How Petty Municipal Fines Destroy the Lives of Our Most Vulnerable

  • metta

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    Mar 23, 2015 2:13 PM GMT
    How Petty Municipal Fines Destroy the Lives of Our Most Vulnerable



    http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2015/03/john-oliver-municipal-fines
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    Mar 23, 2015 3:35 PM GMT
    you see random credit reports from citizens come back and all most all of them have huge parking fines.

    also an issue third party companies own right own the speed guns the cops use and red light detectors at intersections. The fines are split between the city and a third party company.

    they built a local shopping center totally from the grown up. All new roads, utilities and sidewalks. the work was done by a third party and the state charges an extra sales tax. No one wants to shop there because the sales tax is 10%.

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    Mar 23, 2015 4:12 PM GMT
    "Our most vulnerable?" How about some of our most contumacious, starting w/ Little Missy - shades of Sandra Fluke? - and her insistent manner. Funny in parts, tiresome in others, and forced - and foul - humor throughout. Jumping to the conclusion that most people don't pay their fines because they're insolvent is an unsupported guess that betrays a permissive attitude; one might more rationally surmise that they don't pay because they're simply scofflaws, the kind of people who tend to get into trouble in the first place. The woman from AL who bewailed her fines claimed she couldn't afford to pay their initial <$50 amount, but did you notice her pricey French nails? Same for the rather youthful grandmother, whose fast-flowing tears and belated "want to pay [her] fine" couldn't cover up the bling about her, or the fact that she didn't pay her fine when she apparently could have . And, let's remember that Holder's DOJ report on Ferguson - the one that he petulantly released after he realized he didn't have any case against Officer Wilson - is nothing more than unproven allegations at this point, which have yet to be contested. OTOH, the man who was thrice locked up for stealing a $2 beer may - and should - have a good argument that what happened to him violated the VIII Amdt. claim. But, using the "f" word as the basis for a campaign against private probation services? Cut the agit-prop, people; it's not a good idea, no matter how "good it makes you feel."

    My takeaway? Straighten up, fly right, pay your fines promptly - and change any behavior that gets you them in the first place.
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    Mar 23, 2015 6:41 PM GMT
    ^ WHAT?!!!!!!!

    Are you saying people should take responsibility for their behaviors and the consequences that derive from them?!!!

    What manner of vile conservative, Republican foolish talk is this?!
  • metta

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    Mar 23, 2015 7:26 PM GMT
    No one is saying that people should not be responsible for their own behavior. They are saying that the punishment should fit the crime.
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    Mar 23, 2015 8:05 PM GMT
    Maybe if this was brought to light within the context of a serious news show with reputable journalists (where does one find those anymore) maybe I could take it seriously. It's hard to when the show doesn't.

    In short, if you can't pay the fine, don't do the crime.

    The argument that we all do these petty, stupid things is infantile at best.

    I do agree that having private concerns turn a profit off these incidents is repugnant to me.
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 23, 2015 9:15 PM GMT
    I saw this and it is a scandal. The scandal is that the police departments are having to rely on fee income to cover their expenses. And it isn't just using the poor. I used to live in a high income neighborhood that had a serious theft and break-in problem-- to the extent that the neighborhood hired a private chopper to buzz the neighborhood with a giant heat sensor on the front looking for thieves in the bushes. But every year as the fiscal budget was running out and there were a few more weeks to go in the year, the cops would be all over us looking for any infraction they could catch us doing. I once got stopped 3 times on the way home for having an inspection sticker 2 weeks out of date. I'm afraid the third time I mouthed off to the cop. Good thing I'm not black; he probably would have shot me. But tax cuts have been the order of the day for a while now and there's no way they can properly police with the money they're allocated. So they raise revenue. Through fines, the war on drugs, property seize laws, anything they can. Sadly, they also pay poorly leading to many cops with guns who aren't exactly the cream of the crop.
  • davfit

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    Mar 23, 2015 10:01 PM GMT
    Its a Business.. where people are abused and treated as non human..but you only need to look at the people who run it.. Hateful soulless people. . I was late filing my business Tax once
    fine 500.. plus the tax and late fees of course 30% I thought it got there in time. next day mail? AM SIGNED..no...but it didn't (4:35), I called to see if they got my app. they did ,but arrived after 430 ..so it goes to next day ..and now its late...I ask is there's any consideration for the weather "NO".... I was asked are you still working?..yes of course, I said...yes come down will arrest you for working and having no lic... and add on 2500.00 more...plus bond ,court costs..and will hold you for 72 hrs...your a criminal now (and were going to fuck you).. because weather slowed USPS delivery.."and we have a whole cart load of lic apps that are late"..laughing as she said it..She wasn't Laughing...when I told her what I thought of her and her Tax office....
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    Mar 23, 2015 11:12 PM GMT
    watch the viddo

    anyways we are talking about on the average in the city of denver residents about $300 in parking fines.
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    Mar 23, 2015 11:12 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidIn short, if you can't pay the fine, don't do the crime.


    That's the conventional rule. The new, twisted rule is:

    Don't want to do time for a crime? Pay the fine.

    Can't pay the fine? Watch it incline.
  • FRE0

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    Mar 24, 2015 2:38 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidMaybe if this was brought to light within the context of a serious news show with reputable journalists (where does one find those anymore) maybe I could take it seriously. It's hard to when the show doesn't.

    In short, if you can't pay the fine, don't do the crime.

    The argument that we all do these petty, stupid things is infantile at best.

    I do agree that having private concerns turn a profit off these incidents is repugnant to me.


    Just a few years ago I received a speeding ticket. It was my first ticket for a moving violation in more than 30 years. If people are constantly getting tickets, surely they are doing something wrong.

    That said, perhaps in some cases there should be provision to pay over time.
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    Mar 24, 2015 4:15 AM GMT
    This is all old news. It was reported in the mainstream press last summer.
    If it wasn't going on in some third-world backwater, most of those swindlers and their pet judges would be rotting in jail themselves.
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    Mar 24, 2015 4:36 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidThis is all old news.
    Yet it's still happening as we speak (err, type).

    I've almost been a victim of this. If I hadn't been one of the lucky few who were able to pay my fine(s) in full due to a fairly decent income, I'd be in the fuck barrel today.
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    Mar 24, 2015 4:03 PM GMT
    MGINSD said"Our most vulnerable?" How about some of our most contumacious...

    ...Jumping to the conclusion that most people don't pay their fines because they're insolvent is an unsupported guess...

    ...The woman from AL who bewailed her fines claimed she couldn't afford to pay their initial <$50 amount, but did you notice her pricey French nails?

    ...Same for the rather youthful grandmother, whose fast-flowing tears and belated "want to pay [her] fine" couldn't cover up the bling about her...


    Jumping to conclusions huh?

    You say that as if you know whether a manicure was barter for sweeping hair off the salon floor.

    Bling, huh? Was that rhinestone or paste or all she has left of her grandmother?

    Contumacious huh? What you just spewed sounds more cuntamacious.
  • metta

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    May 25, 2015 5:48 AM GMT
    Gov. Brown Calls Traffic Court System a "Hellhole of Desperation," Pitches Amnesty On Traffic Debt For Poor

    "Under Brown's plan, drivers with lesser infractions would pay half of what they owe, and administrative fees would be slashed from $300 to $50."

    http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/-Governor-Brown-Pitches-Amnesty-On-Traffic-Debt-For-Poor-304871901.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_BAYBrand