Do you need protection from "scary ideas"?

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    Mar 25, 2015 10:18 AM GMT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-hiding-from-scary-ideas.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0
  • bobbobbob

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    Mar 25, 2015 11:43 AM GMT
    My mind is boggled from reading this.

    This quote stuck in my mind,

    "I was feeling bombarded by a lot of viewpoints that really go against my dearly and closely held beliefs,” Ms. Hall said."

    If one's dearly and closely held beliefs cannot withstand open discussion including "a lot of viewpoints" then it's a safe assumption the "dearly and closely held beliefs" are pretty flimsy to require safe spaces into which people may retreat to prevent their dearly and closely held beliefs from being confronted with viewpoints that might challenge them.

    This is an example of how college graduates will be released into a world they are not prepared for, where there are no safe spaces into which they can retreat at the first sensation their their "closely and dearly held beliefs" are being confronted with the possibility of other closely and deeply held beliefs that might be more valid and rational than their own.

    If this was about providing safe spaces where believers of creationism might escape from other viewpoints it would be considered a joke.
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    Mar 25, 2015 12:01 PM GMT
    My usual response to people like her is:

    "Do you get claustrophobic in that narrow mind of yours?"
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    Mar 25, 2015 12:05 PM GMT

    The recent National Geographic mag just had a profile of Francis S. Collins, a physician and geneticist behind the Human Genome Project, director of National Institutes of Health, and is co-founder of BioLogos Foundation a group that fosters discussions about the intersection of christianity and science.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 25, 2015 12:08 PM GMT
    The only scary idea I could think of is all the leftist lunatics wanting to elect the hapless Hillary ho for president.
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    Mar 25, 2015 1:31 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThe only scary idea I could think of is all the leftist lunatics wanting to elect the hapless Hillary ho for president.

    How is this relevant to the topic Rob?
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    Mar 25, 2015 3:46 PM GMT
    all good but didnt read the article
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    Mar 25, 2015 3:49 PM GMT
    I nearly made it to the end before the multiple micro strokes cased me to black out.
    --fascinating.
    isn't this what Reddit is for?
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    Mar 25, 2015 3:53 PM GMT
    Good article, OP, as the author seems a pretty good grasp of the issue.

    This seems to me the crux of it...
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    “It’s amazing to me that they can’t distinguish between racist speech and speech about racist speech, between racism and discussions of racism,” Ms. Kaminer said in an email.

    The confusion is telling, though. It shows that while keeping college-level discussions “safe” may feel good to the hypersensitive, it’s bad for them and for everyone else. People ought to go to college to sharpen their wits and broaden their field of vision. Shield them from unfamiliar ideas, and they’ll never learn the discipline of seeing the world as other people see it. They’ll be unprepared for the social and intellectual headwinds that will hit them as soon as they step off the campuses whose climates they have so carefully controlled.

    with this being the main dilemma...
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    Another reason students resort to the quasi-medicalized terminology of trauma is that it forces administrators to respond. Universities are in a double bind. They’re required by two civil-rights statutes, Title VII and Title IX, to ensure that their campuses don’t create a “hostile environment” for women and other groups subject to harassment. However, universities are not supposed to go too far in suppressing free speech, either. If a university cancels a talk or punishes a professor and a lawsuit ensues, history suggests that the university will lose. But if officials don’t censure or don’t prevent speech that may inflict psychological damage on a member of a protected class, they risk fostering a hostile environment and prompting an investigation. As a result, students who say they feel unsafe are more likely to be heard than students who demand censorship on other grounds.


    I advocate as much as can be tolerated (no yelling fire in theaters, bullying, etc.) free speech but also I highly recommend censuring what a person takes in because we can't unsee what has been seen though we should know what's there. I do not take that to the extreme that new age idiots do. I don't need be surrounded only by those who agree with me for I love a good argument. My last best bud was a Republican while I'm proud to be a bleeding heart on my sleeve Democrat and I've made friends with people of pretty much every religious persuasion. As long as someone isn't out to hurt, to be abusive, I'm okay with all that.

    But, for instance, when someone on this forum posts something disgusting to me like grotesque picture, I might place that person on ignore. I know that crap is out there; I don't want to see it. When a poster themselves is a disgusting human being, I put that person on ignore. I already know what they have to say; I've no need to see it. Once you've smelled shit, there's no reason in the world to walk over to it and step in it. Fuck that. So I'm all for censorship not so much from the outside in but from the inside out.

    And unless I'm being attacked, I also censor myself. So what someone might call censorship, others might call consideration.

    There are concepts in various trains of thinking including Buddhism which show some of the benefits of censorship. Lemme see if I can google some. Hold on.....

    Here....

    I don't know this source but a very quick perusal seems to show it okay enough to illustrate the point....

    http://urantia-book.org/archive/readers/quotations_buddhist_scriptures.htm
    B. Censorship Over Desires Arising from the Senses

    1. First is the censorship over the desires arising from the use of the eyes, among which we mention as of first importance, sexual desires that arise from seeing crystal eyes, slender brows, crimson lips, snow- white teeth, worldly adornments, garments of beautiful colors--green, yellow, red, white, purple, violet, and so on,--all of which will attract a fool's attention and awaken desires that are evil.

    2. Second is the censorship over the desires arising from the use of the ears, among which we mention, musical sounds from harp, twelve-stringed lute, and instruments using silk, bamboo metal, stone, etc., and from the voices of dancing and singing girls, reciting, praising, etc. No sooner do we, disciples of Buddha, hear these sweet sounds than our hearts are stained and our minds entangled and we are led into evil acts.

    3. Third is the censorship over the desires arising from the use of sense of smell. By this is meant the scent from sexually excited bodies, from beverages, from delicious foods, and from the fragrance from all kinds of shouldering perfumes.

    4. The fourth is the censorship over desires arising from the sense of taste in eating and drinking, such as, bitterness, sourness, sweetness, spiciness, saltines and freshness.

    5. Fifth is the censorship over the desires arising from the sense of touch. Our body is very sensitive to softness, warmth in winter, coolness in summer, etc.


    All that can be taken to extreme, of course, and therein other dangers lie. Thus we learn to find the balances of our lives.

    My brother summed it up beautifully in raising his kids. I've told this story before. The good kid came over to us and told a distasteful joke out of character for him, obviously something he picked up from his friends or wherever. My brother did not correct him, but rather said simply: "we don't want to hear it."

    So a scumbag is free to be whoever they want to be, but you're not welcomed to be that to me. Try wiping your shit on me and don't be surprised if you wind up eating your own shit, um, I mean, I just might censor that.

    I'm a gentle flower and I need to feel safe.
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    Mar 25, 2015 5:39 PM GMT
    This kind of nonsense has been gaining traction for several years. You can find many articles similar this one. Delicate flowers have been demanding that professors issue "trigger warnings" if there might be something coming up in a lecture or reading assignment that could potentially upset them.

    Even ten or fifteen years ago, there would be two or three students every quarter who had an official "disability" due to anxiety, such that they couldn't take quizzes or tests in public. The university had a special set of rooms set aside for them, with proctors to help them through it.
    Ninety percent of those students were training to be doctors and nurses... how the heck they expected to function in a hospital is beyond me.
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    Mar 25, 2015 10:50 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidThis kind of nonsense has been gaining traction for several years. You can find many articles similar this one. Delicate flowers have been demanding that professors issue "trigger warnings" if there might be something coming up in a lecture or reading assignment that could potentially upset them...


    Having taken classes again later in life I've been stunned by student/teacher interaction. Earlier you'd have been humiliated off campus for what these kids now get coddled.

    Seems that might chip away a bit at academic freedom. Soon enough you'll have the brain dead teaching the brain dead and then what becomes of innovation in America? Seems to me the drive of that would be your wits, not your halfwits or your nitwits.
  • Lincsbear

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    Mar 25, 2015 11:50 PM GMT
    Similar moves here are afoot to 'protect' students from unorthodox ideas; particularly muslim students from any such thoughts deemed 'radical'. There`s talk of university authorities having a 'duty of care' to protect them from such 'subversion'; to monitor their reading and behaviour, etc.; to vet incoming speakers for their 'moderateness'.
    In many ways this fits the perfect definition of 'political correctness' as it`s trying to prevent harm on people thought vulnerable and in need of defence; either too innocent, stupid, or lazy to think for themselves; and shielding them is, without being dramatic, potentially a matter of life and death. It`s all part of the erosion of freedom here; the narrowing of the limits of public dissent under the assaults of the fear of terrorism and the health and safety culture that abhors risk at all cost.
    As someone who went to university, shielding students from such ideas is defeating the whole object of the study: to learn to think critically for themselves and not simply take what`s given them, however much authority that figure has. They will need it later as the world is not ready formed but incomplete and messy.
    I had many controversial arguments there, mostly thrown at me by my tutors as part of the teaching experience; and many arguments with other students, some with very different ideas and beliefs from me. But it was good for me, longterm.
    Done with respect and manners and professional supervision, it is the best education you can have, and a good start in the world.
    I fear for students treated in such ways. They will end up finding the world a daunting place indeed.
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    Mar 26, 2015 12:48 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidHere on RJ, many of the radical libs make use of the "Ignore His Posts" feature so that they can remain blissfully ignorant of the carnage Barack you'll find a barrage of Obama threads and the Democrats are inflicteding on this forum country.


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  • Suetonius

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    Mar 26, 2015 1:15 AM GMT
    I had no idea that Brown University and Smith College took such anti-intellectual stands. Well, Smith was a "women's" college, so maybe it still thinks it needs to protect its terribly fragile students from being exposed to real life and the real world. But isn't that concern contradictory to a philosophy that women are just as good and smart as men?
  • bro4bro

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    Mar 26, 2015 3:19 AM GMT
    "The unexamined life is not worth living"
    --Socrates
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    Mar 26, 2015 3:23 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidHere on RJ, many of the radical libs make use of the "Ignore His Posts" feature so that they can remain blissfully ignorant of the carnage Barack Obama and the Democrats are inflicting on this country.


    Oh good God, I wish Rush Limbaugh would sit on you.
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    Mar 26, 2015 12:17 PM GMT
    bro4bro said"The unexamined life is not worth living"
    --Socrates


    Damn! I'd like to have a quiet evening to examine that body of yours!


    Opps, did I say that out loud?
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    Mar 28, 2015 1:33 PM GMT
    theantijock saidBlah Blah Blah....
    My brother summed it up beautifully in raising his kids. I've told this story before. The good kid came over to us and told a distasteful joke out of character for him, obviously something he picked up from his friends or wherever. My brother did not correct him, but rather said simply: "we don't want to hear it."...



    Ain't this the one got arrested for bitch-slapping his mother?

    Seems to be a family trait...

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    Mar 28, 2015 5:12 PM GMT
    bon_salieri saidtumblr_ms50esZ1521r2ibgho1_500.gif


    I'm going to make this simple for you because I know you are not as bright as everyone else here.

    A) Go fuck yourself, you piece of shit you.

    B) Per your usual inability to discern reality by your shit for brains, no. I said the good kid, not my adopted nephew who deals with personality disorders similar to those that you suffer but that you do nothing about because you are such a lazy, lame brain that you refuse to think beyond your defects and you refuse the help of others. So you can just go fuck yourself.

    C) Go fuck yourself

    D) You are a piece of shit

    E) My family trait is to help others and my adopted nephew is doing much better even though numerous professionals told my brother to give up on him years ago. That's what we do when we love people. But then, my nephew is not a cruel person, merely troubled, and so he deserves the love that we are honored to bestow.

    F) Under your mask of cruelty, you really are a cruel person, pathetic in the eyes of God, undeserving of human love. You should go find a heavy wet rock to crawl back under where you can comfortably go fuck yourself without the embarrassment of anyone having to see it.

    G) You really are a douche. Go fuck yourself.
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    Mar 28, 2015 5:24 PM GMT
    bon_saleri said tumblr_mor73xbH171r0jpapo1_500.gif


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    And now he has again initiated the attack here
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