Politico: Obama's Mideast 'free fall'

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    Mar 27, 2015 1:17 PM GMT
    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/barack-obama-yemen-isil-middle-east-116440.html

    Barack Obama faces a slew of Middle East crises that some call the worst in a generation, as new chaos from Yemen to Iraq — along with deteriorating U.S.-Israeli relations — is confounding the president’s efforts to stabilize the region and strike a nuclear deal with Iran.

    The meltdown has Obama officials defending their management of a region that some call impossible to control, even as critics say U.S. policies there are partly to blame for the spreading anarchy.

    “If there’s one lesson this administration has learned, from President Obama’s 2009 Cairo speech through the Arab Spring, it’s that when it comes to this region, nothing happens in a linear way — and precious little is actually about us, which is a hard reality to accept,” said a senior State Department official.

    Not everyone is so forgiving. “We’re in a goddamn free fall here,” said James Jeffrey, who served as Obama’s ambassador to Iraq and was a top national security aide in the George W. Bush White House.

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  • Antarktis

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    Mar 27, 2015 7:44 PM GMT
    In the ancient world it was worth a dawn. Today. Nuke em and try to save the archeological sites.
  • Antarktis

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    Mar 27, 2015 7:46 PM GMT
    My plan for north Africa ...just as bright.
  • ASHDOD

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    Mar 27, 2015 7:47 PM GMT
    not supporting Mubarac ,supporting Mursy [the muslim brother's president in Egypt] the withdrow from Iraq and Afganistan ,stirring things up in diffrent directions [Assad and Syria]Lybia a mess..
    Iran on its way to nuclear wepon
    and thats only part of the middle east, what about Ukrane..

    part of the problems obama created.
    and yet he still thinks israel is the problem?
  • Antarktis

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    Mar 27, 2015 7:52 PM GMT
    We put up with this shit because its politically incorrect to say it's wrong.
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 27, 2015 7:53 PM GMT
    Yep. And so does James Baker and most foreign policy advisors to the Republicans prior to baby Bush. This is the fault of the neocons as much as anyone. And the mindless, childish Republicans who's answer is to bomb and send in Americans anywhere there's unrest.
  • Antarktis

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    Mar 27, 2015 8:17 PM GMT
    Bullshit.
  • Antarktis

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    Mar 27, 2015 8:18 PM GMT
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    Mar 27, 2015 8:29 PM GMT
    It's just egomaniac ambition. Nothing we have done to try to make the world "just like us" has panned out in my life time. Making the same mistake over and over is insanity. In the current mess we are fighting soldiers we have trained and armed. Since it's liberals instigating the wars now we don't have an anti -war media voice to oppose it. Just crazy ass Obama doing his emperor of the world thing.
  • bobbobbob

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    Mar 27, 2015 8:40 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidYep. And so does James Baker and most foreign policy advisors to the Republicans prior to baby Bush. This is the fault of the neocons as much as anyone. And the mindless, childish Republicans who's answer is to bomb and send in Americans anywhere there's unrest.


    I'm beginning to see the recurrent theme in your comments....

    "We didn't do it! They did! It's their fault! Blame them! They fucked things up! Now we are going over here and stick our fingers back up in our butts and do nothing until the next time someone needs us to play the blame game."
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 27, 2015 9:16 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    Destinharbor saidYep. And so does James Baker and most foreign policy advisors to the Republicans prior to baby Bush. This is the fault of the neocons as much as anyone. And the mindless, childish Republicans who's answer is to bomb and send in Americans anywhere there's unrest.


    I'm beginning to see the recurrent theme in your comments....

    "We didn't do it! They did! It's their fault! Blame them! They fucked things up! Now we are going over here and stick our fingers back up in our butts and do nothing until the next time someone needs us to play the blame game."

    Your complete denial of reality is astounding. You and Bush and your neocon friends started this mess with the lies told about Iraq. Once stability had been broken, the rest is a cascade of petty religious factions fighting for power and wealth. Because Obama can't snap his fingers and make it all better, you bitch and blame. Well, he's kept us out of northern Africa when you wanted to send troups, he's kept us out of Syria when you wanted to send troups, he's not bombed Iran as you want, and he's reduced our combat troups to 1/20th of what you had there when he took office. He got Bin Laden. Baker agrees. So does Colin Powell. So do all responsible thinkers of both parties (though not the dominant Republicans today). You even thought it awful when he tries to make peace with Iran. You hated it when the Saudi's actually contributed for once. I think the less men and treasure we waste on this uncivilized bunch, the better. You just love war.
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    Mar 27, 2015 9:18 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    Destinharbor saidYep. And so does James Baker and most foreign policy advisors to the Republicans prior to baby Bush. This is the fault of the neocons as much as anyone. And the mindless, childish Republicans who's answer is to bomb and send in Americans anywhere there's unrest.


    I'm beginning to see the recurrent theme in your comments....

    "We didn't do it! They did! It's their fault! Blame them! They fucked things up! Now we are going over here and stick our fingers back up in our butts and do nothing until the next time someone needs us to play the blame game."


    Don't put something in quotes if they didn't say it, a^^hole.

    Part of it certainly is what Bush did, and Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter et al. It's always been a Hot Spot. Thanks to ISIS and others it's been a lot hotter.
  • Antarktis

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    Mar 27, 2015 9:38 PM GMT
    timmm55 said
    bobbobbob said
    Destinharbor saidYep. And so does James Baker and most foreign policy advisors to the Republicans prior to baby Bush. This is the fault of the neocons as much as anyone. And the mindless, childish Republicans who's answer is to bomb and send in Americans anywhere there's unrest.


    I'm beginning to see the recurrent theme in your comments....

    "We didn't do it! They did! It's their fault! Blame them! They fucked things up! Now we are going over here and stick our fingers back up in our butts and do nothing until the next time someone needs us to play the blame game."


    Don't put something in quotes if they didn't say it, a^^hole.

    Part of it certainly is what Bush did, and Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter et al. It's always been a Hot Spot. Thanks to ISIS and others it's been a lot hotter.


    Pointing fingers is chasing one's own tail.
  • Antarktis

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    Mar 27, 2015 9:39 PM GMT
    timmm55 said
    bobbobbob said
    Destinharbor saidYep. And so does James Baker and most foreign policy advisors to the Republicans prior to baby Bush. This is the fault of the neocons as much as anyone. And the mindless, childish Republicans who's answer is to bomb and send in Americans anywhere there's unrest.


    I'm beginning to see the recurrent theme in your comments....

    "We didn't do it! They did! It's their fault! Blame them! They fucked things up! Now we are going over here and stick our fingers back up in our butts and do nothing until the next time someone needs us to play the blame game."


    Don't put something in quotes if they didn't say it, a^^hole.

    Part of it certainly is what Bush did, and Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter et al. It's always been a Hot Spot. Thanks to ISIS and others it's been a lot hotter.


    Pointing fingers is chasing one's own tail.
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    Mar 28, 2015 2:18 AM GMT
    Surely it's Bush's fault.
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    Mar 28, 2015 2:22 AM GMT
    The only reasonable option is to cut taxes on the 1% and CRIMINALIZE ABORTION.

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    Mar 28, 2015 4:46 AM GMT
    Destinharbor said
    bobbobbob said
    Destinharbor saidYep. And so does James Baker and most foreign policy advisors to the Republicans prior to baby Bush. This is the fault of the neocons as much as anyone. And the mindless, childish Republicans who's answer is to bomb and send in Americans anywhere there's unrest.


    I'm beginning to see the recurrent theme in your comments....

    "We didn't do it! They did! It's their fault! Blame them! They fucked things up! Now we are going over here and stick our fingers back up in our butts and do nothing until the next time someone needs us to play the blame game."

    Your complete denial of reality is astounding. You and Bush and your neocon friends started this mess with the lies told about Iraq. Once stability had been broken, the rest is a cascade of petty religious factions fighting for power and wealth. Because Obama can't snap his fingers and make it all better, you bitch and blame. Well, he's kept us out of northern Africa when you wanted to send troups, he's kept us out of Syria when you wanted to send troups, he's not bombed Iran as you want, and he's reduced our combat troups to 1/20th of what you had there when he took office. He got Bin Laden. Baker agrees. So does Colin Powell. So do all responsible thinkers of both parties (though not the dominant Republicans today). You even thought it awful when he tries to make peace with Iran. You hated it when the Saudi's actually contributed for once. I think the less men and treasure we waste on this uncivilized bunch, the better. You just love war.


    "You and Bush and your neocon friends started this mess with the lies told about Iraq"



  • charrismd

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    Mar 28, 2015 4:54 AM GMT
    So, then, WHAT is the solution? I know what the problem is.
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    Mar 28, 2015 5:07 AM GMT
    charrismd saidSo, then, WHAT is the solution? I know what the problem is.


    I don't think there is one.
  • conservativej...

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    Mar 28, 2015 5:59 PM GMT
    Although I do not disagree with your observations of one Barack Obama and the state of the Middle-East, keep in mind his purpose in this world has nothing to do with what had been acceptable concern and action of a U.S. President. He has the mindset of the loudest liberals here on R.J. after all. He and they are one.

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  • ASHDOD

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    Mar 28, 2015 9:03 PM GMT
    charrismd saidSo, then, WHAT is the solution? I know what the problem is.


    It just could be handled much better
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 28, 2015 9:22 PM GMT
    Ashdod said
    charrismd saidSo, then, WHAT is the solution? I know what the problem is.


    It just could be handled much better

    Like Baby Bush did? Who want to volunteer to be in the next group of 3,000 slaughtered Americans sent for no reason?
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Mar 28, 2015 9:22 PM GMT
    My one take away from spending years studying foreign policy...... 'you don't fix foreign policy problems, you manage them.' With that school of thought being the basis for American foreign policy for decades, Obama's efforts, or lack thereof in the Middle East, have been an unmitigated failure. Not that he bares sole responsibility, but the US has this schizophrenic way of dealing with foreign policy problems, and he has made it worse.
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    Mar 28, 2015 11:02 PM GMT
    The phrase "Obama's Mideast" uses the a possessive. When Obama gain ownership of the Mideast?
  • jjguy05

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    Mar 29, 2015 4:28 AM GMT
    BIG_N_TALL saidMy one take away from spending years studying foreign policy...... 'you don't fix foreign policy problems, you manage them.' With that school of thought being the basis for American foreign policy for decades, Obama's efforts, or lack thereof in the Middle East, have been an unmitigated failure. Not that he bares sole responsibility, but the US has this schizophrenic way of dealing with foreign policy problems, and he has made it worse.


    Let alone all the brutal dictatorships we've installed in the region over the years; all the wars we promoted while secretly supporting both sides of a conflict and selling arms to both sides; all the people we've killed through bombs and sanctions and embargoes that have only strengthened anti-American sentiment; all the extremist groups that we trained and funded to fight the Soviets during the Cold War, the same groups that we're now fighting ourselves...I suppose none of this is part of the curriculum at the University of Armchair, where you spent years "studying" foreign policy.

    Antarktis saidIn the ancient world it was worth a dawn. Today. Nuke em and try to save the archeological sites.


    Nuke 'em for the problems you brought to them?

    Antarktis said

    Pointing fingers is chasing one's own tail.


    Oh. My. Gawd. You are like sooooo wise.

    You don't have to type anything more, because this one-liner makes you the wisest guy here. icon_rolleyes.gif


    rkyjockdn said

    The meltdown has Obama officials defending their management of a region that some call impossible to control...



    Their management of a region? I didn't know Obama was president of the Middle East.

    rkyjockdn said

    Barack Obama faces a slew of Middle East crises that some call the worst in a generation, as new chaos from Yemen to Iraq —...


    Yes. And you want us to believe that that downward spiral started in 2009.

    rkyjockdn said...along with deteriorating U.S.-Israeli relations...


    Oh no! Relations are deteriorating with Israel! We need to fix this! Because the US benefits tremendously from its relationship with Israel! (Not the other way around!) It's the US that needs to bend over backwards to make Israel happy!

    Ashdod saidnot supporting Mubarac ,supporting Mursy (the muslim brother's president in Egypt)



    ...who's now gone, and has been replaced with a Mubarak-like president, General Sisi.


    Ashdod said
    the withdrow from Iraq...


    ...which was officiated by the Bush administration before Obama took office, since Iraq wouldn't sign a SOTU agreement. Let alone that the Bush administration's US invasion of Iraq -which was based on lies- created this whole mess in the first place.

    And learn how to spell.



    Ashdod saidand Afganistan.../cite]


    ...which the CIA fucked up back in the 70s, and Reagan further fucked it up in the 80s, but which hasn't been making much news lately.


    Ashdod said
    ,stirring things up in diffrent directions [Assad and Syria]Lybia a mess..


    ...with full blessings from Congressional Republicans, who are now distancing themselves from the same Syria/Libya policies that they aggressively promoted.


    Ashdod said
    Iran on its way to nuclear wepon


    ...which Israel already has, and Iran isn't stupid enough to attack nuclearized countries like the US or Israel, no matter what the domestic rhetoric.

    Ashdod said
    and thats only part of the middle east, what about Ukrane..



    What about Ukraine?

    Ashdod said
    and yet he still thinks israel is the problem?


    The entire world does.


    southbeach1500 said
    James3300 saidThe phrase "Obama's Mideast" uses the a possessive. When Obama gain ownership of the Mideast?


    It's referring to the failure of Obama's policies.


    Bush fucked up the region so bad, no one's policies can fix it.

    And if I recall correctly, you conservatives -back in 2001 to 2003- only wanted revenge in Iraq and Afghanistan, and balked at suggestions from the left that we would damage the region beyond repair. You guys said "who cares! it's their problem!" But now, you're suddenly concerned, and you're using the deterioration of the region -which you caused- against Obama.

    Hypocrisy, much?

    Cheers.

    Keep getting paid to troll here with your right-wing crap.



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