Seattle’s $15 Min. Wage Is Making Something Happen That City Leaders Never Expected

  • bobbobbob

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    Mar 23, 2015 4:07 AM GMT
    They are already having businesses close ahead of the minimum wage increase.

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/15-minimum-wage-looms-seattle-restaurants-close-doors/#ZHMOP4G25CybSgfD.99

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    Mar 23, 2015 4:10 AM GMT
    Local Facts No Match for National Fiction on $15 Minimum-Wage Issue
    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/local-facts-no-match-for-national-fiction-on-15-minimum-wage-issue/

    The State of Washington Republicans have been spreading lies about Seattle's minimum wage. The Seattle Times a major local newspaper which is owned by a Republican family dispels the fiction.
  • musclmed

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    Mar 23, 2015 6:17 AM GMT
    Sounds nice and all. But Seattle is a finite area. If you raise the wage artificially to 15 outside of a market force people from outside start to become willing to travel in.

    Most of those people maybe even better trained workers, ( better skills , training etc.) A high school grad may never even get a chance in Seattle. Because a college grad will take the job first.

    So now you have workers from outside Seattle who will displace workers who are in Seattle.

    And the 15 dollars an hour leaves the city, and is spent mostly outside the city.

    The minimum wage raise is always a gimmick. It never lifts anyone out of poverty or class.
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    Mar 23, 2015 12:48 PM GMT
    I've always loved the zero-sum game played by Republican anti-minimum wage increase supporters.

    "If you raise the minimum wage, companies will be *forced* to cut jobs to compensate"

    Really?
    Really?

    Every *single* employer in the US...including multi-billion-dollar profit making ones like Walmart, McDonalds, *any* Oil company, etc, is teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and will be forced to close if they give their employees a wage that they can live on.


    *RIGHT*

    Get the annual corporate report from any of these companies...and do the math. Take the % of operating costs due to salary - correct for the increase in minimum wage, and see how much money they are losing.

    Oh- NONE? They aren't losing money? They are *making* a profit, just a *smaller* one...but still a profit?

    And now their employees actually have money they can *spend* on something other than the bare necessities of life? Which will increase sales overall for companies?

    How *exactly* is this a bad thing?

    I've never understood how "making less profit" somehow became synonymous with "must cut costs" - just make less profit! When your greed-driven shareholders squawk that their returns are lower - money they get for doing nothing but having bought shares - point out that in the long-run, it's better for your employees to have their *own* money than have to support them with tax-funded government assistance programs with typically run with a built-in overhead cost (because it's government) of something like 40%.

    Sigh...
  • OutdoorAdvent...

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    Mar 23, 2015 2:55 PM GMT
    OutdoorAdventurist said
    bobbobbob saidThey are already having businesses close ahead of the minimum wage increase.

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/15-minimum-wage-looms-seattle-restaurants-close-doors/#ZHMOP4G25CybSgfD.99

    If employers can't afford to pay their employees wages on which they can live, I don't see the problem with their (exploitative) businesses closing. People who work full time should not be living in poverty. Businesses that keep them there should not be in business.
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    Mar 23, 2015 7:26 PM GMT
    Huh?

    The Seattle Minimum wage doesn't start until April 1st so its too early to determine its effect.
  • KissTheSky

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    Mar 24, 2015 1:30 AM GMT
    More Republican lies to support their policies that harm working people. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Republican politicians want to do away with minimum wages altogether. Their reasoning: If a billionaire wants to pay you $1.00/hour, he should be able to. After all, how is he supposed to afford his third yacht and his 9th vacation home? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    The GOP is the party for making wages even lower, and making the working poor even worse off.
    Another reason to vote every last one of them out of office.
  • Svnw688

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    Mar 24, 2015 1:57 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidMore Republican lies to support their policies that harm working people. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Republican politicians want to do away with minimum wages altogether. Their reasoning: If a billionaire wants to pay you $1.00/hour, he should be able to. After all, how is he supposed to afford his third yacht and his 9th vacation home? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    The GOP is the party for making wages even lower, and making the working poor even worse off.
    Another reason to vote every last one of them out of office.


    Agreed.

    Their other nefarious tactic is to union bust as some kind of infringement on "personal liberty." What liberty? The liberty to work for 2 dollars an hour (minimum wage), suffer injuries on the job (OSHA), and get fired simply because you're gay, or black, or female (Title VII/local LGBT protections)?

    Yeah, some liberty. If you can't afford to pay your workers, close up shop. Let the market correct itself. Trust me, another company will take over market share, expand, and post "help wanted" signs paying a REAL living wage.
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    Mar 24, 2015 6:45 AM GMT
    On his first assembly line didn't Henry Ford say something like "I'm going to pay fair wages so that my employees can buy my cars" His employees wages were a lot higher than anybody else's.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 24, 2015 10:49 PM GMT
    OutdoorAdventurist said
    OutdoorAdventurist said
    bobbobbob saidThey are already having businesses close ahead of the minimum wage increase.

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/15-minimum-wage-looms-seattle-restaurants-close-doors/#ZHMOP4G25CybSgfD.99

    If employers can't afford to pay their employees wages on which they can live, I don't see the problem with their (exploitative) businesses closing. People who work full time should not be living in poverty. Businesses that keep them there should not be in business.
    This I agree with 100%. If these shareholders and executives can make billions every year, there is no legitimate reason why a sizable chunk of that profit cannot go to the workers since it was the little people who worked hard and earned that profit for these ungrateful, greedy, rich bastards.