What airlines don't want you to know

  • venue35

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    Mar 28, 2015 11:50 AM GMT
    Now that Lufthansa may have to compensate almost a billion dollars to the families of last week's planecrash,CNN just reported that there have been 24 fatal plane crashes since January 2014
    YIKES!!!!!!!!
    Makes me never to want to fly again Ever!!!
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    Mar 28, 2015 12:38 PM GMT
    More people die in auto accidents than in plane accidents. Flying is one of the safest forms of travel

    Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.


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  • venue35

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    Mar 28, 2015 1:43 PM GMT
    Yes but there are many more cars out there than airplanes
    I don't think airplanes are safe anymore.
    Lufthansa had a responsibility to know that their pilot was not well now look what happened.
    Hell we still have a plane with all passengers still missing since last year.
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    Mar 28, 2015 1:47 PM GMT
    There was nothing wrong with this airplane. it was the co-pilots fault. and the reason why Lufthansa didn't know about his medical condition was because HE didn't tell them. This has nothing to do with aircraft safety, and everything to do with a mentally unstable person.

    This can easily happen to a bus driver, train conductor, subway operator, etc.
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    Mar 28, 2015 1:49 PM GMT
    willular saidThere was nothing wrong with this airplane. it was the co-pilots fault. and the reason why Lufthansa didn't know about his medical condition was because HE didn't tell them. This has nothing to do with aircraft safety, and everything to do with a mentally unstable person.

    This can easily happen to a bus driver, train conductor, subway operator, etc.

    yes it wasn't a technical fault..but how can an airline not know when a pilot of theirs is not well psychologically?? The fact that he hid the fact is not a good excuse. Look how many people have died and now they have to pay 1 billion in compensation fees.
    I feel this could have been prevented.
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    Mar 28, 2015 2:02 PM GMT
    venue35 said
    willular saidThere was nothing wrong with this airplane. it was the co-pilots fault. and the reason why Lufthansa didn't know about his medical condition was because HE didn't tell them. This has nothing to do with aircraft safety, and everything to do with a mentally unstable person.

    This can easily happen to a bus driver, train conductor, subway operator, etc.

    yes it wasn't a technical fault..but how can an airline not know when a pilot of theirs is not well psychologically?? The fact that he hid the fact is not a good excuse. Look how many people have died and now they have to pay 1 billion in compensation fees.
    I feel this could have been prevented.


    Sure it could have been prevented. just about everything in life can be prevented. But the fact that an employee choose not to disclose his medical condition to his employer is not the fault of the employer themselves. If the co-pilot had told his boss , "hey man, I'm super depressed right now and I've been seeing a psychiatrist and they said I shouldn't be doing my job right now", he'd be relieved of duty and those people would still be alive today. But he didn't.

    I can understand to some extent why the co-pilot did not disclose his condition. it would basically mean he couldn't fly. he'd be "grounded". I don't know if that would affect his pay or not.

    I'm not trying to say what he did was right, but I can somewhat sympathize with his failure to disclose his condition to his employer. unfortunately he became so distraught that his actions affected everyone on board (and their families).

    But there's no way for an employer to know everything about all their employees all the time. Do you think that Delta, United, American Airlines, Korean Air, etc... all know everything about all their hundreds of pilots? Does Greyhound know about all their bus drivers?

    In large companies like the airlines or any other mass transit, the only way for employers to know about their employees is if the member actually tells them.

    It's good to know that Lufthansa is going to pay out the compensation and they have already stated they will do it without argument. It's a sad story, but at least they are owning up to the consequences of one of their employees horrific actions.
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    Mar 28, 2015 2:04 PM GMT
    It's surprising to me that people often go to snap reactions when something like this happens. "I'm never flying again!" Meanwhile, driving on any expressway in any major city in the US will jade one's views on American drivers. You don't see people selling their cars and cutting up their licenses, though.
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    Mar 28, 2015 2:33 PM GMT
    If you can afford not to fly ever again, well, more power to you! The rest of us will be taking a degree of risk as we do every day of our lives.

    When you come to think about it, I have not eaten in McD or Burger King, etc. in like 20 years. Much to my surprise, both companies are still around, and I am left to really wonder if I AM the most important person on the globe or noticon_biggrin.gif

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    Mar 28, 2015 2:33 PM GMT
    Avsigkommen saidIt's surprising to me that people often go to snap reactions when something like this happens. "I'm never flying again!" Meanwhile, driving on any expressway in any major city in the US will jade one's views on American drivers. You don't see people selling their cars and cutting up their licenses, though.
    The traffic's so bad in Miami that I sold my car and commute by bike when I'm home.

    Out of town on business is a different story...the company rents me a car. icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 28, 2015 2:40 PM GMT
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    paulflexes said
    Avsigkommen saidIt's surprising to me that people often go to snap reactions when something like this happens. "I'm never flying again!" Meanwhile, driving on any expressway in any major city in the US will jade one's views on American drivers. You don't see people selling their cars and cutting up their licenses, though.
    The traffic's so bad in Miami that I sold my car and commute by bike when I'm home.

    Out of town on business is a different story...the company rents me a car. icon_lol.gif


    Yeah, traffic is bad, and some of the drivers.... the things they do! icon_eek.gif
    Yep. I feel safer on a bike on the sidewalk...except the time some idiot made a u-turn too fast and slid off the road onto the sidewalk right behind me. icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 29, 2015 4:16 PM GMT
    venue35 saidNow that Lufthansa may have to compensate almost a billion dollars to the families of last week's planecrash,CNN just reported that there have been 24 fatal plane crashes since January 2014
    YIKES!!!!!!!!
    Makes me never to want to fly again Ever!!!


    On those 24 crashes , 0nly 7 were commercial flights , other were private and military airplanes ..
    Now , think about that there are more than 100.000 flights taking off in the world per year , 7 crashes is a very low number !!
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    Mar 29, 2015 4:17 PM GMT
    Avsigkommen saidIt's surprising to me that people often go to snap reactions when something like this happens. "I'm never flying again!" Meanwhile, driving on any expressway in any major city in the US will jade one's views on American drivers. You don't see people selling their cars and cutting up their licenses, though.


    I totally agree !!
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    Mar 29, 2015 4:20 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Yeah, traffic is bad, and some of the drivers.... the things they do! icon_eek.gif


    Yeah, I keep trying to make them understand that this is NOT a speed limit sign.

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    Mar 29, 2015 4:29 PM GMT
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    Yeah, I keep trying to make them understand that this is NOT a speed limit sign.

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    It's been that way in Florida since I first rode on I-95 on my motorcycle in 1973. Only now there's more lanes, but the traffic just as crazy.

    In fact, parts of I-95 weren't even completed on the East Coast in 1973, you got detoured onto roads like US 1 and 17. To include stretches in Florida itself.

    I concluded back then that driving badly & arrogantly in South Florida was a mark of prestige & status, even if your car wasn't a top luxury make. I think that attitude persists today.

    Added to which are the tourists. Who either are completely confused, or who figure they'll never have to pay a traffic ticket from Florida. And if they're from Canada, it's true. Coming from another US State can be more problematic for them.
  • venue35

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    Mar 29, 2015 5:15 PM GMT
    I never said that I wouldn't fly again.
    That wouldn't be very practical!
  • venue35

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    Mar 29, 2015 5:18 PM GMT
    Just in.. an Air Canada airplane misses runway and crashes.
    22 people injured.
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    Mar 29, 2015 6:08 PM GMT
    How did it define what a plane is? Like everything from personal planes/jets to commercial airliners?
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    Mar 29, 2015 11:14 PM GMT
    venue35 saidJust in.. an Air Canada airplane misses runway and crashes.
    22 people injured.

    link?
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    Mar 29, 2015 11:18 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    venue35 saidJust in.. an Air Canada airplane misses runway and crashes.
    22 people injured.

    link?



    http://globalnews.ca/news/1909898/breaking-air-canada-plane-hard-landing-on-runway-at-halifax-airport/
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    Mar 29, 2015 11:26 PM GMT
    http://globalnews.ca/news/1909898/breaking-air-canada-plane-hard-landing-on-runway-at-halifax-airport/
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    Mar 30, 2015 12:24 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidhttp://globalnews.ca/news/1909898/breaking-air-canada-plane-hard-landing-on-runway-at-halifax-airport/
    News people always fuck shit up.

    That isn't an antenna array. It's an approach light structure used in conjunction with the ILS (Instrument Landing System) to help guide pilots safely to the runway during low visibility conditions.

    Either way, the pilot(s) really fucked up bad. icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 30, 2015 12:26 AM GMT
    Sharkspeare said
    southbeach1500 said
    Yeah, traffic is bad, and some of the drivers.... the things they do! icon_eek.gif


    Yeah, I keep trying to make them understand that this is NOT a speed limit sign.

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    Good thing the Floridians don't live in SoCal.
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  • Import

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    Mar 30, 2015 1:12 AM GMT
    I flew yesterday. I flew today. And I'll fly tomorrow.

    If I'm meant to die in a plane crash, than I'll die in a fucking plane crash. If i'm not than I won't. This Germany incident does nothing to deter me from flying. I fly for work almost weekly and have been on literally hundreds (dare I say thousand) of flights without incident.
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    Mar 30, 2015 4:52 PM GMT
    Import saidI flew yesterday. I flew today. And I'll fly tomorrow.

    If I'm meant to die in a plane crash, than I'll die in a fucking plane crash. If i'm not than I won't. This Germany incident does nothing to deter me from flying. I fly for work almost weekly and have been on literally hundreds (dare I say thousand) of flights without incident.


    Same here !

    You have more chance to die while driving or being driven on your way to the airport !!
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    Mar 30, 2015 10:37 PM GMT
    Import saidI flew yesterday. I flew today. And I'll fly tomorrow.

    If I'm meant to die in a plane crash, than I'll die in a fucking plane crash. If i'm not than I won't. This Germany incident does nothing to deter me from flying. I fly for work almost weekly and have been on literally hundreds (dare I say thousand) of flights without incident.
    I fly almost 80 hours every month in a small single-engine plane. That's WAY more dangerous than flying in large commercial planes with several redundancy systems to prevent failures. And I've even had to make emergency landings a time or two cause shit fucked up.

    Yet I'm still here, never got a single scratch from the forced landing, and still have no fear of flying. Concern, yes, but that's healthy to have concern. It keeps me on my toes so I do the right thing at the right time to ensure the safety of the flight. icon_wink.gif