Ted Cruz, a Canadian, Announces Run for U.S. President

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    Mar 23, 2015 2:01 AM GMT
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    NYT: Mr. Cruz underscores his intention to appeal to the Christian conservatives who make up a pivotal voting bloc in many Republican primary states.

    Mr. Cruz, 44, who was elected in 2012, gained fame by trying to block funding for President Obama’s health law in 2013. His tactics resulted in a partial closure of the federal government, a turn of events that made “Cruz” a four-letter word to his party’s leadership but endeared him to many conservative activists hungry for politicians who would confront both parties.

    But in recent months, Mr. Cruz has been overshadowed by other potential Republican candidates in the early competition for donors, staff, volunteers and news coverage. Most notably, Mr. Walker has drawn attention from those interested in an alternative to former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/us/politics/ted-cruz-to-announce-on-monday-he-plans-to-run-for-president.html
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    Mar 23, 2015 2:04 AM GMT
    Has Cruz ever gotten and produced a valid US birth certificate?
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    Mar 23, 2015 2:07 AM GMT
    I don't care what his citizenship is. This guy burns so many bridges, I'm comfortably certain that someone will be eager to dump a truckload of dirt-ridden scandal on this guy as revenge.
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    Mar 23, 2015 2:10 AM GMT
    coolarmydude saidI don't care what his citizenship is. This guy burns so many bridges, I'm comfortably certain that someone will be eager to dump a truckload of dirt-ridden scandal on this guy as revenge.

    Well, his citizenship is a Constitutional requirement for the Presidency (and actually also for the US Senate). Right Wing "Birthers" sure made it an issue for Obama. Are there 2 sets of rules here?
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    Mar 23, 2015 2:18 AM GMT
    There was some news item a week or so ago... he got some judge to make a ruling on the citizenship matter. And he made a big show of renouncing his Canadian citizenship a few years ago. Still seems constitutionally dodgy. Not that I care that much about such gotcha-details.
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    Mar 23, 2015 2:19 AM GMT
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    coolarmydude saidI don't care what his citizenship is. This guy burns so many bridges, I'm comfortably certain that someone will be eager to dump a truckload of dirt-ridden scandal on this guy as revenge.

    Well, his citizenship is a Constitutional requirement for the Presidency (and actually also for the US Senate). Right Wing "Birthers" sure made it an issue for Obama. Are there 2 sets of rules here?


    Why are you asking me? I'm not a birther.

    And Cruz was born a dual citizen. So that settles that.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ted-cruz-how-a-calgary-born-u-s-senator-could-become-president-1.3004730

    What differentiates Cruz from his competition, however, is that he was born in Canada — Calgary, Alta., in fact — to an American mother and a Cuban-born father. His heritage made Cruz a dual citizen at birth. Under U.S. law, being born to an American mother automatically gives you American citizenship, while being born on Canadian soil makes you a Canadian.
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    Mar 23, 2015 2:33 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    Art_Deco said
    coolarmydude saidI don't care what his citizenship is. This guy burns so many bridges, I'm comfortably certain that someone will be eager to dump a truckload of dirt-ridden scandal on this guy as revenge.

    Well, his citizenship is a Constitutional requirement for the Presidency (and actually also for the US Senate). Right Wing "Birthers" sure made it an issue for Obama. Are there 2 sets of rules here?

    ...he was born in Canada — Calgary, Alta., in fact — to an American mother and a Cuban-born father. His heritage made Cruz a dual citizen at birth. Under U.S. law, being born to an American mother automatically gives you American citizenship, while being born on Canadian soil makes you a Canadian.

    No, Cruz was NOT born with dual citizenship. He had a Canadian birth certificate alone. He was NOT issued a US birth certificate, which requires an application through the State Department.

    He CLAIMED his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth. We merely had his word for it, But actually US law requires that she had resided in the US as a citizen for a specified time prior to the birth. That wasn't demonstrated when he was elected to the US Senate. And I'm not sure it has been now.
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    Mar 23, 2015 2:46 AM GMT
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    As to the comment above... Coolarmydude - Do NOT contradict Art_Deco. He's an EXPERT. On everything.

    I'm surprised you don't have a Hyacinth picture for this. That always proves your point, when you have nothing of substance to say. icon_razz.gif

    And BTW, coolarmydude & I are having a discussion, not an argument. I like & respect the guy very much. So you can take your unwelcome nose and stick it someplace else, preferably up your own ass. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 23, 2015 2:47 AM GMT
    I don't see how Ted Cruz can break past his limited base of support with the fringe and develop broader appeal amongst conservatives and moderates.

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    Mar 23, 2015 2:51 AM GMT
    bobbobbob saidI don't see how Ted Cruz can break past his limited base of support with the fringe and develop broader appeal amongst conservatives and moderates.

    That may be an accurate assessment. But these things are difficult to predict, and he's got a big Teabagger support base that extends beyond Texas. If he gets "traction" in early primaries his support could snowball. The primaries are about the base, not the general electorate.
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    Mar 23, 2015 3:04 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    No, Cruz was NOT born with dual citizenship. He had a Canadian birth certificate alone. He was NOT issued a US birth certificate, which requires an application through the State Department.

    He CLAIMED his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth. We merely had his word for it, But actually US law requires that she had resided in the US as a citizen for a specified time prior to the birth. That wasn't demonstrated when he was elected to the US Senate. And I'm not sure it has been now.


    His mother is an American citizen. That is what qualifies someone for US citizenship, regardless if he received a US birth certificate.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/aug/20/ted-cruz-born-canada-eligible-run-president/
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    Mar 23, 2015 3:13 AM GMT
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    Art_Deco said
    No, Cruz was NOT born with dual citizenship. He had a Canadian birth certificate alone. He was NOT issued a US birth certificate, which requires an application through the State Department.

    He CLAIMED his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth. We merely had his word for it, But actually US law requires that she had resided in the US as a citizen for a specified time prior to the birth. That wasn't demonstrated when he was elected to the US Senate. And I'm not sure it has been now.

    His mother is an American citizen. That is what qualifies someone for US citizenship, regardless if he received a US birth certificate.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/aug/20/ted-cruz-born-canada-eligible-run-president/

    From the very link you posted, about Cruz's citizenship:

    "Unfortunately, we cannot say for sure without either a definitive Supreme Court ruling, or an amendment to clarify the Constitution."

    That doesn't sound real positive to ME.

    Cruz may have renounced his Canadian citizenship, but that didn't establish his US citizenship. That's a different issue.
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    Mar 23, 2015 3:18 AM GMT
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    From the very link you posted, about Cruz's citizenship:

    "Unfortunately, we cannot say for sure without either a definitive Supreme Court ruling, or an amendment to clarify the Constitution."

    That doesn't sound real positive to ME.


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    Mar 23, 2015 3:27 AM GMT
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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    Mar 23, 2015 3:44 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    coolarmydude said
    Art_Deco said
    coolarmydude saidI don't care what his citizenship is. This guy burns so many bridges, I'm comfortably certain that someone will be eager to dump a truckload of dirt-ridden scandal on this guy as revenge.

    Well, his citizenship is a Constitutional requirement for the Presidency (and actually also for the US Senate). Right Wing "Birthers" sure made it an issue for Obama. Are there 2 sets of rules here?

    ...he was born in Canada — Calgary, Alta., in fact — to an American mother and a Cuban-born father. His heritage made Cruz a dual citizen at birth. Under U.S. law, being born to an American mother automatically gives you American citizenship, while being born on Canadian soil makes you a Canadian.

    No, Cruz was NOT born with dual citizenship. He had a Canadian birth certificate alone. He was NOT issued a US birth certificate, which requires an application through the State Department.

    He CLAIMED his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth. We merely had his word for it, But actually US law requires that she had resided in the US as a citizen for a specified time prior to the birth. That wasn't demonstrated when he was elected to the US Senate. And I'm not sure it has been now.


    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/politics/ted-cruz-canada-citizenship/

    "If you remember, the Texas Republican was born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban father. As such, he was a dual citizen -- an American because of his mother, and Canadian because the country, like America, grants automatic citizenship to anyone born there."
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    Mar 23, 2015 4:25 AM GMT
    It seems like they should have remembered all this from the hell they tried to make about John McCain having been born in Panama.

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    Mar 23, 2015 4:31 AM GMT
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    "If you remember, the Texas Republican was born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban father. As such, he was a dual citizen -- an American because of his mother, and Canadian because the country, like America, grants automatic citizenship to anyone born there."

    Not true. The mother must have lived in the US before the birth for s period of time. That wasn't established. That's gonna be a point of contention.

    But fine, think what you will. What an irony if Democratic "birthers" now bedevil Cruz. What goes around comes around. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 23, 2015 4:41 AM GMT
    Well, the point of the requirement, whether you think it's valid or not, (IDC, but the Republicans stridently do) is that the President is not supposed to have, or have ever had, allegiance to a foreign country. Which Cruz absolutely did.

    I'd be much happier if there were a debate over his IQ or basic sanity.
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    mindgarden saidWell, the point of the requirement, whether you think it's valid or not, (IDC, but the Republicans stridently do) is that the President is not supposed to have, or have ever had, allegiance to a foreign country. Which Cruz absolutely did.

    I'd be much happier if there were a debate over his IQ or basic sanity.

    Which he would likely lose.
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    Mar 23, 2015 6:24 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    "If you remember, the Texas Republican was born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban father. As such, he was a dual citizen -- an American because of his mother, and Canadian because the country, like America, grants automatic citizenship to anyone born there."

    Not true. The mother must have lived in the US before the birth for s period of time. That wasn't established. That's gonna be a point of contention.

    But fine, think what you will. What an irony if Democratic "birthers" now bedevil Cruz. What goes around comes around. icon_biggrin.gif


    I'm not and never was a 'birther' and I'm not a supporter of Ted Cruz

    http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/03/16/ted-cruz-natural-born-citizen-birthers/

    "Two former top Justice Department lawyers say there is “no question” Ted Cruz is eligible for the presidency, in a new Harvard Law Review article that seeks to put to rest any doubt about the Texas Republican.

    “Despite the happenstance of a birth across the border, there is no question that Senator Cruz has been a citizen from birth and is thus a ‘natural born citizen’ within the meaning of the Constitution,” write Neal Katyal and Paul Clement in an article published March 11. “There are plenty of serious issues to debate in the upcoming presidential election cycle. The less time spent dealing with specious objections to candidate eligibility, the better.”

    Cruz was born in 1970 in Canada, where his parents were working in Calgary’s oil industry. His mother was born in the United States (Delaware, to be exact) and his father was born in Cuba. Cruz has said he didn’t realize until the Dallas Morning News pointed out that he was automatically a citizen of the United States and Canada when he was born, so he officially renounced his Canadian citizenship last year."
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    Mar 23, 2015 2:17 PM GMT
    Ted Cruz is the epitome of SMARMY politician. He turns my stomach. Such an embarrassment to the GOP. I hope his candidacy is very short-lived.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidTed Cruz is the epitome of SMARMY politician. He turns my stomach. Such an embarrassment to the GOP. I hope his candidacy is very short-lived.


    Either Ted Cruz or Rand Paul as the nominee and I would have to consider Hillary or stay home.
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    You know, how he ever got to be a Senator is interesting, and hilarious. He held Canadian citizenship right into 2013, yet Section I article II is rather specific.

    "No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen."

    rofl. Can someone explain this? I remember clearly the hammering Obama got from people declaring even though he was born to an American mother, (just like Cruz), they CLAIMED he was born in another country (just like Cruz) so was ineligible, and there were monster topics blasting him on RJ.

    Unlike Cruz, it turned out Obama was born in Hawaii, making him UNLIKE born-in-Canada Cruz.
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    Mar 23, 2015 4:02 PM GMT
    I watched a large part of his announcement speech this morning. It was from Liberty University in Lynchburg Va, founded by Jerry Falwell, where evolution is banned from the curriculum and teh book of Genesis is taught as science.

    He didn't compose any four consecutive sentences without making an emotional appeal to the people composing that audience fundamentalist protestant christian, anti-gay that would also alienate anyone not in his clique of supporters.

    I wish I had counted the number of sentences he started with the word, 'Imagine...' I feel sure there will be much discussion about all the where he was trying to lead people by their imaginations.

    To his credit, he talked over 40 minutes without a teleprompter or a podium and in that time I didn't heard him once have to stop and correct his own words..
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    Mar 23, 2015 4:33 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco said
    From the very link you posted, about Cruz's citizenship:

    "Unfortunately, we cannot say for sure without either a definitive Supreme Court ruling, or an amendment to clarify the Constitution."

    That doesn't sound real positive to ME.


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    ^+1! See what happens when you view the world thru Prada-labeled glasses?

    Cruz is a very smart man, but his manner reminds me of Sen. Joseph McCarthy's, and his positions on abortion and gay rights are as unrealistic as they are mean-spirited. He's right on many other things, but these three factors prevent me from supporting him.