Jamaican prime minister rebukes gay-rights protestors at New York townhall

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    Mar 29, 2015 5:50 AM GMT
    Prime Minister Portia Simpson Miller yesterday rebuked gay-rights protestors who crashed her keynote address at the launch of the 6th Biennial Jamaica Diaspora Conference in New York, United States.

    As Simpson Miller defended Jamaica's record of protecting the rights of gays, the protestors demanded she do more for them.

    However, the prime minister did not take kindly to the disruption and chided the protestors for not telling the truth.

    http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/lead-stories/20150327/jamaican-prime-minister-rebukes-gay-rights-protestors-new-york
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Mar 29, 2015 2:35 PM GMT
    The PM is not standing on firm ground. Just because she has eased the rhetoric over her predecessor gives her no right to falsely call the protesters liars concerning ongoing discrimination and oppression.

    I gave up going to this otherwise beautiful country over my fears for my own safety.
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    Mar 29, 2015 2:39 PM GMT
    LuckyGuyKC said...
    I gave up going to this otherwise beautiful country over my fears for my own safety.
    +1
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    Mar 29, 2015 3:13 PM GMT
    LuckyGuyKC saidThe PM is not standing on firm ground. Just because she has eased the rhetoric over her predecessor gives her no right to falsely call the protesters liars concerning ongoing discrimination and oppression.

    I gave up going to this otherwise beautiful country over my fears for my own safety.


    Agreed, all we asking for is for the Government to recognize and protect us and remove this archaic buggery law that is not hurting anybody.
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    Mar 29, 2015 3:46 PM GMT
    PaulDee said
    LuckyGuyKC saidThe PM is not standing on firm ground. Just because she has eased the rhetoric over her predecessor gives her no right to falsely call the protesters liars concerning ongoing discrimination and oppression.

    I gave up going to this otherwise beautiful country over my fears for my own safety.


    Agreed, all we asking for is for the Government to recognize and protect us and remove this archaic buggery law that is not hurting anybody.


    So much for the protesters being liars. Does Portia think the rest of us outside Jamaica live in a vaccuum or have no idea what goes on in her country? Yeesh.
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    Mar 29, 2015 3:57 PM GMT
    Portia tends to hit back about criticism regarding anything, so this is par for the course for her.
  • Bylt4U

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    Mar 29, 2015 9:16 PM GMT
    I have never set foot in Jamaica and seriously doubt I ever will. I no longer consider travelling to Russia and it looks like I may need to add the states of Arkansas and Indiana to my do not visit list.
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    Mar 30, 2015 3:18 AM GMT
    Jamaican me crazy.
  • FRE0

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    Mar 30, 2015 7:46 PM GMT
    Here is some information about the problems gay men and women fact in Jamaica:

    http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/2006/10/jamaica_island_.html

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    Mar 31, 2015 12:06 AM GMT
    oh gawd, jamaica for the gays in like the 3rd circle of hell.

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    Mar 31, 2015 3:00 AM GMT
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    LuckyGuyKC said...
    I gave up going to this otherwise beautiful country over my fears for my own safety.
    +1


    Jamaica has always had the reputation for being unsafe for anyone, straight or gay, stepping outside the confines of resorts or guided tours. I have never had a desire to visit Jamaica. There are other just as beautiful tropical destinations that are safer.
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    Mar 31, 2015 3:22 AM GMT
    I heard Hawaii is tropical and friendly to gays!
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 01, 2015 2:37 PM GMT
    Jamaica is a crime ridden sh*t hole. Even native Jamaicans admit this. Visited a decade or so ago, and I never want to go back. The land and place is beautiful, but SOME--and it only takes a critical mass--of the people are bat-sh*t crazy.

    Riding in the back of trucks with machetes and assault rifles. Shooting assault rifles off in the middle of the day in cities. I saw two white tourists, in a tourist area, effectively falsely arrested (citizens arrest?) and they paid money before the group of guys left and let them go on their way.

    I can't with Jamaica. Sadly, most people were really nice, but there's a critical mass of trash, crime and corruption that prevents normality and progress. LGBTs of Jamaica--FLEE. There is no hope of meaningful acceptance in that country for the foreseeable future. Time to evacuate.
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    Apr 02, 2015 5:54 AM GMT
    Svnw688 saidJamaica is a crime ridden sh*t hole. Even native Jamaicans admit this. Visited a decade or so ago, and I never want to go back. The land and place is beautiful, but SOME--and it only takes a critical mass--of the people are bat-sh*t crazy.

    Riding in the back of trucks with machetes and assault rifles. Shooting assault rifles off in the middle of the day in cities. I saw two white tourists, in a tourist area, effectively falsely arrested (citizens arrest?) and they paid money before the group of guys left and let them go on their way.

    I can't with Jamaica. Sadly, most people were really nice, but there's a critical mass of trash, crime and corruption that prevents normality and progress. LGBTs of Jamaica--FLEE. There is no hope of meaningful acceptance in that country for the foreseeable future. Time to evacuate.


    Hi Svnw688,

    Which parts of Jamaica did you visit when you came here? I will definitely agree that the country is on the wrong side of history where LGBT rights are concerned, similarly to states like Arkansas and Indiana. Some persons say, we probably won't progress to a tolerant society until the next 15 to 20 years. Its going to take time, education and possibly a new generation of leaders to really bring about the change necessary to create a more accommodating environment. Other factors too that will help end homophobia include an end to poverty, better standard of living, investments in the country.

    Sadly the church has a strangle whole on the country. Its part of the culture, the Christian belief system. That will always play a factor in the country's deep homophobia. I don't know what can be done there, because the churches influence on society determines the message and votes.

    I do not agree with you that the country is a shithole. If you were to remove the homophobia out of the equation, the country would be considered a wonderful place. The people are otherwise friendly and caring. Just like anywhere you go in this world, there is crime and violence, often in the urban areas such as the capitol, Kingston and the second city Montego Bay.

    Personally, I am exploring options to try and leave this year. Its a sad thought to know that I have to run away, it almost feels like a cowardly act. Its just, I can't wait 15 to 20 years to see the country reach a state of tolerance.

    Those would be the best years of my life where I am denied the right to be who I want to be, have a relationship, have a normal life basically.
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    Apr 02, 2015 7:52 AM GMT
    @PaulDee

    (1). Kingston a total of 3 days, Montego Bay 4.

    (2). Though I tried to make it clear, I'd simply like to reaffirm that MOST people in Jamaica are normal, friendly, and great. But I stand by my statement that there is a distinct element ("critical mass") of crime and corruption that I can't deal with. This extends to the police/authorities. This isn't unique to Jamaica, many countries suffer from this phenomenon. For example, I would NEVER visit anywhere in Mexico that wasn't a resort/tourist destination, and unlike in Jamaica where I ventured out, I wouldn't venture out in Mexico. Too many drug cartels and hostage/ransom businesses set up. And no, I'm not a scared, timid, or shy person.

    (3). I realize I came down on Jamaica hard in my post, but it's my truth. Also as a person born and raised in Tulsa, Oklahoma, I categorically believe the state is backwards, on the wrong side of history, and I absolutely HATE and DETEST Oklahoma's legislature, politicians, and absurd laws (from liquor OVER regulation, to allowing fracking despite the fact we have more major earthquakes than California now, and systemic denial of LGBT rights--not to mention denial of the worst race riot in the history of the United States (Tulsa, 1921, everyone should look it up).

    For the record, though you haven't suggested I said this, I want to say: I realize you can go to Jamaica and have a wonderful and amazing time. All I care to say is that as a proud and "out" gay man, I don't play into gay stereotypes, but I refuse to talk up or excuse a place that is systematically fostering an environment where I can be hate crimed--Oklahoma and Jamaica, and the others, be damned. F these backwards places.