Montreal students protest austerity, riot police sent in - not a damn thing about it on US media

  • tj85016

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    Mar 26, 2015 3:09 PM GMT
    http://rt.com/news/243781-montreal-students-austerity-police/

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/montreal-students-protest-for-second-night-police-disperse-crowds-1.2295859

    too touchy for the US media to cover it I suppose
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    Mar 27, 2015 12:15 PM GMT
    not enough shock value is more like it. There's no way to paint it as affecting us locally or having the potential to in the future.
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    Mar 27, 2015 1:10 PM GMT
    Of course the other reason they aren't covering it - the students are morons.

    They interviewed the leader of one of the main student associations driving the protests.

    He didn't know how much of the annual provincial budget is currently being spent *just* paying the interest on the current debt load. He didn't know how much money the province owes.

    He was doing the completely typical "We don't like it, so it must be wrong" Quebec Student Union approach to *anything*

    I'm guessing he'd be all for continuing to spend as if we actually had huge sums of money, until he wakes up one morning and realizes that to keep the province from going bankrupt, they have had to increase his income tax to 80%. *THEN* he'd be all "Why didn't you decrease the debt?" even though he's complaining about it now.

    Add to this the INANE idea that just because 500 students out of a university of 35 000 actually *voted* to have a "strike", and as such they think they can *physically* intimidate the other 34 500 who just want to go to class so they can finish their year without losing class time they already paid for....bunch of idiot goons. Of course, it should be noted that *most* of the people who voted for the strike are studying in departments with nearly *zero* chance of future employment, so no wonder they don't want cutbacks in things like Welfare - they are so going to need it, it isn't funny. The Film Studies, Philosophy, and Gender Studies programs *really* turn out graduates necessary to the continued functioning of our society...*NOT*.

    During the *last* major student protests in 2012, there were thousands of students protesting because Quebec was going to raise it's tuition fees, the lowest in North America, gradually over a couple of years by basically about $2.59 a day. Of course, as we saw on the news, they were protesting this $2.59 a day increase while wearing their $600 Canada Goose jacket, a $5.40 Starbucks *something* in one hand, and their $700 Iphone with $70/month data plan in the other. Funny, I don't recall being able to afford luxuries when I was in university - I had classes to pay. Oh right, I forgot, it's up to everybody *else* to pay for your degree, just because you're a precious snauxflake that nobody has ever said "NO" to....sigh.

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    Mar 27, 2015 9:14 PM GMT
    Doctor9 saidOh right, I forgot, it's up to everybody *else* to pay for your degree, just because you're a precious snauxflake that nobody has ever said "NO" to....sigh.

    Doctor9


    Without necessarily disagreeing with the rest of your post, which makes some valid points about these very low tuition costs, this last premise that you're leaving us with is problematic. The reason "everybody else should pay for your degree" -at least to some extent- is because tuition -whether it's for university or trade school- is intended to give someone a start in life, who would otherwise have no experience, knowledge, or skills to get a job in the first place. At least not a job that you can actually support yourself with. If you want people to be productive members of society and pay taxes, you need to invest in them first. Otherwise, only people with familial wealth would be able to do so. Society itself benefits, because you're scoping talent from the general population...people that wouldn't otherwise be able to afford a degree on their own.

    tj85016 saidhttp://rt.com/news/243781-montreal-students-austerity-police/

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/montreal-students-protest-for-second-night-police-disperse-crowds-1.2295859

    too touchy for the US media to cover it I suppose


    The US media serves the military-industrial complex, and is less likely to report foreign developments stories that don't serve this goal. I'm not saying this is always the case, but many stories go unreported if they don't support the propaganda narrative that the media is relegated to dispense. With the US media now trying to sell a war with Iran to the American public, there's no room for a mere student tuition controversy in Canada.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 28, 2015 4:46 PM GMT
    That is because Montreal is percieved the exact same way as the rest of Canada, clean peaceful sane and much safer than the U.S.
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    Mar 28, 2015 5:43 PM GMT
    Even given our low tuition costs, I can assure you that I was paying for a sizable chunk of my education with student loans because my family was *not* wealthy by any stretch of the definition.

    Yes, I had to pay them off over the next 10 years. So - luxuries got held off there too, for a little while.

    So obviously, I know exactly where they are coming from - I also know I didn't spend on luxuries when I was in University - because I understood that at that time - that was the most important thing to be spending on - not the newest trendy *anything*.

    What has always made the Quebec student argument amusing is in Ontario, where tution fees are nearly double ours, the # of students in university is higher, and of those that attend, more actually get their degree. Hmm...maybe because they realize it costs money and might be good to put the effort in? Maybe because they aren't as generous with welfare, so people realize that maybe being another unemployed Philosophy graduate isn't a financially appealing objective?

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  • conservativej...

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    Mar 28, 2015 6:09 PM GMT
    Well, rest assured, whomever is paying for that degree is likely paying for a degree that does not nor ever will provide the student with a useful skillset. Of course I am defining "useful" in the economic sense.

    Fortunately there remain a few sane locales on this earth. :-)
  • PIccadilly

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    Mar 28, 2015 8:57 PM GMT
    Students protesting in Quebec isn't exactly news.

    But I can't really blame them. Higher education is such a broken system.
  • tj85016

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    Mar 28, 2015 9:49 PM GMT
    ^^

    higher education is a broken system and has become nothing more than a con game and a racket - just like healthcare

    I thought it was news, but the US media is more interested in selling war and 24/7 coverage of some idiot German pilot
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 29, 2015 12:14 AM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    higher education is a broken system and has become nothing more than a con game and a racket - just like healthcare

    I thought it was news, but the US media is more interested in selling war and 24/7 coverage of some idiot German pilot
    That idiot German pilot took several innocent lives along with his own. That is far more newsworthy than some small student revolt in Montreal.
  • Joeyphx444

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    Mar 29, 2015 2:14 AM GMT
    Tuition is going up in the USA too, Montreal is not special icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Joeyphx444

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    Mar 29, 2015 2:15 AM GMT
    jjguy05 said
    Doctor9 saidOh right, I forgot, it's up to everybody *else* to pay for your degree, just because you're a precious snauxflake that nobody has ever said "NO" to....sigh.

    Doctor9


    Without necessarily disagreeing with the rest of your post, which makes some valid points about these very low tuition costs, this last premise that you're leaving us with is problematic. The reason "everybody else should pay for your degree" -at least to some extent- is because tuition -whether it's for university or trade school- is intended to give someone a start in life, who would otherwise have no experience, knowledge, or skills to get a job in the first place. At least not a job that you can actually support yourself with. If you want people to be productive members of society and pay taxes, you need to invest in them first. Otherwise, only people with familial wealth would be able to do so. Society itself benefits, because you're scoping talent from the general population...people that wouldn't otherwise be able to afford a degree on their own.

    tj85016 saidhttp://rt.com/news/243781-montreal-students-austerity-police/

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/montreal-students-protest-for-second-night-police-disperse-crowds-1.2295859

    too touchy for the US media to cover it I suppose


    The US media serves the military-industrial complex, and is less likely to report foreign developments stories that don't serve this goal. I'm not saying this is always the case, but many stories go unreported if they don't support the propaganda narrative that the media is relegated to dispense. With the US media now trying to sell a war with Iran to the American public, there's no room for a mere student tuition controversy in Canada.



    Well of course the media doesn't cover stories THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO with US
  • tj85016

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    Mar 29, 2015 2:50 AM GMT
    ^^

    lol, oh really?
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    Mar 29, 2015 2:53 AM GMT
    Joeyphx444 saidTuition is going up in the USA too, Montreal is not special icon_rolleyes.gif
    So is my penis, after looking at you profile pic. icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 29, 2015 2:54 AM GMT
    It may simply be the fact that a minor student protest in Montreal is not newsworthy. Nobody died and the University was not overthrow.
  • jjguy05

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    Mar 29, 2015 3:58 AM GMT
    Joeyphx444 said


    Well of course the media doesn't cover stories THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO with US


    You sure about that?

    FLgator saidIt may simply be the fact that a minor student protest in Montreal is not newsworthy. Nobody died and the University was not overthrow.


    OTOH, celebrity gossip and tan mom are sooo important, that the media makes sensible editorial decisions to publish them.

    Look, the media is corporate. They're gonna promote stories that drive ratings and also enhance -or at least don't hurt- the business interests of the medium's parent company and advertisers, or don't seriously challenge the status quo within which the parent company and its advertisers thrive. There's also the case where stories, fabricated by special interests, are planted into the media system. It's not rocket science. You're right that the Montreal student protests were not a fatal avent. But there's far more serious stories that don't get reported.