Kunstler: We are the Michael Brown of nations

  • tj85016

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    Mar 23, 2015 8:08 PM GMT
    http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/kicked-to-the-curb/

    agree or disagree, he has some good points - ones that globalist, neo-Con Clinton is not going to address
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 23, 2015 8:50 PM GMT
    I do agree with much of it. I don't agree that Hillary is even close to neo-Con but she certainly did vote for the Iraq war. And clearly feels the need to be "strong" in national defense issues if she is to side-step the the war-mongering talk of the Right. And Kerry, well, let's see. Soon. But I do agree that the swagger and "American Exceptionalism" bullshit is nothing but childish and short-sighted. Every country has its problems, but all you have to do to deflate American "WE'RE #1!" ego is to drive around Europe and marvel at the cleanliness of the cities (and suburbs) and notice even the lowest jobs seem to be filled with people who dress decently, speak well, and take pride in their work. If you think NYC is just super, spend some time in London, or Paris, or Amsterdam or Shanghai. Makes NY look like Planet of the Apes. Filthy. Crumbling.
  • tj85016

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    Mar 23, 2015 8:58 PM GMT
    yeah it's a shame America has gotten to the point we'd rather send weapons to Ukraine and Yemen than fix a bridge in Florida or Wisconsin
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    Mar 23, 2015 9:24 PM GMT
    "I begin to understand why the death of Ferguson, Mo, teen Michael Brown sent such shock waves through America last year. He truly symbolized our country: an overgrown, oafish, wannabe thug making one bad choice after another until his final, suicidal lurch against authority — followed by all the exculpatory lying on his behalf: the “gentle giant,” hands up, don’t shoot! This is exactly how America acts on the world stage these days. We are the Michael Brown among nations, high on exceptionalism, stoned on entitlement, swaggering moronically from one place to another grabbing what we feel like, smashing things up as we go."

    Except for the exceptionalism, he's done a good job of describing our current president, but hardly our country.
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 23, 2015 9:47 PM GMT
    MGINSD said"I begin to understand why the death of Ferguson, Mo, teen Michael Brown sent such shock waves through America last year. He truly symbolized our country: an overgrown, oafish, wannabe thug making one bad choice after another until his final, suicidal lurch against authority — followed by all the exculpatory lying on his behalf: the “gentle giant,” hands up, don’t shoot! This is exactly how America acts on the world stage these days. We are the Michael Brown among nations, high on exceptionalism, stoned on entitlement, swaggering moronically from one place to another grabbing what we feel like, smashing things up as we go."

    Except for the exceptionalism, he's done a good job of describing our current president, but hardly our country.

    Go back to your FOX fairy tale. I swear, it amazes me how thoroughly you people on the Right can delude yourself into thinking these goofball things. Suspension of any sense of what's real and not real. And we get it. Obama is a big mean black guy trying to kill this wonderful country that is the BESTEST.
  • tj85016

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    Mar 23, 2015 9:53 PM GMT
    ^^

    lol you mean the bestest over-lawyered, scam artist filled, arms- dealing country ever (besides England, Rome and Spain)?
  • Lincsbear

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    Mar 24, 2015 12:03 AM GMT
    My choice for the personification of the US would be that great American idol, Elvis Presley, circa 1975: once a great talent but utterly spent, drug raddled, corrupted by business men, and rehashing old glories. His grotesque end you couldn`t make up.
    Every country has its time in the sun.
    I take the point about the US blundering around the world righting supposed 'wrongs' and just assuming everyone will agree with it and then shocked when they don`t. The US` dominance is coming to an end, both for domestic decline, and an ignorance of the better, faster moving rest of the world.
    US 'Exceptionalism' has blinded the country to its many failings, and without acknowledging them it cannot make any progress.
    In some ways the last few centuries have been an aberration. The world is returning to its natural order, with China dominant. For far longer than the US, China has thought of itself as the centre of civilization, overflowing with confidence, and destined to decide things.
    Coming from an older country, the historical pattern is clear.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 24, 2015 9:58 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidI do agree with much of it. I don't agree that Hillary is even close to neo-Con but she certainly did vote for the Iraq war. And clearly feels the need to be "strong" in national defense issues if she is to side-step the the war-mongering talk of the Right. And Kerry, well, let's see. Soon. But I do agree that the swagger and "American Exceptionalism" bullshit is nothing but childish and short-sighted. Every country has its problems, but all you have to do to deflate American "WE'RE #1!" ego is to drive around Europe and marvel at the cleanliness of the cities (and suburbs) and notice even the lowest jobs seem to be filled with people who dress decently, speak well, and take pride in their work. If you think NYC is just super, spend some time in London, or Paris, or Amsterdam or Shanghai. Makes NY look like Planet of the Apes. Filthy. Crumbling.
    If you think NYC is filthy and crumbling, you should check out the two dead, decayed cities of Youngstown,OH and Niagara Falls,NY. They make NYC, Chicago and many other big American cities look like utopia.
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 24, 2015 10:47 PM GMT
    Yeah, I know. But NY is supposed to be our big deal city. It peaked in the 60's and really hasn't kept up since. That was 50 years ago! Sure, there are some nice things about it but it really is a dirty, claustrophobic city filled with unfriendly people who think it's cool to work 80 hours/week and live in an apartment that looks like public housing (on the inside). And that think being rude is ok because they don't have time to be polite. It's not like that in London, or Paris, or Barcelona, or Shanghai.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 25, 2015 12:19 AM GMT
    Destinharbor saidYeah, I know. But NY is supposed to be our big deal city. It peaked in the 60's and really hasn't kept up since. That was 50 years ago! Sure, there are some nice things about it but it really is a dirty, claustrophobic city filled with unfriendly people who think it's cool to work 80 hours/week and live in an apartment that looks like public housing (on the inside). And that think being rude is ok because they don't have time to be polite. It's not like that in London, or Paris, or Barcelona, or Shanghai.
    I am more than sure that London, Paris, Barcelona, and Shanghai have their urban ills and drawbacks. No big major city is problem free.