GOP: Gays Risk Losing Moral Ground by Challenging Religion

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    Apr 01, 2015 2:52 AM GMT
    NYT: A Republican warns that the gay rights movement is at risk of losing its moral high ground by misusing its newfound political clout.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/opinion/david-brooks-religious-liberty-and-equality.html?ref=opinion
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    Apr 01, 2015 2:55 AM GMT
    Republicans have already lost moral ground by clinging to hateful religions.
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    Apr 01, 2015 4:05 AM GMT
    "At its best, the gay rights movement has promoted its cause while carefully respecting religious liberty and the traditional pillars of American society. It has not staged a frontal assault on the exercise of faith."

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    Other than that lie, this author makes some good points. He's written fairly objectively too. Finding a balance between religious freedoms and gay civil rights is going to get as complicated as trannies and restrooms.
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    Apr 01, 2015 4:40 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidNYT: A Republican warns that the gay rights movement is at risk of losing its moral high ground by misusing its newfound political clout.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/opinion/david-brooks-religious-liberty-and-equality.html?ref=opinion



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    Apr 01, 2015 4:45 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidNYT: A Republican warns that the gay rights movement is at risk of losing its moral high ground by misusing its newfound political clout.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/opinion/david-brooks-religious-liberty-and-equality.html?ref=opinion



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    Apr 01, 2015 4:21 PM GMT
    its THEM that dosnt want us.
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    Apr 01, 2015 6:57 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidRepublicans have already lost moral ground by clinging to hateful religions.


    THANK YOU 1000+!

    I might add to that and say they have done even worse by attempting to defend what is an indefensible position based on superstition and bronze age ignorance whose entire basis for all their arguments consists of "But the almighty sky-daddy hath sayeth it."

    But at the same time never forget that the most anti-gay hate and ignorance filled churches are the ones in the black communities who definitely do not vote Republican. You've never seen true ignorant hatred of gays until you hear a minister stand in front of a Sunday congregation and refer to homosexuality as "the white man's disease" that has spread to blacks.

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    Apr 01, 2015 8:37 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    paulflexes saidRepublicans have already lost moral ground by clinging to hateful religions.


    THANK YOU 1000+!

    I might add to that and say they have done even worse by attempting to defend what is an indefensible position based on superstition and bronze age ignorance whose entire basis for all their arguments consists of "But the almighty sky-daddy hath sayeth it."

    But at the same time never forget that the most anti-gay hate and ignorance filled churches are the ones in the black communities who definitely do not vote Republican. You've never seen true ignorant hatred of gays until you hear a minister stand in front of a Sunday congregation and refer to homosexuality as "the white man's disease" that has spread to blacks.


    True but less so based on newer polls. Obama has brought a lot of them around and surprisingly, the new show Empire is reportedly started a more reasonable conversation in the black community. But it is the Republicans that are trying to increase their power and raise cash through scare tactics and worse, by proposing laws and passing laws designed to harm gays. Every Presidential contender for the Republicans has essentially supported the religion/discrimination Indiana law. Though now because businesses are upset that it may harm their profits, they're trying to pretend it wasn't meant to have that effect. Which is a total lie. All you have to do is look at who was present when the Republican Gov signed the legislation.

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    Apr 01, 2015 8:53 PM GMT
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    Let me guess... yep, I just looked. Another copy and paste job from THE NEW YORK TIMES!


    How is the NYT any less reliable than the bunch of crank sites you get most of your material from? On the rare occasions you do manage to quote from a reputable news organization, you go and put some fraudulent title of your own above the story.
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    Apr 01, 2015 9:00 PM GMT
    CODY4U said"At its best, the gay rights movement has promoted its cause while carefully respecting religious liberty and the traditional pillars of American society. It has not staged a frontal assault on the exercise of faith."

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    Other than that lie, this author makes some good points. He's written fairly objectively too. Finding a balance between religious freedoms and gay civil rights is going to get as complicated as trannies and restrooms.



    Curious... how is that a lie?
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    Apr 01, 2015 9:20 PM GMT
    Destinharbor said
    bobbobbob said
    paulflexes saidRepublicans have already lost moral ground by clinging to hateful religions.


    THANK YOU 1000+!

    I might add to that and say they have done even worse by attempting to defend what is an indefensible position based on superstition and bronze age ignorance whose entire basis for all their arguments consists of "But the almighty sky-daddy hath sayeth it."

    But at the same time never forget that the most anti-gay hate and ignorance filled churches are the ones in the black communities who definitely do not vote Republican. You've never seen true ignorant hatred of gays until you hear a minister stand in front of a Sunday congregation and refer to homosexuality as "the white man's disease" that has spread to blacks.


    True but less so based on newer polls. Obama has brought a lot of them around and surprisingly, the new show Empire is reportedly started a more reasonable conversation in the black community. But it is the Republicans that are trying to increase their power and raise cash through scare tactics and worse, by proposing laws and passing laws designed to harm gays. Every Presidential contender for the Republicans has essentially supported the religion/discrimination Indiana law. Though now because businesses are upset that it may harm their profits, they're trying to pretend it wasn't meant to have that effect. Which is a total lie. All you have to do is look at who was present when the Republican Gov signed the legislation.


    What? Go see nuns and priests watch the governor sign it?
    Oh, fuck that! LOL! I don't rate spectacle over substance like you seem to. I prefer to deal with the substance and ignore the circuses.


    Your outrage over RFRA is transparent and shallow if it has just erupted like a pimple on your butt. I was busy raising bloody blue hell in 1993 when the national blueprint of all the current state versions of RFRA was signed by the same lying sack of shit who gave us DADT in 1994 while he was lying about gizzing on a slut's dress in the closet off the oval office. But back then people like yourself were telling me to shut up about RFRA and DADT... and.. "that Lewinsky woman." Their reasoning? Basically the same as yours. "Chappaquiddick Teddy and Good ol' boy Bill were the best friends gays had in politics."

    Or is it just that when conservatives do shit like this that you decide to become outraged? If so, admit it and the incidental hypocrisy you showing.
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    Apr 01, 2015 9:34 PM GMT
    RFRA was designed to protect Native American Indians who are using hallucenic drugs in their religious rituals from persecution by Republicans. Republicans in the Indiana case expands that law to protect Christians who hate gays. Christianity is not a religious minority entitled to practice hate-based beliefs that affect others outside of their circle.
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    Apr 01, 2015 9:41 PM GMT
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    What? Go see nuns and priests watch the governor sign it?
    Oh, fuck that! LOL! I don't rate spectacle over substance like you seem to. I prefer to deal with the substance and ignore the circuses.


    While performing in your own circus of overblown fonts, like some shouty horror clown.
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    Apr 01, 2015 9:52 PM GMT
    Yeah
    I did that just to give your nit picky lame ass something to worry about.
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    Apr 01, 2015 10:01 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidRFRA was designed to protect Native American Indians who are using hallucenic drugs in their religious rituals from persecution by Republicans. Republicans in the Indiana case expands that law to protect Christians who hate gays. Christianity is not a religious minority entitled to practice hate-based beliefs that affect others outside of their circle.



    *yeah* *riiiiiiiiiiight*
    And you actually think that it's possible to pass a law that STRICTLY applies to a few teeny weeny religions? You better wake up.

    That was how it was sold to the public... sort of like lying the same way ACA had to be passed before it was read "away from the fog of controversy"... after we were promised it would be published online for everyone to read before it was voted on.

    It was less than 3 years before mainstream religions began using RFRA for their own purposes.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Freedom_Restoration_Act#Challenges_and_weaknesses
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    Apr 01, 2015 10:07 PM GMT
    Taking hallucenic drugs in a religious ritual affects people in that religion. Not cutting your beard because of religious observance affects the person with the beard. What the Republicans did is to use the pretense of religious liberty to provide state sanctioned hateful practice of Christianity not on themselves but on gay people. That's wrong. And everyone sees it.
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    Apr 01, 2015 11:16 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidTaking hallucenic drugs in a religious ritual affects people in that religion. Not cutting your beard because of religious observance affects the person with the beard. What the Republicans did is to use the pretense of religious liberty to provide state sanctioned hateful practice of Christianity not on themselves but on gay people. That's wrong. And everyone sees it.


    Well then direct your vitriol to the man who signed it into law in 1993 and gave birth to all this. How hard is it to see that if the law had never been signed by Bill Clinton this would be a dead issue?
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    Apr 02, 2015 1:28 AM GMT
    @BobBobBob

    (1). The NAACP fully takes on the LGBT issue and unequivocally supports LGBT rights.

    (2). Blacks (59%) , more so than whites (52%), support LGBT rights as of 2012. Blacks are AHEAD of the moral curve. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/06/06/rel5e.pdf

    What the F are you talking about you racist troll? You're as ignorant as you are irrelevant and provincial in your thinking. I realize that, in fact, many black ministers oppose LGBT rights, and I detest that. But don't make it a race issue, because it's not. And IF you make it a race issue, TELL THE TRUTH--BLACKS ARE MORE SUPPORTIVE THAN WHITES OF LGBT RIGHTS.

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    Apr 02, 2015 1:32 AM GMT
    UPDATE: The NAACP, as late as 2012, unequivocally came out in support of LGBT rights, and said it supports the right of "all" people, not just colored LGBT persons.

    Yes, it's historic and primary mission is "colored" issues, but it fully embraces the LGBT movement. http://www.naacp.org/news/entry/naacp-passes-resolution-in-support-of-marriage-equality
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    Apr 02, 2015 2:03 AM GMT
    Svnw688 saidUPDATE: The NAACP, as late as 2012, unequivocally came out in support of LGBT rights, and said it supports the right of "all" people, not just colored LGBT persons.

    Yes, it's historic and primary mission is "colored" issues, but it fully embraces the LGBT movement. http://www.naacp.org/news/entry/naacp-passes-resolution-in-support-of-marriage-equality


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    Apr 02, 2015 6:00 AM GMT
    So Liberals Gays, why are you supporting the execution of gays in foreign countries:

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    Apr 02, 2015 7:42 AM GMT
    MX5, your guilt by association argument is non-sequitor, and we have been over this ad nauseum. Please stop, you're embarrassing yourself darling.
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    Apr 02, 2015 4:00 PM GMT
    Destinharbor said
    bobbobbob said
    paulflexes saidRepublicans have already lost moral ground by clinging to hateful religions.


    THANK YOU 1000+!

    I might add to that and say they have done even worse by attempting to defend what is an indefensible position based on superstition and bronze age ignorance whose entire basis for all their arguments consists of "But the almighty sky-daddy hath sayeth it."

    But at the same time never forget that the most anti-gay hate and ignorance filled churches are the ones in the black communities who definitely do not vote Republican. You've never seen true ignorant hatred of gays until you hear a minister stand in front of a Sunday congregation and refer to homosexuality as "the white man's disease" that has spread to blacks.


    True but less so based on newer polls. Obama has brought a lot of them around and surprisingly, the new show Empire is reportedly started a more reasonable conversation in the black community. But it is the Republicans that are trying to increase their power and raise cash through scare tactics and worse, by proposing laws and passing laws designed to harm gays. Every Presidential contender for the Republicans has essentially supported the religion/discrimination Indiana law. Though now because businesses are upset that it may harm their profits, they're trying to pretend it wasn't meant to have that effect. Which is a total lie. All you have to do is look at who was present when the Republican Gov signed the legislation.


    ^^^Here's an example of world class bullshit hidden in some leftist talking points.

    **He says there are newer polls that prove things are different than I said... I did searches and found none. Try searching for any polls in this yourself.

    ** He says Obama has "brought many of the black homophonic churches around." Ummm No he hasn't. In fact homophobia in black churches has gotten worse since Obama became president. They have made unlikely partnerships with with the larger white fundamentalist organizations who have campaigns against gays.

    ** I'm not even going to try to explain how a television program featuring fictional characters has no bearing on this. If he expressed a sincere "feeling" that it is relevant he cannot have any capacity to comprehend that it might not be.