Undetectable: On the road to a HIV-free generation

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    Mar 25, 2015 10:44 PM GMT
    Nothing new here (not to me at least) but it's a follow up to ACON's successful HIV campaign to reduce new HIV infections.


    "Ending HIV, which has also been one of ACON’s most successful education programs in its 30 years of existence, will now focus on raising awareness about the current state of HIV treatment, and where the gay community stands and its relationship to the virus."

    “HIV treatment is a rapidly-moving field. Last year’s information is already out of date. There will be a well-tolerated HIV treatment to suit you. Like all medical treatment, being ready to start and supported when you do improves effectiveness,” he said.
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    ““Most importantly though, commencing treatment early gives many guys the incredible gift of reducing viral load to undetectable levels.

    Achieving an undetectable status lifts a huge weight off your shoulders because you’re not worrying so much about passing the virus to a negative partner — this really helps shake off the common stigma of shame and dirtiness.”

    This is the NEW gift of HIV, an Undetectable one.

    http://www.starobserver.com.au/features/healthy-living/undetectable-on-the-road-to-a-hiv-free-generation/134201
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    Mar 25, 2015 11:18 PM GMT
    "The number of people living with HIV/AIDS in Miami-Dade County has increased by 23% from 2004 to 2014."

    https://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=aaplw&p=broward+county+florida+HIV+infection+rate

    The reality seems to be less optimistic than you paint.

    Being "undetectable" does indeed reduce the likelihood of HIV transmission. But how do we know who's undetectable?

    Because they TELL us? Is that like guys who say they're negative, when they're positive? Are we to base our health on word of mouth?

    That's where you're entire premise collapses.

    Safe sex means assuming every guy can be poz, and infectious. Whether he even knows it himself. And that's the crucial point you refuse to acknowledge.
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    Mar 26, 2015 12:01 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said"The number of people living with HIV/AIDS in Miami-Dade County has increased by 23% from 2004 to 2014."

    https://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=aaplw&p=broward+county+florida+HIV+infection+rate

    The reality seems to be less optimistic than you paint.

    Being "undetectable" does indeed reduce the likelihood of HIV transmission. But how do we know who's undetectable?

    Because they TELL us? Is that like guys who say they're negative, when they're positive? Are we to base our health on word of mouth?

    That's where you're entire premise collapses.

    Safe sex means assuming every guy can be poz, and infectious. Whether he even knows it himself. And that's the crucial point you refuse to acknowledge.


    It doesn't collapse at all. As I've pointed out 1000 times already:

    There are now at least five strategies that reasonably constitute‘safe sex’,provided that certain parameters are met.
    They are:
    1.The use of Condoms during casual encounters between men of unknown or discordant serostatus.
    2.HIV negative men taking effective pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP).
    3.Men living with HIV who only have sex without condoms when they have a sustained undetectable viral load (UVL) and in the absence of sexually transmissible infections (STIs).
    4.Effective use of serosorting between HIV positive men.
    5.Effective negotiated safety agreements.

    http://www.acon.org.au/sites/default/files/What-is-Safe-Sex-Position-2014.pdf

    The reason for Miami's increases are typical. Nothing new there either.

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    Mar 26, 2015 12:09 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    The reason for Miami's increases are typical. Nothing new there either.

    Please outline them.
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    Mar 26, 2015 12:46 AM GMT
    I like to use ACON for several reasons.

    1) Once they were like YOU. They disagreed vehemently with the Swiss statement.
    Swiss: http://www.aidsmap.com/The-Swiss-Statement-and-its-repercussions/page/1746478/
    Australia (then): Australasians reject Swiss statement - model predicts fourfold increase in HIV transmission over 10 years
    http://www.aidsmap.com/Australasians-reject-Swiss-statement-model-predicts-fourfold-increase-in-HIV-transmission-over-10-years/page/1430973/
    2) After seeing that Australia's old model wasn't working they were intelligent enough to re-evaluate their stance.
    3) Since then they have become the HIV cascade model. At 63% they have the highest level of sustained care and reaching undetectable.
    4) While the CDC releases a 350 page "update" ACON writes clearly and succinctly in 6 pages: http://www.acon.org.au/sites/default/files/What-is-Safe-Sex-Position-2014.pdf

    It's not "done" by a long shot. Now, at best HIV transmission is flat or slightly up. Compare that to Miami. But the problem is the same: young gay people who do not get tested. There are other areas to be sure.

    The tipping point is 90 90 90. 90% tested, 90% sustained antiretroviral therapy, 90% undetectable....with a 90% reduction of HIV.
    "The targets are all related to antiretroviral treatment due to the overwhelming amount of research proving the great gains that can be made if treatment is scaled up. Effective antiretroviral treatment prevents HIV-related illness, AIDS-related deaths, and the transmission of HIV." - See more at: http://www.avert.org/90-90-90-targets.htm#sthash.CqSjv32c.dpuf
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    Mar 26, 2015 12:47 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    timmm55 said
    The reason for Miami's increases are typical. Nothing new there either.

    Please outline them.


    If your link worked I would. But my guess is Gay/Bi, younger 13-24, black/Hispanic, untested/unknown.....same as the 132% increase across the country
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    Mar 26, 2015 5:10 PM GMT
    Love the slutty double entendre. This campaign truly knows how to appeal to its target demographic.
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    Mar 26, 2015 8:36 PM GMT
    CODY4U saidLove the slutty double entendre. This campaign truly knows how to appeal to its target demographic.


    You have to look real deep to find it a double entendre. And be a special kind of stigmatizing, slut shaming idiot to propel that theory forward.


    "Ironically, in a time when treatment is better than ever, people are missing out on the opportunity to access treatment by not knowing their status, due to the social stigma around HIV."
    "HIV serves as a vector for society's existing prejudices towards sexuality, sexual behavior, immigration, ethnicity and so on," he said. "The argument is that you can't think of HIV purely on the biomedical model because it's not just about the virus and the drugs."

    http://www.thebody.com/content/75616/new-guide-will-teach-docs-to-deal-with-hiv-shame-s.html?ic=700100
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    Mar 28, 2015 2:23 AM GMT
    Still not a reason to have unprotected sex. HIV is a virus and viruses can mutate!icon_idea.gif
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    Mar 28, 2015 5:22 AM GMT
    Thank you Mike. You hit the nail on the head. All I have seen in my line of work is a younger gay generation that think that being "undetectable" gives them license to sleep with whoever they wish however they wish...In many jurisdictions, the incidence of hiv is on the rise. Add in drug use and abuse with drugs like crystal meth and it's a recipe for disaster...
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    Mar 28, 2015 12:13 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike saidStill not a reason to have unprotected sex. HIV is a virus and viruses can mutate!icon_idea.gif


    Of course it mutates! Scientists have been studying how it mutates for over 30 years.

    "Even HIV has some weaknesses. The fact is there are some parts of the virus that really [don’t] like to change. And one of these regions is the central core that encapsulates the two copies of the viral RNA and the various viral enzymes. That region of the virus can mutate. But if it mutates it usually damages the ability of the virus to multiply, replicate, efficiently,”

    http://www.voanews.com/content/is-hiv-getting-weaker-2dec14/2542815.html
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    Mar 28, 2015 12:56 PM GMT
    Jetsbacker saidThank you Mike. You hit the nail on the head. All I have seen in my line of work is a younger gay generation that think that being "undetectable" gives them license to sleep with whoever they wish however they wish...In many jurisdictions, the incidence of hiv is on the rise. Add in drug use and abuse with drugs like crystal meth and it's a recipe for disaster...


    What is your "line of work"?

    Very few in the 13-24 age group are tested, let alone in care, let alone in treatment, let alone undetectable.


    CDC Feb. 23, 2015
    9 in 10 new U.S. HIV infections come from people not receiving HIV care

    Today’s analysis suggests that simply being in care can help people living with HIV avoid transmission of their virus. According to the model, people who were engaged in ongoing HIV care, but not prescribed antiretroviral treatment, were half as likely (51.8 percent) as those who were diagnosed but not in care to transmit their virus. Being prescribed HIV treatment further lowered the risk that a person would pass the virus to others.

    People who were successfully keeping the virus under control through treatment were 94 percent less likely than those who did not know they were infected to transmit their virus. However, previous national estimates have indicated that just 30 percent of people with HIV have reached this critical step in care.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/2015/HIV-Transmission-at-Each-Stage-of-Care.html?s_cid=nchhstp-hcso-nwsrm-hiv-care-005

    Your assertion that "a younger gay generation that think that being "undetectable" gives them license to sleep with whoever they wish however they wish...In many jurisdictions, the incidence of hiv is on the rise." is way off the mark.

    The only fact you got right is that HIV in the younger demographic has increased....132%. While many kids think that a pill is all they will need in the future they are ambivalent now, and untested. There's a complacency in youth today regarding HIV.

    Linking "undetectable" to an increase in HIV is contrary to every HIV study in the last 15 years. It's totally the opposite in fact. It's a bizarre correlation. I suppose if we didn't have PrEP and ART therapy we wouldn't have complacency. Then there would be a lot of sick and dying people with AIDS, just like the dark old days.

    Drug use and other problems like being homeless, stigma and mental illness are serious obstacles in the HIV cascade.


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    Mar 28, 2015 4:58 PM GMT
    Timmm55, the stats here show a completely different picture to the one you are painting.

    http://www.catie.ca/en/fact-sheets/epidemiology/epidemiology-hiv-canada

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-06-20/news/ct-hiv-young-gay-men-met-20140620_1_new-hiv-hiv-rates-hiv-and-aids

    http://www.avert.org/european-hiv-aids-statistics.htm


    As you can see, the incidence of hiv is actually on the rise. I would also caution you with using CDC stats in the US as there have been flaws in the collecting methodology. The biggest issue with hiv stats is that they are notoriously underreported. People contract hiv and potentially go for years without being aware that they even have it. While I am not arguing that the study you are discussing is a landmark study with regards to transmission amongst undetectable couples, I caution people to think of this as "undetectable"= no transmission. Even though a viral load in a person may be undetectable, a person can still transmit the hiv virus. There is a huge danger than I am seeing in the younger population that they see being undetectable as a free pass of sorts to have sex however they please(mostly without protection). This is why other STIs are also on the rise. Just because a person might be undetectable at one stage does not mean that they will always be undetectable. Secondary infections, lifestyle, STIs and a host of other factors can change a person`s viral load dramatically. Unless the person is having regular follow-up they can easily cross that bridge to no longer being undetectable and transmit the hiv virus.

    That is my concern with this study.
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    Mar 28, 2015 6:47 PM GMT
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    CODY4U saidLove the slutty double entendre. This campaign truly knows how to appeal to its target demographic.


    You have to look real deep to find it a double entendre. And be a special kind of stigmatizing, slut shaming idiot to propel that theory forward.


    "Ironically, in a time when treatment is better than ever, people are missing out on the opportunity to access treatment by not knowing their status, due to the social stigma around HIV."
    "HIV serves as a vector for society's existing prejudices towards sexuality, sexual behavior, immigration, ethnicity and so on," he said. "The argument is that you can't think of HIV purely on the biomedical model because it's not just about the virus and the drugs."

    http://www.thebody.com/content/75616/new-guide-will-teach-docs-to-deal-with-hiv-shame-s.html?ic=700100


    Oh Timmy, you know it reads two ways:

    "Drop Your Load" as in bust a nut.

    "Drop Your Load" as in reduce viral load.

    But keep on slamming down that stigma card. Tell me, where is all this paralyzing fear of stigma when these guys are ass-swallowing raw anonymous cock through a hole in the wall??

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    Jetsbacker saidTimmm55, the stats here show a completely different picture to the one you are painting.

    http://www.catie.ca/en/fact-sheets/epidemiology/epidemiology-hiv-canada

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-06-20/news/ct-hiv-young-gay-men-met-20140620_1_new-hiv-hiv-rates-hiv-and-aids

    http://www.avert.org/european-hiv-aids-statistics.htm


    As you can see, the incidence of hiv is actually on the rise. I would also caution you with using CDC stats in the US as there have been flaws in the collecting methodology. The biggest issue with hiv stats is that they are notoriously underreported. People contract hiv and potentially go for years without being aware that they even have it. While I am not arguing that the study you are discussing is a landmark study with regards to transmission amongst undetectable couples, I caution people to think of this as "undetectable"= no transmission. Even though a viral load in a person may be undetectable, a person can still transmit the hiv virus. There is a huge danger than I am seeing in the younger population that they see being undetectable as a free pass of sorts to have sex however they please(mostly without protection). This is why other STIs are also on the rise. Just because a person might be undetectable at one stage does not mean that they will always be undetectable. Secondary infections, lifestyle, STIs and a host of other factors can change a person`s viral load dramatically. Unless the person is having regular follow-up they can easily cross that bridge to no longer being undetectable and transmit the hiv virus.

    That is my concern with this study.


    No they are not completely different.

    The Canada situation is odd and different. Dr. Julio Montaner is considered the "father of HIV medicine" as he invented the cocktail and the 3 pronged ART Therapy. TasP (Treatment as Prevention) has worked very well in Vancouver BC.
    But the rest of Canada is not doing as well.

    http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2015/02/canada-bc-treatment-as-prevention-strategy-gains-ground-on-hivaids.html

    The Chicago report is a perfect example of the problem....I cited similar studies.

    You apparently missed "The number of AIDS cases per 100,000 has continued to decline in Western Europe with the number stabilising in Central Europe. This is largely a result of the widespread availability of antiretroviral drugs in these regions. In Eastern Europe, the number of AIDS cases has been rising since 2009. - See more at: http://www.avert.org/european-hiv-aids-statistics.htm#sthash.yROck01V.dpuf
    You say "I would also caution you with using CDC stats in the US as there have been flaws in the collecting methodology."
    A link to THAT would be helpful. Especially since the CDC itself doesn't conduct testing.
    You say " The biggest issue with hiv stats is that they are notoriously underreported. People contract hiv and potentially go for years without being aware that they even have it."

    Every study acknowledges there are problems with under reporting. Nothing new. It's a universal problem.


    If you read anything about ART Therapy there are concerns with the cascade concerning drugs, stigma, homelessness, etc. The people who ARE virally suppressed see doctors every 3 or 4 months with labs and blood work. While clinically undetectable is approximately 30% nationally, it is 65% in Boston. "Since 2007, the rate of new HIV diagnoses has fallen in San Francisco, reaching 359 cases in 2013. The city does well in terms of the HIV care cascade, with an estimated 94% of people with HIV being diagnosed (compared with 86% for the US as a whole), 84-91% prescribed antiretroviral therapy and 62% achieving viral suppression (compared with 30% nationwide)."

    http://www.aidsmap.com/PrEP-use-rising-in-San-Francisco-but-scaling-up-could-further-cut-new-infections/page/2948287/

    Boston and San Francisco HIV new infection rates are DOWN.

    The BIG problem is: Do Black Lives Matter? Asks amfAR in New Report

    Multiple research studies have shown that, while Black gay men have substantially higher rates of new HIV infections than other gay men, this disproportionate HIV incidence cannot be explained by differences in risk behaviors. Instead, the high HIV incidence arises from the fact that so many Black gay men -- nearly one in three -- are already infected with the virus.
    Several other factors also contribute to high HIV incidence among Black gay men, according to the report. These include a history of neglect by institutions and communities, underfunding and lack of resources, lack of social support, higher rates of homelessness, and less access to healthcare than many other groups.

    http://www.edgeboston.com/news/aids/news//174197/do_black_lives_matter?_asks_amfar_in_new_report
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    Mar 28, 2015 8:58 PM GMT
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    timmm55 said
    CODY4U saidLove the slutty double entendre. This campaign truly knows how to appeal to its target demographic.


    You have to look real deep to find it a double entendre. And be a special kind of stigmatizing, slut shaming idiot to propel that theory forward.


    "Ironically, in a time when treatment is better than ever, people are missing out on the opportunity to access treatment by not knowing their status, due to the social stigma around HIV."
    "HIV serves as a vector for society's existing prejudices towards sexuality, sexual behavior, immigration, ethnicity and so on," he said. "The argument is that you can't think of HIV purely on the biomedical model because it's not just about the virus and the drugs."

    http://www.thebody.com/content/75616/new-guide-will-teach-docs-to-deal-with-hiv-shame-s.html?ic=700100


    Oh Timmy, you know it reads two ways:

    "Drop Your Load" as in bust a nut.

    "Drop Your Load" as in reduce viral load.

    But keep on slamming down that stigma card. Tell me, where is all this paralyzing fear of stigma when these guys are ass-swallowing raw anonymous cock through a hole in the wall??



    Big deal, we are adults here!

    I saw a bus stop ad for a power company that said "LOWER YOUR LOAD".

    I don't think it's all that slutty. That's a connection you made.
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    Mar 29, 2015 2:20 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    CODY4U said
    timmm55 said
    CODY4U saidLove the slutty double entendre. This campaign truly knows how to appeal to its target demographic.


    You have to look real deep to find it a double entendre. And be a special kind of stigmatizing, slut shaming idiot to propel that theory forward.


    "Ironically, in a time when treatment is better than ever, people are missing out on the opportunity to access treatment by not knowing their status, due to the social stigma around HIV."
    "HIV serves as a vector for society's existing prejudices towards sexuality, sexual behavior, immigration, ethnicity and so on," he said. "The argument is that you can't think of HIV purely on the biomedical model because it's not just about the virus and the drugs."

    http://www.thebody.com/content/75616/new-guide-will-teach-docs-to-deal-with-hiv-shame-s.html?ic=700100


    Oh Timmy, you know it reads two ways:

    "Drop Your Load" as in bust a nut.

    "Drop Your Load" as in reduce viral load.

    But keep on slamming down that stigma card. Tell me, where is all this paralyzing fear of stigma when these guys are ass-swallowing raw anonymous cock through a hole in the wall??



    Big deal, we are adults here!

    I saw a bus stop ad for a power company that said "LOWER YOUR LOAD".

    I don't think it's all that slutty. That's a connection you made.


    Double meaning.
    Like "no one is swallowing timm's load"

    Meaning no one is believing you!
    Meaning two no one is attracted to timm or wanting to swallow an unsafe sex guy's load!
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    Mar 29, 2015 7:29 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike said
    timmm55 said
    CODY4U said
    timmm55 said
    CODY4U saidLove the slutty double entendre. This campaign truly knows how to appeal to its target demographic.


    You have to look real deep to find it a double entendre. And be a special kind of stigmatizing, slut shaming idiot to propel that theory forward.


    "Ironically, in a time when treatment is better than ever, people are missing out on the opportunity to access treatment by not knowing their status, due to the social stigma around HIV."
    "HIV serves as a vector for society's existing prejudices towards sexuality, sexual behavior, immigration, ethnicity and so on," he said. "The argument is that you can't think of HIV purely on the biomedical model because it's not just about the virus and the drugs."

    http://www.thebody.com/content/75616/new-guide-will-teach-docs-to-deal-with-hiv-shame-s.html?ic=700100


    Oh Timmy, you know it reads two ways:

    "Drop Your Load" as in bust a nut.

    "Drop Your Load" as in reduce viral load.

    But keep on slamming down that stigma card. Tell me, where is all this paralyzing fear of stigma when these guys are ass-swallowing raw anonymous cock through a hole in the wall??



    Big deal, we are adults here!

    I saw a bus stop ad for a power company that said "LOWER YOUR LOAD".

    I don't think it's all that slutty. That's a connection you made.


    Double meaning.
    Like "no one is swallowing timm's load"

    Meaning no one is believing you!
    Meaning two no one is attracted to timm or wanting to swallow an unsafe sex guy's load!



    You don't know sh##....obviously.

    I do just fine. There's a whole other world out there of POZ guys who serosort with other POZ guys...who want nothing to do with stupid Negative guys like you. Once you reach undetectable, as I have for 10 years, there isn't the guilt and fear you experience.


    When you say in your profile "Gotta be neg dd free. std free!!" your ignorance is apparent. That's the same crap I see on Craigslist all the time. When was the last time you were tested? You'll be one of the 50,000 new HIV infections this year or the the next. It's just a matter of time.

    I'm "safer" than you are, even if you got tested yesterday.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Mar 30, 2015 7:11 PM GMT
    He is giving false information out. Try and volunteer at a center like GMHC! It's uninformed assholes like this OP that spread information and disease to young men.
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    MikemikeMike saidHe is giving false information out. Try and volunteer at a center like GMHC! It's uninformed assholes like this OP that spread information and disease to young men.


    So what is the "right" information?

    It's the young and untested who are spreading it, largely among themselves.

    Anyone who serosorts by "DDF" is inherently at risk.

    "ACON does not endorse serosorting in casual sexual encounters as an effective HIV prevention
    strategy for HIV negative men, on the grounds that ascertaining the current HIV negative status of
    even a familiar casual partner is inherently unreliable."


    "There are multiple benefits associated with obtaining and maintaining an UVL, especially for individuals but also for the broader community. These benefits are primarily improved health outcomes for people living with HIV (PLHIV)
    and a low risk of onward transmission of HIV."

    http://www.acon.org.au/sites/default/files/Position-Statement-Undetectable-Viral-Load-2014.pdf



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    Double meaning.
    Like "no one is swallowing timm's load"

    Meaning two no one is attracted to timm or wanting to swallow an unsafe sex guy's load!


    This was a completely unwarranted personal attack.

    I suggest you put forth some effort to maintain your opposition to the argument instead of stooping to juvenile ad hominem attacks.



    Mike came out with this brilliant piece of information "HIV is a virus and viruses can mutate!"

    To say he's on a slow learning curve is a great under estimation.
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    Mar 31, 2015 5:29 AM GMT
    Ask a real doc not a realjock. I have spoke to a virologist about this very topic. Maybe you should do the same, either way I don't give a shit what you do you ignorant trite SOB.
    HIV is a retro virus! People with UVL can still become poz in the future. HIV antiviral drugs are not a cure. They accelerate the ability for HIV to mutate. The more they are used the less time and money are spent on a cure.icon_idea.gif
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    MikemikeMike saidAsk a real doc not a realjock. I have spoke to a virologist about this very topic. Maybe you should do the same, either way I don't give a shit what you do you ignorant trite SOB.
    HIV is a retro virus! People with UVL can still become poz in the future. HIV antiviral drugs are not a cure. They accelerate the ability for HIV to mutate. The more they are used the less time and money are spent on a cure.icon_idea.gif




    I suggest Dr Joel, his comments to you will be short and to the point.
    http://hivforum.tumblr.com/

    "People with UVL can still become poz in the future."
    1) With UVL it's POZ/undetectable....still POZ. It isn't gone, you will still test positive.

    "HIV antiviral drugs are not a cure."
    2) It's not a cure. it's not a vaccine.

    "They (antivirals) accelerate the ability for HIV to mutate."
    3) You are confused by 2 issues.
    a)Study: HIV Mutations Weaken Virus
    http://www.voanews.com/content/is-hiv-getting-weaker-2dec14/2542815.html
    b) Noncompliance can cause resistance. That's individual mutation, not broad based resistant.

    "The more they are used the less time and money are spent on a cure"
    4) Antivirals have saved millions of lives. And prevented millions of transmissions. In the absence of a cure/vaccine it is by far the best solution to the end of the HIV epidemic.
    A "cure" may never happen. Every few months there is a new potential cure, none have materialized. So we should not fund TasP until a cure is found?

    HIV treatment has been proven so successful that in many parts of the world HIV has become a chronic condition in which progression to AIDS has become increasingly rare. Anthony Fauci, head of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases has written "With collective and resolute action now and a steadfast commitment for years to come, an AIDS-free generation is indeed within reach." In the same paper he notes that an estimated 700,000 lives were saved in 2010 alone due to antiretroviral therapy.[2] As another commentary in The Lancet noted, "Rather than dealing with acute and potentially life-threatening complications, clinicians are now confronted with managing a chronic disease that in the absence of a cure will persist for many decades"[3]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management_of_HIV/AIDS
  • MikemikeMike

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    Apr 01, 2015 11:18 AM GMT
    Cut and paste genius. You're an idiot. Read a book. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. You've wasted yours!icon_idea.gif
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    MikemikeMike saidCut and paste genius. You're an idiot. Read a book. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. You've wasted yours!icon_idea.gif


    I provide links! With pertinent paragraph(s). As required to emphasize or prove a point.

    I research HIV research.

    If you think your experience with the GMHC is evidential, go to their web site and search "HIV undetectable" you will find nothing.