The Last Sane Liberal

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    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/21/the-last-sane-liberal.html
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    Mar 23, 2015 12:08 PM GMT
    Good read.
    One of the main reasons I left the D party years ago. Or rather, they left me with their blame america, blame men, blame whitey stance on everything!
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    StudlyScrewRite said Good read.
    One of the main reasons I left the D party years ago. Or rather, they left me with their blame america, blame men, blame whitey stance on everything!
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    Our days must be filled with valuable online pontification in order to give us any meaning whatsoever.
    Yeah, PATHETIC!
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    Mar 23, 2015 1:18 PM GMT
    "The New Deal-based, rational, problem-solving liberalism he believed in had spawned a fanatic, self-righteous, nihilistic, and libertine identity-driven aberration."

    Translation: Imagine the chutzpah of people wanting to control their own bodies, their own sex lives, and no longer willing to be second-class participants in society. The fucking nerve of them!

    This article is whiny hogwash from a right-winger who dreams of the days when WASPs controlled everything and the rest of us were supposed to sit down and shut up. Amazing.
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    Mar 23, 2015 2:00 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Sharkspeare said[/cite]"The New Deal-based, rational, problem-solving liberalism he believed in had spawned a fanatic, self-righteous, nihilistic, and libertine identity-driven aberration."

    Translation: Imagine the chutzpah of people wanting to control their own bodies, their own sex lives, and no longer willing to be second-class participants in society. The fucking nerve of them!

    I'm forced to buy " health" insurance from a private, for profit cooperation for more than 9% of my income? How is that freedom to control my body?
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    Sharkspeare said"The New Deal-based, rational, problem-solving liberalism he believed in had spawned a fanatic, self-righteous, nihilistic, and libertine identity-driven aberration."

    Translation: Imagine the chutzpah of people wanting to control their own bodies, their own sex lives, and no longer willing to be second-class participants in society. The fucking nerve of them!

    This article is whiny hogwash from a right-winger who dreams of the days when WASPs controlled everything and the rest of us were supposed to sit down and shut up. Amazing.

    +1

    Only someone with a fascist, oppressive mind like freedomisntfree would find that crap commendable. Which, BTW, is mostly a misrepresentation of what Moynihan stood for. Though he could be a loose cannon at times.icon_razz.gif
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    Sharkspeare said"The New Deal-based, rational, problem-solving liberalism he believed in had spawned a fanatic, self-righteous, nihilistic, and libertine identity-driven aberration."

    Translation: Imagine the chutzpah of people wanting to control their own bodies, their own sex lives, and no longer willing to be second-class participants in society. The fucking nerve of them!

    This article is whiny hogwash from a right-winger who dreams of the days when WASPs controlled everything and the rest of us were supposed to sit down and shut up. Amazing.

    +1

    Only someone with a fascist, oppressive mind like freedomisntfree would find that crap commendable. Which, BTW, is mostly a misrepresentation of what Moynihan stood for. Though he could be a loose cannon at times.icon_razz.gif


    Hey Bobby, you despicable drunk, I guess you're looking for your fight of the day? Or is it just another bloody mary morning?

    (And notice once again who starts the personal attacks)

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    Mar 23, 2015 3:32 PM GMT
    I'm always amazed how these political threads turn into another instance of member bashing... it just seems to go on and on. Why can't we just say, I disagree and give a reasonable discussion as to why.

    I have no doubt we could find an article entitled, "The last sane conservative" if we looked (no doubt).

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    HndsmKansan saidI'm always amazed how these political threads turn into another instance of member bashing... it just seems to go on and on. Why can't we just say, I disagree and give a reasonable discussion as to why.

    I have no doubt we could find an article entitled, "The last sane conservative" if we looked (no doubt).



    "find an article entitled, The last sane conservative" if we looked"

    without a doubt

    And you notice who almost always starts it with the name calling and personal attacks?

    "Only someone with a fascist, oppressive mind like freedomisntfree would find that crap commendable"
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    HndsmKansan saidI'm always amazed how these political threads turn into another instance of member bashing... it just seems to go on and on. Why can't we just say, I disagree and give a reasonable discussion as to why.

    I have no doubt we could find an article entitled, "The last sane conservative" if we looked (no doubt).



    "Why can't we just say, I disagree and give a reasonable discussion as to why."

    That's all I ask for.
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    Sharkspeare said"The New Deal-based, rational, problem-solving liberalism he believed in had spawned a fanatic, self-righteous, nihilistic, and libertine identity-driven aberration."

    Translation: Imagine the chutzpah of people wanting to control their own bodies, their own sex lives, and no longer willing to be second-class participants in society. The fucking nerve of them!

    This article is whiny hogwash from a right-winger who dreams of the days when WASPs controlled everything and the rest of us were supposed to sit down and shut up. Amazing.

    +1

    Only someone with a fascist, oppressive mind like freedomisntfree would find that crap commendable. Which, BTW, is mostly a misrepresentation of what Moynihan stood for. Though he could be a loose cannon at times.icon_razz.gif


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    Art_Deco said
    Sharkspeare said"The New Deal-based, rational, problem-solving liberalism he believed in had spawned a fanatic, self-righteous, nihilistic, and libertine identity-driven aberration."

    Translation: Imagine the chutzpah of people wanting to control their own bodies, their own sex lives, and no longer willing to be second-class participants in society. The fucking nerve of them!

    This article is whiny hogwash from a right-winger who dreams of the days when WASPs controlled everything and the rest of us were supposed to sit down and shut up. Amazing.

    +1

    Only someone with a fascist, oppressive mind like freedomisntfree would find that crap commendable. Which, BTW, is mostly a misrepresentation of what Moynihan stood for. Though he could be a loose cannon at times.icon_razz.gif

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    "whiny hogwash from a right-winger"

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/contributors/gil-troy.html

    I didn't read any of these, but I didn't see much here from the titles that would lead me to believe that this Gil Troy is a "right winger"
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    Mar 23, 2015 4:16 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Hey Bobby, you despicable drunk, I guess you're looking for your fight of the day? Or is it just another bloody mary morning?

    The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a "despicable" drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy.

    Well, your politics here are still Fascist. And whether I'm a drunk or not (I'm not, ask the RJers who've met me), your Fascist political views remain.

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    freedomisntfree said
    Hey Bobby, you despicable drunk, I guess you're looking for your fight of the day? Or is it just another bloody mary morning?

    The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy.

    Well, your politics here are still Fascist. And whether I'm a drunk or not (I'm not, ask the RJers who have met me), your Fascist political views remain.

    Sorry. icon_razz.gif



    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy"

    "Only someone with a fascist, oppressive mind like freedomisntfree would find that crap commendable"

    So I suppose this makes you a real classy guy?

    You whine on and on both on RJ and on the phone about the personal attacks aimed your direction so if you really seriously don't like it, then don't do it .... as you just did above again.

    Easy peasy isn't it?
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    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Hey Bobby, you despicable drunk, I guess you're looking for your fight of the day? Or is it just another bloody mary morning?

    The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy.

    Well, your politics here are still Fascist. And whether I'm a drunk or not (I'm not, ask the RJers who have met me), your Fascist political views remain.

    Sorry. icon_razz.gif

    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy"

    "Only someone with a fascist, oppressive mind like freedomisntfree would find that crap commendable"

    So I suppose this makes you a real classy guy?

    You whine on and on both on RJ and on the phone about the personal attacks aimed your direction so if you really seriously don't like it, then don't do it .... as you just did above again.

    Easy peasy isn't it?

    You gave me an idea - maybe we should speak on the phone. I dislike this fighting, too. I've gotta go out now and run some errands, see some friends, but maybe later?
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    Mar 23, 2015 4:33 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Hey Bobby, you despicable drunk, I guess you're looking for your fight of the day? Or is it just another bloody mary morning?

    The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy.

    Well, your politics here are still Fascist. And whether I'm a drunk or not (I'm not, ask the RJers who have met me), your Fascist political views remain.

    Sorry. icon_razz.gif

    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy"

    "Only someone with a fascist, oppressive mind like freedomisntfree would find that crap commendable"

    So I suppose this makes you a real classy guy?

    You whine on and on both on RJ and on the phone about the personal attacks aimed your direction so if you really seriously don't like it, then don't do it .... as you just did above again.

    Easy peasy isn't it?

    You gave me an idea - maybe we should speak on the phone. I dislike this fighting, too. I've gotta go out now and run some errands, see some friends, but maybe later?


    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk."

    And besides Bob, you called yourself a drunk (don't make me do it again).

    "I dislike this fighting, too."

    GOOD ... happy to hear it. Then stop starting these fights all the time .... and no, it isn't just with me.
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    Nothing at all wrong with disagreeing. It's some of the reason that RJ and just about every other online forum exists, but try to learn to do it without personal attacks and name calling.
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    Mar 23, 2015 4:43 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidI'm always amazed how these political threads turn into another instance of member bashing... it just seems to go on and on. Why can't we just say, I disagree and give a reasonable discussion as to why.

    I have no doubt we could find an article entitled, "The last sane conservative" if we looked (no doubt).


    Hmmm, that got me thinking. A few names come to mind:

    Ronald Reagan, until he developed Alzheimer's;
    George H.W. Bush;
    DD Eisenhower, he of "the military-industrial complex;"
    Former WI Gov. Tommy Thompson.

    Anyone else?

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    Mar 23, 2015 4:44 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Hey Bobby, you despicable drunk, I guess you're looking for your fight of the day? Or is it just another bloody mary morning?

    The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy.

    Well, your politics here are still Fascist. And whether I'm a drunk or not (I'm not, ask the RJers who have met me), your Fascist political views remain.

    Sorry. icon_razz.gif

    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy"

    "Only someone with a fascist, oppressive mind like freedomisntfree would find that crap commendable"

    So I suppose this makes you a real classy guy?

    You whine on and on both on RJ and on the phone about the personal attacks aimed your direction so if you really seriously don't like it, then don't do it .... as you just did above again.

    Easy peasy isn't it?

    You gave me an idea - maybe we should speak on the phone. I dislike this fighting, too. I've gotta go out now and run some errands, see some friends, but maybe later?


    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk."

    And besides Bob, you called yourself a drunk (don't make me do it again).

    "I dislike this fighting, too."

    GOOD ... happy to hear it. Then stop starting these fights all the time .... and no, it isn't just with me.


    You called it right, fif. But, I'd screen my calls if I were you!icon_cool.gif
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    Mar 23, 2015 4:56 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Hey Bobby, you despicable drunk, I guess you're looking for your fight of the day? Or is it just another bloody mary morning?

    The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy.

    Well, your politics here are still Fascist. And whether I'm a drunk or not (I'm not, ask the RJers who have met me), your Fascist political views remain.

    Sorry. icon_razz.gif

    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy"

    "Only someone with a fascist, oppressive mind like freedomisntfree would find that crap commendable"

    So I suppose this makes you a real classy guy?

    You whine on and on both on RJ and on the phone about the personal attacks aimed your direction so if you really seriously don't like it, then don't do it .... as you just did above again.

    Easy peasy isn't it?

    You gave me an idea - maybe we should speak on the phone. I dislike this fighting, too. I've gotta go out now and run some errands, see some friends, but maybe later?


    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk."

    And besides Bob, you called yourself a drunk (don't make me do it again).

    "I dislike this fighting, too."

    GOOD ... happy to hear it. Then stop starting these fights all the time .... and no, it isn't just with me.


    You called it right, fif. But, I'd screen my calls if I were you!icon_cool.gif


    We see the same pattern over and over and over.

    I'll talk to him, but not 366 minutes like the first time he called or 163 minutes the second.

    I'm reasonable person (in my own mind of course), and I learned way back in the 7th and 8th grade what you have to do with bullies.

    I don't have time to respond each and every time he does what he does, but occasionally I will.
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    Mar 23, 2015 4:59 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    MGINSD said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Hey Bobby, you despicable drunk, I guess you're looking for your fight of the day? Or is it just another bloody mary morning?

    The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy.

    Well, your politics here are still Fascist. And whether I'm a drunk or not (I'm not, ask the RJers who have met me), your Fascist political views remain.

    Sorry. icon_razz.gif

    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy"

    "Only someone with a fascist, oppressive mind like freedomisntfree would find that crap commendable"

    So I suppose this makes you a real classy guy?

    You whine on and on both on RJ and on the phone about the personal attacks aimed your direction so if you really seriously don't like it, then don't do it .... as you just did above again.

    Easy peasy isn't it?

    You gave me an idea - maybe we should speak on the phone. I dislike this fighting, too. I've gotta go out now and run some errands, see some friends, but maybe later?


    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk."

    And besides Bob, you called yourself a drunk (don't make me do it again).

    "I dislike this fighting, too."

    GOOD ... happy to hear it. Then stop starting these fights all the time .... and no, it isn't just with me.


    You called it right, fif. But, I'd screen my calls if I were you!icon_cool.gif


    We see the same pattern over and over and over.

    I'll talk to him, but not 366 minutes like the first time he called or 163 minutes the second.

    I'm reasonable person (in my own mind of course), and I learned way back in the 7th and 8th grade what you have to do with bullies.

    I don't have time to respond each and every time he does what he does, but occasionally I will.


    YUK! But then, I'm not a phone fan. 6 hours or 2, time NOT well spent!
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    Mar 23, 2015 5:07 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    freedomisntfree said
    MGINSD said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Hey Bobby, you despicable drunk, I guess you're looking for your fight of the day? Or is it just another bloody mary morning?

    The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy.

    Well, your politics here are still Fascist. And whether I'm a drunk or not (I'm not, ask the RJers who have met me), your Fascist political views remain.

    Sorry. icon_razz.gif

    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy"

    "Only someone with a fascist, oppressive mind like freedomisntfree would find that crap commendable"

    So I suppose this makes you a real classy guy?

    You whine on and on both on RJ and on the phone about the personal attacks aimed your direction so if you really seriously don't like it, then don't do it .... as you just did above again.

    Easy peasy isn't it?

    You gave me an idea - maybe we should speak on the phone. I dislike this fighting, too. I've gotta go out now and run some errands, see some friends, but maybe later?


    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk."

    And besides Bob, you called yourself a drunk (don't make me do it again).

    "I dislike this fighting, too."

    GOOD ... happy to hear it. Then stop starting these fights all the time .... and no, it isn't just with me.


    You called it right, fif. But, I'd screen my calls if I were you!icon_cool.gif


    We see the same pattern over and over and over.

    I'll talk to him, but not 366 minutes like the first time he called or 163 minutes the second.

    I'm reasonable person (in my own mind of course), and I learned way back in the 7th and 8th grade what you have to do with bullies.

    I don't have time to respond each and every time he does what he does, but occasionally I will.


    YUK! But then, I'm not a phone fan. 6 hours or 2, time NOT well spent!


    Using headset to talk with him while also detailing my car. So the time wasn't a complete waste.
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    Mar 23, 2015 5:18 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    MGINSD said
    freedomisntfree said
    MGINSD said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Hey Bobby, you despicable drunk, I guess you're looking for your fight of the day? Or is it just another bloody mary morning?

    The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy.

    Well, your politics here are still Fascist. And whether I'm a drunk or not (I'm not, ask the RJers who have met me), your Fascist political views remain.

    Sorry. icon_razz.gif

    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy"

    "Only someone with a fascist, oppressive mind like freedomisntfree would find that crap commendable"

    So I suppose this makes you a real classy guy?

    You whine on and on both on RJ and on the phone about the personal attacks aimed your direction so if you really seriously don't like it, then don't do it .... as you just did above again.

    Easy peasy isn't it?

    You gave me an idea - maybe we should speak on the phone. I dislike this fighting, too. I've gotta go out now and run some errands, see some friends, but maybe later?


    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk."

    And besides Bob, you called yourself a drunk (don't make me do it again).

    "I dislike this fighting, too."

    GOOD ... happy to hear it. Then stop starting these fights all the time .... and no, it isn't just with me.


    You called it right, fif. But, I'd screen my calls if I were you!icon_cool.gif


    We see the same pattern over and over and over.

    I'll talk to him, but not 366 minutes like the first time he called or 163 minutes the second.

    I'm reasonable person (in my own mind of course), and I learned way back in the 7th and 8th grade what you have to do with bullies.

    I don't have time to respond each and every time he does what he does, but occasionally I will.


    YUK! But then, I'm not a phone fan. 6 hours or 2, time NOT well spent!


    Using headset to talk with him while also detailing my car. So the time wasn't a complete waste.


    Were you using Turtle Wax? You need a hard shell finish for that one!
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    Mar 23, 2015 5:27 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    freedomisntfree said
    MGINSD said
    freedomisntfree said
    MGINSD said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Hey Bobby, you despicable drunk, I guess you're looking for your fight of the day? Or is it just another bloody mary morning?

    The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy.

    Well, your politics here are still Fascist. And whether I'm a drunk or not (I'm not, ask the RJers who have met me), your Fascist political views remain.

    Sorry. icon_razz.gif

    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk. And mocking his name, the mark of a real classy guy"

    "Only someone with a fascist, oppressive mind like freedomisntfree would find that crap commendable"

    So I suppose this makes you a real classy guy?

    You whine on and on both on RJ and on the phone about the personal attacks aimed your direction so if you really seriously don't like it, then don't do it .... as you just did above again.

    Easy peasy isn't it?

    You gave me an idea - maybe we should speak on the phone. I dislike this fighting, too. I've gotta go out now and run some errands, see some friends, but maybe later?


    "The last refuge of a scoundrel is apparently calling your opponent a drunk."

    And besides Bob, you called yourself a drunk (don't make me do it again).

    "I dislike this fighting, too."

    GOOD ... happy to hear it. Then stop starting these fights all the time .... and no, it isn't just with me.


    You called it right, fif. But, I'd screen my calls if I were you!icon_cool.gif


    We see the same pattern over and over and over.

    I'll talk to him, but not 366 minutes like the first time he called or 163 minutes the second.

    I'm reasonable person (in my own mind of course), and I learned way back in the 7th and 8th grade what you have to do with bullies.

    I don't have time to respond each and every time he does what he does, but occasionally I will.


    YUK! But then, I'm not a phone fan. 6 hours or 2, time NOT well spent!


    Using headset to talk with him while also detailing my car. So the time wasn't a complete waste.


    Were you using Turtle Wax? You need a hard shell finish for that one!


    That was good lolololol.

    No, I actually use Zaino https://www.zainostore.com/
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    Mar 23, 2015 5:51 PM GMT
    Sharkspeare said"The New Deal-based, rational, problem-solving liberalism he believed in had spawned a fanatic, self-righteous, nihilistic, and libertine identity-driven aberration."

    Translation: Imagine the chutzpah of people wanting to control their own bodies, their own sex lives, and no longer willing to be second-class participants in society. The fucking nerve of them!

    This article is whiny hogwash from a right-winger who dreams of the days when WASPs controlled everything and the rest of us were supposed to sit down and shut up. Amazing.


    +1

    But of course, all conservatives are sane...

    Vacuous, black-and-white, and typically far-right simplistic blather. Do conservatives have anything positive to offer? Can they in any way point to having made things better?