    Japan has a lot of large cities and they're all perfectly safe, Tokyo included. Even with their Yakuza problem, it doesn't get anywhere near the level of violence in major US and European cities.
  • tj85016

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    Mar 22, 2015 5:21 PM GMT
    I really don't understand why relatively stable countries like Sweden, Denmark, etc with sane population growth even allow immigration from over-populated, misogynistic hell holes like India, Nigeria, etc

    probably economic considerations that the media portray as "white guilt"
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    Mar 22, 2015 5:34 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidI really don't understand why relatively stable countries like Sweden, Denmark, etc will sane population growth even allow immigration from over-populated, misogynistic hell holes like India, Nigeria, etc

    probably economic considerations that the media portray as "white guilt"
    The same question can also be applied to the U.S., why does our country with its prosperity, stability, and large enough population need to keep allowing immigrants from these third world shitholes and they have zero employable skills. The US doesn't need immigration anymore than any of these European countries. It is time for these poor countries to start taking better and more proper care of their people. The whole world cannot be in either the U.S. or in Europe. It is that plain and simple.
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    Japan has a lot of large cities and they're all perfectly safe, Tokyo included. Even with their Yakuza problem, it doesn't get anywhere near the level of violence in major US and European cities.


    Japan also has an ageing and diminishing population. Its resistance to immigration could well be its undoing.

    "With a dwindling population, Japan needs more people like Fan [a Chinese migrant worker] to build and run venues and hotels for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics. The nation imported about 50,000 workers annually over the past five years. That needs to rise to 200,000, according to a Bloomberg poll of 14 economists -- twice as many as the public would accept. To satisfy the demand, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe would have to break down centuries of resistance to immigration."

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-05-27/japan-s-olympic-dream-rests-in-hands-of-foreign-workers
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    Mar 22, 2015 6:01 PM GMT
    ^^

    that's a good thing to have a stable or slightly negative population rate at this point in history instead of that long perpetrated economic myth that economic expansion requires population growth

    i already think the world is overpopulated by about 2 billion people and every couple that has more than 3 children should be taxed annually for every child over that (2 would be ideal, but i'm being generous)
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    AaronH20P said
    Japan has a lot of large cities and they're all perfectly safe, Tokyo included. Even with their Yakuza problem, it doesn't get anywhere near the level of violence in major US and European cities.


    Japan also has an ageing and diminishing population. Its resistance to immigration could well be its undoing.

    "With a dwindling population, Japan needs more people like Fan [a Chinese migrant worker] to build and run venues and hotels for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics. The nation imported about 50,000 workers annually over the past five years. That needs to rise to 200,000, according to a Bloomberg poll of 14 economists -- twice as many as the public would accept. To satisfy the demand, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe would have to break down centuries of resistance to immigration."

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-05-27/japan-s-olympic-dream-rests-in-hands-of-foreign-workers


    Japan's ageing population problem has been a recurrent issue for as long as I can remember as well as their stagnant economy. But Japanese companies still remain world leaders, the country still remains prosperous and living conditions still remains as one of the best in the world. Meanwhile what has Europe's open border policy achieved? A bloated welfare state, severe social problems, lack of integration and a rise in crime. Immigration hasn't solved a single one of these issues for Europe all these experts claim it would help solve for Japan.

    Millions of illegal immigrants are about to be given a path to citizenship in the US. Judging by what these Bloomberg clowns say our economy will boom for the next decades. Let's see how things turn out.
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    Mar 22, 2015 6:17 PM GMT
    Hardly a myth, tj, just economic reality. Japan's population is not 'stable'. It is getting older and smaller.


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    Mar 22, 2015 6:18 PM GMT
    I still haven't seen Aaron retract his misstatement that Sweden is "gun-free", either under its laws or in reality.
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    Mar 22, 2015 6:23 PM GMT
    Given his rather melodramatic thread title (as usual), you probably wouldn't expect him to, Art.
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    Mar 22, 2015 6:32 PM GMT
    no economics is not "reality", economics is politics (that's why the English called it "political economy" before it was refered to as "economics" and deemed a "science" which it is not)

    finance and math are reality, economics is a mutable construct

    only capitalism relies on ever increasing population for it's foundation (another falsehood) - and we've seen how well that has worked out for the most part with 5% of the world's population owning 90% of it's wealth
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    Mar 22, 2015 6:45 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidI still haven't seen Aaron retract his misstatement that Sweden is "gun-free", either under its laws or in reality.


    Guns are only allowed for hunting in Sweden. The concept of guns as a form of self defence is non existent in Swedish law.

    You have to be a member of a hunting club for 6 months to even apply for a licence. The other option is practising a shooting sport or being a collector meaning you can't use a gun outside a shooting range and if you're a collector they can't be operational.

    http://www.sweden.org.za/gun-laws-in-sweden.html

    You are not allowed to use a gun for self defence, there is no open carry and you aren't even allowed to leave it in your car as it must be locked in a safe at home at all times.

    http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/threads/gun-laws-in-sweden.17393/

    Just because you called it a misstatement doesn't make it one.
    Of course unless by "gun-free" you understood a place where not even hunters or athletes were allowed to have guns which would be completely insane.
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    Mar 22, 2015 6:45 PM GMT
    The Japanese government is worried about it. Remember, this is in a country strongly opposed to increased immigration, where the government has absolutely nothing to gain politically from hyping the necessity for immigrant population growth.

    "The government is pointedly not denying newspaper reports that ran earlier this month, claiming that it is considering a solution it has so far shunned: mass immigration. The reports say the figure being mooted is 200,000 foreigners a year. An advisory body to Shinzo Abe, the prime minister, said opening the immigration drawbridge to that number would help stabilise Japan’s population—at around 100m (from its current 126.7m)."

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/03/japans-demography
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    Mar 22, 2015 6:50 PM GMT
    I had always thought that Sweden was a progressive liberal country until I read a book on WWII history that was focused on the politics and economics of the war rather than the usual stuff about the various battles. A World at Arms. In it he talks about how the German army and navy were extremely reliant on Swedish steel.

    I've stopped reading WWII history and these days mostly all I read are mysteries; some of the best are by Swedish authors, e.g., Henning Mankell. Racism, Neo Nazism, and anti-Semitism in Sweden have been the background theme in some of their books.
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    Mar 22, 2015 6:56 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco saidI still haven't seen Aaron retract his misstatement that Sweden is "gun-free", either under its laws or in reality.

    Guns are only allowed for hunting in Sweden. The concept of guns as a form of self defence is non existent in Swedish law.

    You have to be a member of a hunting club for 6 months to even apply for a licence. The other option is practising a shooting sport or being a collector meaning you can't use a gun outside a shooting range and if you're a collector they can't be operational.

    http://www.sweden.org.za/gun-laws-in-sweden.html

    You are not allowed to use a gun for self defence, there is no open carry and you aren't even allowed to leave it in your car as it must be locked in a safe at home at all times.

    http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/threads/gun-laws-in-sweden.17393/

    Just because you called it a misstatement doesn't make it one.
    Of course unless by "gun-free" you understood a place where not even hunters or athletes were allowed to have guns which would be completely insane.

    In other words, Sweden is not "gun-free". Thank you.

    And BTW, gun collecting is also allowed under Swedish law, not just for hunting.