BeardAndBarbell saidJust read that they now think it might've been the co-pilot doing it on purpose. The Captain was locked out of the cockpit apparently
Art_Deco saidBeardAndBarbell saidJust read that they now think it might've been the co-pilot doing it on purpose. The Captain was locked out of the cockpit apparently
And banging on the door trying to get back in. The cockpit door on the Airbus can't accidentally lock, and there's an override keypad on the outside. That can be disabled from the inside for 5 minutes, requiring a deliberate extra step by a crew member. So it seems the co-pilot was conscious, and locked the door himself in a way to temporarily prevent use of the override keypad.
If so, that must have been a horrifying last few minutes for the passengers & crew. Another reason I avoid air travel anymore.
paulflexes saidI've got two airline flights next week.
Maybe I should just take the small plane instead.
neffa saidNot good for Lufthansa business , Airbus must be feeling better .
Everyday , 100.000 flights will take off and land in the world , flying is still the safest way of transportation .
Suetonius saidpaulflexes saidI've got two airline flights next week.
Maybe I should just take the small plane instead.
You might want to avoid flying on Lufthansa. The crash would not have happened if Lufthansa followed the same rule as applies to all US carriers, and most other countries as well - that when a pilot leaves the cockpit, another crew member must enter and remain there until he comes back. Lufthansa did not want to inconvenience its crew members, so 150 people die. One might think, that after this disaster (just like the EgyptAir suicide crash of several years ago) that Lufthansa might immediately adopt this safe practice followed by the rest of the world. But no. They are "thinking about it."
It was Lufthansa's negligence. Too bad that under the Warsaw convention (designed to protect airline companies from having to pay for their accidents) relatives of passengers are severely limited in what they could get out of Lufthansa.
Bunjamon saidneffa saidNot good for Lufthansa business , Airbus must be feeling better .
Everyday , 100.000 flights will take off and land in the world , flying is still the safest way of transportation .
Preach.Suetonius saidpaulflexes saidI've got two airline flights next week.
Maybe I should just take the small plane instead.
You might want to avoid flying on Lufthansa. The crash would not have happened if Lufthansa followed the same rule as applies to all US carriers, and most other countries as well - that when a pilot leaves the cockpit, another crew member must enter and remain there until he comes back. Lufthansa did not want to inconvenience its crew members, so 150 people die. One might think, that after this disaster (just like the EgyptAir suicide crash of several years ago) that Lufthansa might immediately adopt this safe practice followed by the rest of the world. But no. They are "thinking about it."
It was Lufthansa's negligence. Too bad that under the Warsaw convention (designed to protect airline companies from having to pay for their accidents) relatives of passengers are severely limited in what they could get out of Lufthansa.
This is misleading, and totally unproven. Lufthansa is arguably the safest airline in the world. There is no way to know if following the protocol of US airlines would have saved the passengers on that flight. If the pilot were hell bent on crashing the plane, he could probably easily have subdued the crew member in the cockpit with him, who likely wouldn't have been on his or her guard.
paulflexes saidI've got two airline flights next week.
Maybe I should just take the small plane instead.
Suetonius said
Unproven? What's "unproven"? That a safety regulation always prevents what it is supposed to prevent?
If co-pilot Lubitz couldn't be alone in the cockpit, it is much more likely that he would have killed himself somewhere else - otherwise risking that he would have had to fight, and might not be successful in his suicide attempt.
Bunjamon saidSuetonius said
Unproven? What's "unproven"? That a safety regulation always prevents what it is supposed to prevent?
If co-pilot Lubitz couldn't be alone in the cockpit, it is much more likely that he would have killed himself somewhere else - otherwise risking that he would have had to fight, and might not be successful in his suicide attempt.
Safety regulations exist to mitigate risk, but they do not eliminate risk. "Would have, could have, should have" does not work in situations like this one. There is absolutely no proof that following a different safety procedure would have prevented a man from allegedly committing suicide with a plane and killing all passengers on board. It's a tragic accident. Lufthansa may decide to implement a new safety procedure in the future, but it is no guarantee that another similar incident won't occur again.
The fact remains that you are far more likely to die in the car that is taking you to the airport than in a plane.
bro4bro saidThe investigators haven't told us everything they know. They've listened to the flight recorder; they said they could hear the co-pilot breathing until the end. But somehow they haven't told us what the pilot and co-pilot said to each other before the pilot left the cockpit.
No pilot would just get up and walk out of the cockpit in the middle of a flight without saying anything to the co-pilot. Either he had some reason to leave, or the co-pilot found some pretext to get him out of the way.
What did they say to each other?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Ex_Mil8 saidOf course this is a very tragic occurrence, but it is also an infinitesimally rare one. I bet hundreds of people around the world are killed by suicidal motorists every year and I've never heard anyone suggesting drivers ought to be be accompanied by another driver at all times or be psychologically screened.
This is why Al-Qaeda are still fixated on bringing down commercial airliners, because they know it plays on the irrational fears most people have surrounding air travel, despite the overwhelming evidence that it is, by far, the safest means of travel.
JuanPablomv89 saidIm very grateful to God that everything went well when I took 5 flights to arrive home from Tahiti none of the airplanes crashed like this one. Three long days of flying and waiting at the airport gates. I work for the Tourism and Travel industrylol
LAXWill10 said
There's a difference between Suicidal motorists and suicidal pilots. Simply put, you can Escape or run away from the crazed motorists and most of these accidents are 1 on 1 rate. Motorists and car accidents happen everyday and in most cases, they're not that fatal. Unless if you drive like 110 miles and slammed into someone. Now with airline situation, you're on a airplane, you're giving your safety and your life to the Pilot/Captain. You have no say whatsoever sitting in First class or coach. It's important to have psychological tests done on Pilots, captains because it's happened in the past. Pilots suicide, pilots revenge on getting fired or he's just gone crazy. And beside if you fall like 30,000 feet from the air into the ocean or mountains, chances of you being alive is pretty SLIM. In other words, Plane crashes are just FATAL with more casualties and you can't really avoid it. So People take it 100% more seriously.
Ex_Mil8 saidLAXWill10 said
Statistically, you are many more times likely to die in a car crash than you are in a plane crash.
Not only are aircraft crashes very rare, but if you are unfortunate enough to be involved in one, then statistically, you have a 96% chance of surviving it.
LOL said you !!, dude are you sure of this statistic LOL?? ?? and even if you survived the plane crash, what are you going to eat or do if you're stranded on a mountain or in the Forrest?? Resort to cannibalism like the Crash in the Andes in 1972??
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