Holy Week: The Passion of Jesus

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    Mar 26, 2015 1:57 AM GMT
    From the "biblical Jesus being a composite of people made historical by Josephus" perspective, here is the Passion narrative:

    But, what is still more terrible, there was one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian and a husbandman, who, four years before the war began, and at a time when the city was in very great peace and prosperity, came to that feast whereon it is our custom for every one to make tabernacles to God in the temple, began on a sudden to cry aloud, "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds (See Matthew 24: 27 and 31), a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against this whole people!" This was his cry, as he went about by day and by night, in all the lanes of the city.

    However, certain of the most eminent among the populace had great indignation at this dire cry of his, and took up the man, and gave him a great number of severe stripes; yet did not he either say any thing for himself, or any thing peculiar to those that chastised him, but still went on with the same words which he cried before.

    Hereupon our rulers, supposing, as the case proved to be, that this was a sort of divine fury in the man, brought him to the Roman procurator, where he was whipped till his bones were laid bare; yet he did not make any supplication for himself, nor shed any tears, but turning his voice to the most lamentable tone possible, at every stroke of the whip his answer was, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" And when Albinus (for he was then our procurator) asked him, Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words? he made no manner of reply to what he said, but still did not leave off his melancholy ditty, till Albinus took him to be a madman, and dismissed him.


    If someone is looking for source material for the gospels, look to Josephus. The above is but one example. Besides, Josephus wrote speeches in his histories. Speeches and sayings of Jesus would be within his capabilities to write. The "Oral Tradition," and given, gospels were written when Josephus could read them, the gospels make at least one reference to the account of Josephus (Q source) about the scourging of Jesus son of Ananus and Jesus son of Ananus quiet before a procurator.

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    Mar 28, 2015 10:00 AM GMT
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    I think the “salvation theology” found in the Bible is secondary to the actual message of Jesus..which in my opinion was the kingdom of God on earth. If more of us emphasized that and lived as though that were the important message Jesus brought, the world would be an entirely different place then it is now and has been since Jesus died. Salvation theology is “ego” driven. It’s kind of like capitalism is “greed” driven.

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    The Son of Man Movement towards the Kingdom of the God of Israel was a colossal fail. Visit youtube. Search WBFbySteefen. See the video presentation "Zeitgeist Aquarius: Josephus did not like Christianity; Jesus renounced his religion." The title is likely to change or a new version of the video presentation may be posted. Currently, that is the most current version, but look for the latest upload on Josephus.

    The notion of salvation gives Christianity its reason for being:

    give me salvation when I need saving
    because my father died,

    give me salvation when I need saving
    because I lost a job,

    give me salvation when I need saving
    because I lost my way,

    give me salvation when I need saving
    because societal powers do things that harm individuals in society and/or society at large (ruin of souls--see St. Michael's prayer),

    give me salvation when I need saving
    because I'm a caretaker,
    save my failing endurance and strength...