Tea Party Hero Ted Cruz: I'm Signing Up For Obamacare Because My Wife Lost Her Insurance

• KissTheSky
  
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  Mar 24, 2015 11:14 PM GMT

  Is Hell freezing over?
  
  Via the Des Moines Register:
  Ted Cruz, one of the loudest critics of Obamacare, will soon be using it for health insurance coverage. "We will presumably go on the exchange and sign up for health care and we're in the process of transitioning over to do that," Cruz, a Republican candidate for president, told The Des Moines Register Tuesday. Cruz's wife, Heidi, is going on an unpaid leave of absence from her job at Goldman Sachs to join Cruz full time on the campaign trail, Cruz told the Register. Asked if it chafes at all to have to rely on Obamacare, Cruz told the Register: "Well, it is written in the law that members will be on the exchanges without subsidies just like millions of Americans so that's – I think the same rules should apply to all of us. Members of Congress should not be exempt." But, Cruz added, he'd still like to see Obamacare repealed in its entirety.
  http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/24/ted-cruz-health-insurance-obamacare/70384334/
  
  In the past, Cruz has shut down the entire US Government to protest Obamacare and has called it unconstitutional and said it's his highest priority to get it repealed.
  And today he signed up for it...
  You can't make this stuff up.
  

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  Mar 24, 2015 11:25 PM GMT

  It has been pretty well established that these right wing hard liners are hypocrites and along with all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs are a horrible embarrassment to the GOP.

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  KissTheSky saidIs Hell freezing over?
  
  Via the Des Moines Register:
  Ted Cruz, one of the loudest critics of Obamacare, will soon be using it for health insurance coverage. "We will presumably go on the exchange and sign up for health care and we're in the process of transitioning over to do that," Cruz, a Republican candidate for president, told The Des Moines Register Tuesday. Cruz's wife, Heidi, is going on an unpaid leave of absence from her job at Goldman Sachs to join Cruz full time on the campaign trail, Cruz told the Register. Asked if it chafes at all to have to rely on Obamacare, Cruz told the Register: "Well, it is written in the law that members will be on the exchanges without subsidies just like millions of Americans so that's – I think the same rules should apply to all of us. Members of Congress should not be exempt." But, Cruz added, he'd still like to see Obamacare repealed in its entirety.
  http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/24/ted-cruz-health-insurance-obamacare/70384334/
  
  In the past, Cruz has shut down the entire US Government to protest Obamacare and has called it unconstitutional and said it's his highest priority to get it repealed.
  And today he signed up for it...
  You can't make this stuff up.
  

  
  
  
  She, like EVERYONE ELSE, is REQUIRED BY LAW to sign up for Obamacare.
  

  
  Hmm, that's strange. I haven't signed up for Obamacare.
  Have you?
  

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  Mar 24, 2015 11:30 PM GMT

  roadbikeRob saidIt has been pretty well established that these right wing hard liners are hypocrites and along with all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs are a horrible embarrassment to the GOP.

  
  
  Hypocrites is an understatement. They live their entire lives so full of hypocrisy that it doesn't even occur them that ethical people will be appalled.

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  Mar 24, 2015 11:43 PM GMT

  First of all there is no such thing as Obamacare. It is still health insurance through private insurance companies, unless you qualify for medicare or Medicaid. Notice the word presumably in the quote in the OP. You only need to use the exchange if you are going to be eligible for a subsidy. If you are not eligible for a subsidy, and I don't imagine they are, you can still sign up for insurance through the exchange or you can sign up directly with an insurance company of your choice. My question is why doesn't he put his wife on the plan that he gets through his being a government employee.

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  Mar 25, 2015 1:25 AM GMT

  Physiqueflex saidFirst of all there is no such thing as Obamacare. It is still health insurance through private insurance companies, unless you qualify for medicare or Medicaid. Notice the word presumably in the quote in the OP. You only need to use the exchange if you are going to be eligible for a subsidy. If you are not eligible for a subsidy, and I don't imagine they are, you can still sign up for insurance through the exchange or you can sign up directly with an insurance company of your choice. My question is why doesn't he put his wife on the plan that he gets through his being a government employee.

  Because Mr. Ted Cruz is an ignorant, right wing blowhard.

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  Mar 25, 2015 1:35 AM GMT

  Physiqueflex saidFirst of all there is no such thing as Obamacare. It is still health insurance through private insurance companies, unless you qualify for medicare or Medicaid. Notice the word presumably in the quote in the OP. You only need to use the exchange if you are going to be eligible for a subsidy. If you are not eligible for a subsidy, and I don't imagine they are, you can still sign up for insurance through the exchange or you can sign up directly with an insurance company of your choice. My question is why doesn't he put his wife on the plan that he gets through his being a government employee.

  
  
  On top of that central question ("Why wasn't she on his government/congressionally provided health care insurance or added now that she isn't working at Goldman Sachs any more?") why doesn't she pay COBRA premiums in the meantime, if she intends to return to work after Cruz' campaign ends? Still would be cheaper to go on a family health care insurance plan provided to the Senator (even if it was transitioned into ACA upon implementation of the Act.)
  
  And ironies of ironies, there is no state exchange in Texas (refused by the state as I recall). Oops.

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  Mar 25, 2015 1:38 AM GMT

  Millions of Tea Partiers want the benefits of the Affordable Care Act---OBAMACARE.
  
  Remember the "Keep Gov't Out of My Medicare" slogan of the Tea Party?
  
  Ted Cruz is only as hypocritical as his followers and most of the Republican Party who take every gov't benefit they can find while shouting against government.

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  Mar 25, 2015 2:25 AM GMT

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  Physiqueflex saidFirst of all there is no such thing as Obamacare. It is still health insurance through private insurance companies, unless you qualify for medicare or Medicaid. Notice the word presumably in the quote in the OP. You only need to use the exchange if you are going to be eligible for a subsidy. If you are not eligible for a subsidy, and I don't imagine they are, you can still sign up for insurance through the exchange or you can sign up directly with an insurance company of your choice. My question is why doesn't he put his wife on the plan that he gets through his being a government employee.

  
  On top of that central question ("Why wasn't she on his government/congressionally provided health care insurance or added now that she isn't working at Goldman Sachs any more?") why doesn't she pay COBRA premiums in the meantime, if she intends to return to work after Cruz' campaign ends? Still would be cheaper to go on a family health care insurance plan provided to the Senator (even if it was transitioned into ACA upon implementation of the Act.)
  
  And ironies of ironies, there is no state exchange in Texas (refused by the state as I recall). Oops.

  
  That's what I was wondering. This doesn't make a lot of sense.

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  Mar 25, 2015 2:42 AM GMT

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  Art_Deco said

  Menergy_1 said

  Physiqueflex saidFirst of all there is no such thing as Obamacare. It is still health insurance through private insurance companies, unless you qualify for medicare or Medicaid. Notice the word presumably in the quote in the OP. You only need to use the exchange if you are going to be eligible for a subsidy. If you are not eligible for a subsidy, and I don't imagine they are, you can still sign up for insurance through the exchange or you can sign up directly with an insurance company of your choice. My question is why doesn't he put his wife on the plan that he gets through his being a government employee.

  
  On top of that central question ("Why wasn't she on his government/congressionally provided health care insurance or added now that she isn't working at Goldman Sachs any more?") why doesn't she pay COBRA premiums in the meantime, if she intends to return to work after Cruz' campaign ends? Still would be cheaper to go on a family health care insurance plan provided to the Senator (even if it was transitioned into ACA upon implementation of the Act.)
  
  And ironies of ironies, there is no state exchange in Texas (refused by the state as I recall). Oops.

  
  That's what I was wondering. This doesn't make a lot of sense.

  
  Which means that they go to healthcare.gov (if it's up and running that is).

  
  Do you have reason to believe it's not, or are you just saying that?

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  Mar 25, 2015 3:19 AM GMT

  Funny how no one has taken notice of the most important words in the OP......
  
  "...........a Republican candidate for president, told The Des Moines Register Tuesday. Cruz's wife, Heidi, is going on an unpaid leave of absence from her job at Goldman Sachs to join Cruz full time on the campaign trail,............ "
  
  There you have it boys... Just one more manipulation of the same "big evil nasty money influences in politics" that Saint Obama told all his faithful he would protect them from...
  
  But then Goldman Sachs "employees" donated $994,795 to Obama in 2008 (only $230,095 to McCain)
  http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/20/obama.goldman.donations/index.html
  
  Here's an extensive list of Goldman Sachs' ties to Obama and other liberals.
  
  [url]http://my.firedoglake.com/fflambeau/2010/04/27/a-list-of-goldman-sachs-people-in-the-obama-government-names-attached-to-the-giant-squids-tentacles/
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  Mar 25, 2015 4:20 AM GMT

  Physiqueflex saidFirst of all there is no such thing as Obamacare. It is still health insurance through private insurance companies, unless you qualify for medicare or Medicaid. Notice the word presumably in the quote in the OP. You only need to use the exchange if you are going to be eligible for a subsidy. If you are not eligible for a subsidy, and I don't imagine they are, you can still sign up for insurance through the exchange or you can sign up directly with an insurance company of your choice. My question is why doesn't he put his wife on the plan that he gets through his being a government employee.

  
  
  The ACA requires members of congress to access health insurance via the exchanges. Not through the standard Federal insurance choices of before.
  
  Possible the most poorly crafted and unconstitutional law created.
  
  I thought you said you knew alot about the law?
  
  
  the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).
  
  
  .... Meanwhile i read alot of know it all's as usual. Who have no clue about the ramifications of Cobra. You get 18 months of COBRA btw.
  
  It would make sense in a normal situation to just continue Cobra and pay a hefty premium, why not?
  
  You only get 18 months of COBRA. HER COBRA WOULD END around Sept / Oct 2016. Right before the election.
  
  How do you think a debate moderator would behave? You know the fair and balanced ones like Candy Crowley from CNN.. What would the question be? How do you like the fact Senator now that your wifes Cobra is up and you have to use the ACA, how can you run on the idea of repealing it?
  
  The choice is obvious to me. This is politics and he is cutting out the clear political situation from being exploited.
  
  Fyi, not to wild about him as a candidate.

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  Mar 25, 2015 5:01 AM GMT

  I stand corrected. Members of congress used to be on a plan called FEHB which was subsidized by the federal government. They are no longer elegible for that, but are now getting the same subsidy if they sign up through the exchange. While they still have the same wide array of choices as every other American has, they will also get a subsidy that isn't available to everyone else, especially those with a $174,000.00 annual income, not counting sponsorships.
  
  I don't know what he's bitching about.
  
  Further, this quote needs clarification:
  
  "Well, it is written in the law that members will be on the exchanges without subsidies just like millions of Americans so that's – I think the same rules should apply to all of us. Members of Congress should not be exempt."
  
  Firstly, members do have a government subsidy, so he's right that they don't have the same rules as the rest of us, but I don't think that is what he wants you to think he meant by "exempt".

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  Mar 25, 2015 2:11 PM GMT

  Giggle.

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  Typo on that last letter of his name. It's D not Z.

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  Physiqueflex saidFirst of all there is no such thing as Obamacare. It is still health insurance through private insurance companies, unless you qualify for medicare or Medicaid. Notice the word presumably in the quote in the OP. You only need to use the exchange if you are going to be eligible for a subsidy. If you are not eligible for a subsidy, and I don't imagine they are, you can still sign up for insurance through the exchange or you can sign up directly with an insurance company of your choice. My question is why doesn't he put his wife on the plan that he gets through his being a government employee.

  
  
  Many misinformed liberals who are high on the Koolaid aren't aware that Hypocrite In Chief Obama calls the ACA, Obamacare:
  
  

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  Mar 26, 2015 1:23 AM GMT

  As many news sources have pointed out, obviously Cruz and his wife could go buy insurance from any insurance company on the open market. Instead, they chose to sign up for Obamacare so they could benefit from the subsidy.
  So Cruz has flushed his "principles" down the toilet to save a few dollars each month on health insurance premiums.
  Another Republican hero!

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  Mar 26, 2015 3:01 AM GMT

  Tea party? More like Tea bag....

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  KissTheSky saidAs many news sources have pointed out, obviously Cruz and his wife could go buy insurance from any insurance company on the open market. Instead, they chose to sign up for Obamacare so they could benefit from the subsidy.
  So Cruz has flushed his "principles" down the toilet to save a few dollars each month on health insurance premiums.
  Another Republican hero!

  
  
  
  False. He is not eligible for a subsidy. Can you read what I wrote. He makes TOO MUCH MONEY.
  
  As a member of Congress he must purchase insurance via a ACA approved product.
  
  Again his wife could buy the Cobra, only to have the issue demagogue a month before Nov 2016.
  
  We suffer from low information voters in this country. Example A.

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  southbeach1500 said

  KissTheSky saidAs many news sources have pointed out, obviously Cruz and his wife could go buy insurance from any insurance company on the open market. Instead, they chose to sign up for Obamacare so they could benefit from the subsidy.
  So Cruz has flushed his "principles" down the toilet to save a few dollars each month on health insurance premiums.
  Another Republican hero!

  
  
  Subsidy? No.... they're not eligible for the subsidy.
  
  Any other untruths you care to spread?

  
  
  Are you calling Ted Cruz a liar?

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  KissTheSky saidAs many news sources have pointed out, obviously Cruz and his wife could go buy insurance from any insurance company on the open market. Instead, they chose to sign up for Obamacare so they could benefit from the subsidy.
  So Cruz has flushed his "principles" down the toilet to save a few dollars each month on health insurance premiums.
  Another Republican hero!

  
  
  
  False. He is not eligible for a subsidy. Can you read what I wrote. He makes TOO MUCH MONEY.
  
  As a member of Congress he must purchase insurance via a ACA approved product.
  
  Again his wife could buy the Cobra, only to have the issue demagogue a month before Nov 2016.
  
  We suffer from low information voters in this country. Example A.

  
  
  Congressmembers, like many Americans, do get part of their health care paid for by his employer, the Federal government. It was you who lead me to this understanding. I don't care if it's called a subsidy or not, he's getting it, and whining about it. Also, like many products that we buy, there has been minimum standards set by law with which insurance carriers products must comply. All Americans get "ACA approved" insurance no matter where they get it, either through the exchange, their employer, or directly from the insurance company.

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  Physiqueflex saidFirst of all there is no such thing as Obamacare. It is still health insurance through private insurance companies, unless you qualify for medicare or Medicaid. Notice the word presumably in the quote in the OP. You only need to use the exchange if you are going to be eligible for a subsidy. If you are not eligible for a subsidy, and I don't imagine they are, you can still sign up for insurance through the exchange or you can sign up directly with an insurance company of your choice. My question is why doesn't he put his wife on the plan that he gets through his being a government employee.

  
  
  On top of that central question ("Why wasn't she on his government/congressionally provided health care insurance or added now that she isn't working at Goldman Sachs any more?") why doesn't she pay COBRA premiums in the meantime, if she intends to return to work after Cruz' campaign ends? Still would be cheaper to go on a family health care insurance plan provided to the Senator (even if it was transitioned into ACA upon implementation of the Act.)
  
  And ironies of ironies, there is no state exchange in Texas (refused by the state as I recall). Oops.

  
  
  COBRA coverage is not available to someone who quits or goes on unpaid leave of absence. It is only available to those who are terminated or have a reduction in hours.
  
  Texas DOES have a state exchange. What Texas governor RIck Perry refused is the federal subsidies available for those who cannot afford health insurance through the exchanges. Just so he could say "f*ck you" to Obamacare that jackass refused free federal dollars to give the poor in Texas medical care.
  

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  Mar 26, 2015 9:03 AM GMT

  bobbobbob saidFunny how no one has taken notice of the most important words in the OP......
  
  "...........a Republican candidate for president, told The Des Moines Register Tuesday. Cruz's wife, Heidi, is going on an unpaid leave of absence from her job at Goldman Sachs to join Cruz full time on the campaign trail,............ "
  
  There you have it boys... Just one more manipulation of the same "big evil nasty money influences in politics" that Saint Obama told all his faithful he would protect them from...
  
  But then Goldman Sachs "employees" donated $994,795 to Obama in 2008 (only $230,095 to McCain)
  http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/20/obama.goldman.donations/index.html
  
  Here's an extensive list of Goldman Sachs' ties to Obama and other liberals.
  
  [url]http://my.firedoglake.com/fflambeau/2010/04/27/a-list-of-goldman-sachs-people-in-the-obama-government-names-attached-to-the-giant-squids-tentacles/
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  Dredging up stories from President Obama's first election is a great move if the OP had anything at all to do with the 2008 elections, but, you see, we aren't talking about the 2008 elections.
  
  Since you felt the need to go there, let's set the record straight. Goldman Sachs did donate more to candidate Obama than McCain in 2008; they were, however, singing a very different tune in 2012.
  
  It's interesting that you failed to mention more current news. I suppose since it didn't feed into your anti-President Obama narrative ...
  
  http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444752504578024661927487192
  
  When Barack Obama ran for president in 2008, no major U.S. corporation did more to finance his campaign than Goldman Sachs Group Inc.
  
  This election, none has done more to help defeat him.
  
  Prompted by what they call regulatory attacks on their business and personal attacks on their character, executives and employees of Goldman Sachs have largely abandoned Mr. Obama and are now the top sources of money to presidential candidate Mitt Romney and the Republican Party.
  
  In the four decades since Congress created the campaign-finance system, no company's employees have switched sides so abruptly, moving from top supporters of one camp to the top of its rival, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of campaign-finance data compiled by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.
  
  Employees at Goldman donated more than $1 million to Mr. Obama when he first ran for president. This election, they have given the president's campaign $136,000—less than Mr. Obama has collected from employees of the State Department. The employees have contributed nothing to the leading Democratic super PAC supporting his re-election.
  
  By contrast, Goldman employees have given Mr. Romney's campaign $900,000, plus another $900,000 to the super PAC founded to help him.

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  credo said
  It's interesting that you failed to mention more current news. I suppose since it didn't feed into your anti-President Obama narrative ...

  
  Why do you bother? People like Bob The Boob lie, and then breeze past when called out on their lies, and on to the next fabrication. The point is volume, to bury your opponents with so much bullshit that they have to spend all their time rebutting the hogwash, or throw up their hands and let it go unchallenged. This has been the right-wing playbook since about 1980. Bob the Boob is just playing the game.

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  southbeach1500 said

  KissTheSky saidIs Hell freezing over?
  
  Via the Des Moines Register:
  Ted Cruz, one of the loudest critics of Obamacare, will soon be using it for health insurance coverage. "We will presumably go on the exchange and sign up for health care and we're in the process of transitioning over to do that," Cruz, a Republican candidate for president, told The Des Moines Register Tuesday. Cruz's wife, Heidi, is going on an unpaid leave of absence from her job at Goldman Sachs to join Cruz full time on the campaign trail, Cruz told the Register. Asked if it chafes at all to have to rely on Obamacare, Cruz told the Register: "Well, it is written in the law that members will be on the exchanges without subsidies just like millions of Americans so that's – I think the same rules should apply to all of us. Members of Congress should not be exempt." But, Cruz added, he'd still like to see Obamacare repealed in its entirety.
  http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/24/ted-cruz-health-insurance-obamacare/70384334/
  
  In the past, Cruz has shut down the entire US Government to protest Obamacare and has called it unconstitutional and said it's his highest priority to get it repealed.
  And today he signed up for it...
  You can't make this stuff up.
  

  
  
  
  She, like EVERYONE ELSE, is REQUIRED BY LAW to sign up for Obamacare.
  

  
  
  They are free to purchase a health plan outside of Affordable Care. Cigna, Aetna, etc. there are lots of other options.

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