Amanda Knox

  • JuneauMike

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    Mar 25, 2015 8:54 AM GMT
    Any thoughts on whether Italy's top court will affirm Amanda Knox's murder conviction today? And if so, whether she will be extradited?

    I say if her conviction is upheld, she could face extradition. The US bans most cases of "double jeopardy", where a person found not guilty cannot be tried again for the same crime. But it's worth noting that she wasn't found "not guilty" by a jury. Her first conviction was tossed out by an appellate court. That is very different.

    I suspect that *IF* her conviction is upheld, Italy will seek her extradition, and the US will grant it.
  • venue35

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    Mar 25, 2015 1:36 PM GMT
    This still hasn't been resolved?????
    Is she in Italy now???
    I thought she was banned from Europe for life...
  • jeep334

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    Mar 25, 2015 3:34 PM GMT
    Whatever happened to her boyfriend?
  • goforwand

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    Mar 25, 2015 3:37 PM GMT
    She will not be extradicted
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 25, 2015 4:31 PM GMT
    The whole process was ridiculous. I can't believe the lower court's ruling will be affirmed based on today's court ruling, but even if it is, she won't be extradited.
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    Mar 25, 2015 8:01 PM GMT
    The Italian court system works differently than the US court system. Well, she was convicted before then freed, then she was retried again?? Lol, I'm confused about this case. Did they throw that Italian guy (Rafaelle?? Spelling) in jail over this? I don't think she will be extradited back to Italy.
  • tj85016

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    Mar 25, 2015 9:29 PM GMT
    pazzy saidshe's as guilty as can be. hope they send her ass back over there to do the full sentence.


    I think so too
  • jjguy05

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    Mar 25, 2015 10:46 PM GMT
    venue35 saidThis still hasn't been resolved?????
    Is she in Italy now???
    I thought she was banned from Europe for life...


    While individual countries ban people all the time, I've never heard of the European Union as a whole doing so. They might, but I've never heard of it.

    Knox is back in the US. She's not going to Italy. She was tried (on appeal) in abstentia.

    LAXWill10 saidThe Italian court system works differently than the US court system. Well, she was convicted before then freed, then she was retried again?? Lol, I'm confused about this case. Did they throw that Italian guy (Rafaelle?? Spelling) in jail over this? I don't think she will be extradited back to Italy.


    The US has what's called a "double jeopardy" law. Once you're acquitted of a crime, you cannot be tried again. Many countries don't have this law, so it's possible for someone on criminal charges to be acquitted, but for prosecutors to appeal the case and win a conviction. In my opinion, this isn't right. I support the double jeopardy law.

    The US does have an extradition treaty with Italy, but because it would violate the US's own double jeopardy law, it's reasonable to believe that the US will never extradite Knox to Italy, since she was already tried and acquitted.
  • venue35

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    Mar 25, 2015 11:09 PM GMT
    I know lol.
    The banned from Europe quote was me making a joke.
    Well it's best if she is never allowed back in Italy
    Or anywhere near alcohol and a knife...
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    Mar 25, 2015 11:41 PM GMT
    Is this the same Italian court system that prosecuted seismologists because they did not accurately predict an earthquake? I can't say I have a lot of faith in anything the Italian courts do.
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    Mar 26, 2015 1:48 AM GMT
    Well, I know about this but The *Double Jeopardy* law applies to US crimes committed on US soil. Now, if she's convicted again in Italy high courts system and IF Italy does Vigorously want the US to extradite her back, it'd be interesting to see what the US will do. One can argue that since Amanda Knox *committed these crimes in Italy, the US's double jeopardy law does not apply and the US should turn over *This fugitive based on good faith and international relations with Italy. (Ha, now I'm thinking like a lawyer mode). Having said that, I don't think the US will do this and Italy will cry FOUL. icon_lol.gif




    jjguy05 said


    The US has what's called a "double jeopardy" law. Once you're acquitted of a crime, you cannot be tried again. Many countries don't have this law, so it's possible for someone on criminal charges to be acquitted, but for prosecutors to appeal the case and win a conviction. In my opinion, this isn't right. I support the double jeopardy law.

    The US does have an extradition treaty with Italy, but because it would violate the US's own double jeopardy law, it's reasonable to believe that the US will never extradite Knox to Italy, since she was already tried and acquitted.


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    Mar 26, 2015 2:25 AM GMT
    Her trial was a total fraud and she lost years of her life.She should absolutely not be extradited.
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    Mar 26, 2015 2:34 AM GMT
    It would be very easy for the US to not comply with the extradition request without the Italians having much to complain about. It is much like European countries routinely denying US requests for extradition based on the possibility of the death penalty. Since the Europeans use the argument that they don't allow the death penalty and thus can't extradite someone that faces the possibility of the death penalty, the US can claim the same about double jeopardy.

    In addition, the Italian prosecution was proven to be a political witch-hunt by a very corrupt prosecutor. It would be hard for the US to allow extradition based on US public opinion polls I saw awhile back when this was in the news.

    However, the Italians should throw the book at the jackasses that carved into the Colosseum recently. I'd be fine with a jail sentence for that act of stupidity.
  • jjguy05

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    Mar 26, 2015 7:10 AM GMT
    LAXWill10 saidWell, I know about this but The *Double Jeopardy* law applies to US crimes committed on US soil. Now, if she's convicted again in Italy high courts system and IF Italy does Vigorously want the US to extradite her back, it'd be interesting to see what the US will do. One can argue that since Amanda Knox *committed these crimes in Italy, the US's double jeopardy law does not apply and the US should turn over *This fugitive based on good faith and international relations with Italy. (Ha, now I'm thinking like a lawyer mode). Having said that, I don't think the US will do this and Italy will cry FOUL.



    Since when does the US care what other countries think? You're right that US laws only apply in the US, but the US tends not to extradite American citizens already on US soil for things that would violate US legal practices. If the US decides to extradite her, Knox can contest that in US courts, and the US courts would probably agree with her, citing double jeopardy law. I don't know for sure this will happen, but this is what I would expect.

    And Italy -contrary to the stereotypes Americans have of Italians- tends to be a quiet country on the international scene, and tends to just go with the flow. This is a common criticism of Italy, that relative the country's large size, Italy tends to lay low in EU politics.

    If anything, it's we Americans that are the whiny crybabies. While I would agree that Knox should not be extradited to Italy, sometimes we here in the US whine for the wrong reasons. There was an international custody case a few years ago between the US and Brazil over a child that had dual US-Brazilian nationality. His dad was American and lived in the US. His parents were not married; mom was Brazilian took him with her back to Brazil. She died there, and the kid was then living with mom's family. Dad went to Brazil and tried to get custody of his son; mom's family didn't want to hand him over to his father. Brazil is a democratic country; Brazil's president of the time -Lula da Silva- agreed that the custody should be given to the child's American father, but it wasn't up to the president. It was widely believed that the Brazilian court system would also rule in favor of the American dad (which is what ended up happening). But before giving Brazil's democratic and judicial systems a chance to sort it out, we had American politicians whining that a pending trade deal with Brazil -worth billions of dollars- should be canceled to punish Brazil. Americans make these hyperbolic and whiny holier-than-thou statements all the time, and it's really annoying to the rest of the world. Italy and Brazil are not Saudi Arabia. These are democratic countries...yes with their own flaws, but we have flaws too. It's we in the US that are the crybabies.

    Art_Deco saidIs this the same Italian court system that prosecuted seismologists because they did not accurately predict an earthquake? I can't say I have a lot of faith in anything the Italian courts do.


    That was a case that indeed embarrassed Italy, but those seismologists, rightfully, were acquitted on appeal. That's one ridiculous case, and the Italian system indeed has its flaws, but we have massive flaws in our system in the US, where we put innocent people on death row all the time. Italy, at least, does not have the death penalty.
  • venue35

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    Mar 26, 2015 10:40 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidIs this the same Italian court system that prosecuted seismologists because they did not accurately predict an earthquake? I can't say I have a lot of faith in anything the Italian courts do.
    Apparently you don't have faith in anything that isn't red white and blue.
    The fact is Amanda Knox may have committed this horrible crime...in Italy.
    If she is guilty she should pay for what she did.
    The justice system in the US is far from perfect.
    Same goes for Italy.
  • JuneauMike

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    Mar 26, 2015 12:22 PM GMT
    My point is, I don't see how a double jeopardy objection would apply as a factor in deciding whether to extradite her to Italy. She was found guilty during a murder trial, and sentenced. An appellate court later tossed her conviction. Maybe someone with greater knowledge of the Italian court system can correct me (I'm certainly no expert), but I don't believe it is the role of an appellate system to determine guilt or innocence, but rather to determine whether a fair trial occurred. A subsequent trial found her guilty yet again.

    Some legal scholars are of the opinion that the US may extradite her, if requested to do so by Italy, simply to maintain a system of quid pro quo (this for that) in such cases.

    Also, since the US has ruled the death penalty to be legal for adults convicted of murder under our Constitution, added to the fact that Knox was NOT sentenced to death by Italy, any death penalty objection would be a moot point. You might as well argue about how many hours I want to spend with Realjock member HNDSMKANSAN in his hot tub! icon_twisted.gif I doubt either issue will come... up! icon_smile.gif (a little humor, in the case of the slightly dim!)
  • venue35

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    Mar 26, 2015 1:48 PM GMT
    They won't send her back not now.
    If they do I will be surprised.
    Do you think she did it??
  • venue35

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    Mar 26, 2015 1:51 PM GMT
    According to Italian officials she was doing cartwheels
    inside the interrogation roomicon_confused.gif
  • LJay

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    Mar 26, 2015 5:29 PM GMT
    So no news?
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    Mar 26, 2015 8:01 PM GMT
    it's only been like 100000 years since it happened.

    why do people still care about mallory knox?

  • Muscles25

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    Mar 26, 2015 10:05 PM GMT
    White privilege bitch. She's so guilty. I pity the man who marries her.
  • JuneauMike

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    Mar 26, 2015 11:50 PM GMT
    No news. Italy's top court was going to announce a decision on Wednesday, but has delayed until Friday.
  • JuneauMike

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    Mar 26, 2015 11:51 PM GMT
    Patito, who is Mallory Knox?
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    Mar 27, 2015 1:01 PM GMT
    Google
  • jjguy05

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    Mar 27, 2015 9:19 PM GMT
    JuneauMike saidMy point is, I don't see how a double jeopardy objection would apply as a factor in deciding whether to extradite her to Italy...Some legal scholars are of the opinion that the US may extradite her, if requested to do so by Italy, simply to maintain a system of quid pro quo (this for that) in such cases.


    With all our problems in this country, we do at least have judicial independence, and rightfully so. Thus, if the US decides to extradite Knox, she can contest the extradition in US courts, arguing that it violates double jeopardy law. And it's extremely difficult for me to picture the court taking other, "quid pro quo" cases into consideration when making a decision on her case.