Islam in the USA to double by 2030

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    Apr 02, 2015 6:44 AM GMT
    http://time.com/3765196/hirsi-ali-beware-of-michiganistan/

    "Indeed, more than a fifth of Muslim Americans say there is a great deal or a fair amount of support for extremism in the Muslim American community. About 20% say that Muslim Americans want to remain “distinct from the larger American society.” Indeed, half say they think of themselves first as a Muslim, second as American, despite the fact that 81% of those polled were U.S. citizens."
  • metta

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    Apr 02, 2015 3:47 PM GMT
    "According to estimates by the Pew Research Center, the Muslim population of the United States is set to increase from around 2.6 million today to 6.2 million in 2030, mainly as a result of immigration, as well as above-average birth rates. Although in relative terms this will still represent less than 2 percent of the total U.S. population (1.7 percent, to be precise, compared with around 0.8 percent today)"





    I'm not familiar with the AHA Foundation


    "The AHA Foundation is the leading organization working to end honor violence that shames, hurts or kills thousands of women and girls in the US each year, and puts millions more at risk."

    http://www.theahafoundation.org/about-us/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHA_Foundation

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    "She is known for her views critical of female genital mutilation and Islam and supportive of women's rights and atheism."

    "Following graduate work, she published articles on her political views and spoke in support of Muslim women, becoming an atheist."

    "In 2005 Hirsi Ali was named by Time magazine as one of the 100 most influential people in the world.[2] She has also received several awards, including a free speech award from the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten,[3] the Swedish Liberal Party's Democracy Prize,[4] and the Moral Courage Award for commitment to conflict resolution, ethics, and world citizenship.[5] Hirsi Ali has published two autobiographies: in 2006[6] and 2010."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali


    Husband
    Niall Ferguson

    "He is the Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History at Harvard University. He is also a Senior Research Fellow of Jesus College, University of Oxford, a Senior Fellow of the Hoover Institution, Stanford University and visiting professor at the New College of the Humanities. His specialties are international history, economic history, particularly hyperinflation and the bond markets, and British and American imperialism.[2] He is known for his provocative, contrarian views.[3]"

    "In 2004, he was named as one of the 100 most influential people in the world by Time magazine. Since 2011,[dated info] he has been a contributing editor for Bloomberg Television[4][5] and a columnist for Newsweek."

    "Ferguson was an advisor to John McCain's U.S. presidential campaign in 2008 , and announced his support for Mitt Romney in 2012 and has been a vocal critic of Barack Obama.[6][7]"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_Ferguson



    Honor Killing

    "She also writes that, although there are not many cases of honor killings within the United States, the overwhelming majority of honor killings are perpetrated by Muslims against Muslims (90% of honor killings known to have taken place in Europe and the United States from 1998 to 2008. In these documented cases the victims were murdered because they were believed to have acted in a way against the religion of the family. In every case, perpetrators view their victims as violating rules of religious conduct and act without remorse.[210]"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#United_States


    I still don't fear Muslims any more than I fear Christians.
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    Apr 02, 2015 3:59 PM GMT


    Meanwhile, your country is adding gasoline to this fire with religious freedom laws.
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    Apr 02, 2015 4:43 PM GMT
    wouldn't it be funny if Christians/Catholics got turned away from Muslim-owned businesses because of the Crusades...that'd be rich icon_lol.gif
  • FRE0

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    Apr 02, 2015 4:52 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidhttp://time.com/3765196/hirsi-ali-beware-of-michiganistan/

    "Indeed, more than a fifth of Muslim Americans say there is a great deal or a fair amount of support for extremism in the Muslim American community. About 20% say that Muslim Americans want to remain “distinct from the larger American society.” Indeed, half say they think of themselves first as a Muslim, second as American, despite the fact that 81% of those polled were U.S. citizens."


    There are some things which gradually approach a certain maximum number. At one time, the Seventh Day Adventist church was growing rapidly but the growth rate gradually declined. I expect the same thing to happen with Islam in the U.S.

    There are plenty of fundamentalist Christians who see themselves as Christian first and American second so in that respect, Islam is not unusual. There are also fundamentalist Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses who keep themselves separate, so Islam is not unusual in that respect either.

    I lived in Fiji from 1994 to 2004. The population there is about 7% Muslim, yet I had Muslim friends and they did not keep themselves separate. Most of the Muslims were very well integrated. I even knew two mixed Muslim couples in which the husband was Muslim and the wife was Christian. In one of the couples, the boys went to the mosque and the girls went to the (Methodist) church.

    What many people do not realize is that Islam is just as divided as Christianity is. Actually, people who keep track of what is going on in the Near East, with different groups of Muslims fighting each other, should realize that.
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    Apr 02, 2015 5:04 PM GMT
    Life2Short saidwouldn't it be funny if Christians/Catholics got turned away from Muslim-owned businesses because of the Crusades...that'd be rich icon_lol.gif


    That line of thinking has hit many people and won't be far from showing up in headlines.

    Just yesterday eating lunch at my favorite restaurant the owner had an interesting spin of his won about this RFRA bullshit.

    *** As a Jew he may decide it is against his religion to serve people who come there in large Sunday church groups because they observe the Sabbath on the wrong day and in the wrong way.

    *** Unitarians and agnostics should sue to have equal consideration with any public display of the Christian cross and adopt the question mark as their religious symbol.

    *** Every Muslim and Jewish owned grocer can call religious freedom by clearing their stores of PORK and beans, PORK skins, PORK chops,

    The possibilities are endless. All that has to be done is exploit the unforeseen consequences of this idiocy to the furthest extremes against the very people who created it.
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    Apr 02, 2015 5:38 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said

    That line of thinking has hit many people and won't be far from showing up in headlines


    More likely to be trotted out by serial liar Bill O'Reilly, whom you are always eager to defend.
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    Apr 02, 2015 6:45 PM GMT
    Life2Short saidwouldn't it be funny if Christians/Catholics got turned away from Muslim-owned businesses because of the Crusades...that'd be rich icon_lol.gif


    Just like how Muslims cut off Christians' access to Jerusalem and the Holy Land before Pope Urban II called for the Crusades?
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    Apr 02, 2015 6:46 PM GMT
    robbaker saidshut the borders!


    Was that a joke?
  • ASHDOD

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    Apr 02, 2015 7:18 PM GMT
    be afraid ,be very afraid, the trubles start when they reach the 7-10 %
  • HottJoe

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    Apr 02, 2015 7:29 PM GMT
    KJSharp said
    Life2Short saidwouldn't it be funny if Christians/Catholics got turned away from Muslim-owned businesses because of the Crusades...that'd be rich icon_lol.gif


    Just like how Muslims cut off Christians' access to Jerusalem and the Holy Land before Pope Urban II called for the Crusades?

    The spaghetti monster in the sky was very amused by that "to be continued" episode!
  • HottJoe

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    Apr 02, 2015 7:31 PM GMT
    Ashdod saidbe afraid ,be very afraid, the trubles start when they reach the 7-10 %

    Just wait until gay people reach the 7-10%. It will be raining men, and finally the environmentalists will be able to say, "By George, it IS hot!"icon_cool.gif
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    Apr 02, 2015 8:13 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidhttp://time.com/3765196/hirsi-ali-beware-of-michiganistan/

    "Indeed, more than a fifth of Muslim Americans say there is a great deal or a fair amount of support for extremism in the Muslim American community. About 20% say that Muslim Americans want to remain “distinct from the larger American society.” Indeed, half say they think of themselves first as a Muslim, second as American, despite the fact that 81% of those polled were U.S. citizens."


    There are some things which gradually approach a certain maximum number. At one time, the Seventh Day Adventist church was growing rapidly but the growth rate gradually declined. I expect the same thing to happen with Islam in the U.S.

    There are plenty of fundamentalist Christians who see themselves as Christian first and American second so in that respect, Islam is not unusual. There are also fundamentalist Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses who keep themselves separate, so Islam is not unusual in that respect either.

    I lived in Fiji from 1994 to 2004. The population there is about 7% Muslim, yet I had Muslim friends and they did not keep themselves separate. Most of the Muslims were very well integrated. I even knew two mixed Muslim couples in which the husband was Muslim and the wife was Christian. In one of the couples, the boys went to the mosque and the girls went to the (Methodist) church.

    What many people do not realize is that Islam is just as divided as Christianity is. Actually, people who keep track of what is going on in the Near East, with different groups of Muslims fighting each other, should realize that.


    "Christian first and American second "

    The way I've heard it from the ones who have said almost the same thing is 1) Muslim 2) Palestinian 3) Arab and appx 20) American and these were folks BORN in the USA
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    Apr 02, 2015 8:38 PM GMT
    Life2Short saidwouldn't it be funny if Christians/Catholics got turned away from Muslim-owned businesses because of the Crusades...that'd be rich icon_lol.gif


    This reminds me of the line in "Uncle Buck" where he responds to "Bug's" asking him if he'd "Ever hear[d] of a tuneup?" with, "Ever hear of a ritual killing?"

    One's good comedy, the other's just plain dumb.
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    Apr 02, 2015 8:39 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Just wait until gay people reach the 7-10%. It will be raining men, and finally the environmentalists will be able to say, "By George, it IS hot!"icon_cool.gif



    Haha, quote of the day!
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    Apr 02, 2015 9:27 PM GMT
    In 20 years France will be 30 % Muslim. In southern France certain areas are already 30%, same with London. I wonder if the Louve will be sacked in my lifetime? Since liberals luv the diversity and homos don't breed the next century will be a retrenchment back to the 1600th century.
  • 1AlanZSky

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    Apr 02, 2015 11:02 PM GMT
    Perhaps I am mistaken but I have read somewhere that Muslims tend to never doubt in the existence of God. I am speculating the rise is due to increasing numbers of babies. Immigration is one factor and then there is the problem of Western societies, as one might put it. It is somewhat ironic that increasing secularism is giving rise to fundamentalism and extremism, that is how I see things. The conflict in the Middle East is amassing sympathies from people. Islam is a way of life as well, as some Muslims might say. As an agnostic atheist I fail to see why people just don't see the world through their eyes. Nature is so much more beautiful than books of history that claim they are divinely inspired and unchangeable. At what point do we take books so seriously that we base laws and rules from them simply because it was commanded by God and not by common sense and science?
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    Apr 03, 2015 12:29 AM GMT

    I still don't fear Muslims any more than I fear Christians. [/quote]

    Besides everyone is missing the point. By 2030 the USA will be in the latino's hands. Less then 2% won't even make a dent.
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    Apr 03, 2015 12:34 AM GMT
    canadian_stud said
    Besides everyone is missing the point. By 2030 the USA will be in the latino's hands. Less then 2% won't even make a dent.


    Standby for pinataphobia circa 2030!
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    Apr 03, 2015 12:45 AM GMT
    canadian_stud said
    I still don't fear Muslims any more than I fear Christians.


    Besides everyone is missing the point. By 2030 the USA will be in the latino's hands. Less then 2% won't even make a dent. [/quote]

    Doesn't look like you'd have any reason to

    /sarc

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    Apr 03, 2015 1:24 AM GMT
    "Comprehensive immigration reform?" Yes, including restricting groups that immigrate disproportionately to their ability to assimilate here, and prohibiting those who come from cultures and with agendas adverse to our own. And, redefining the meaning of "public charge" from its current toothless version to ensure that those who apply for or receive ANY form of governmental assistance are included in that definition and barred from coming here. We have every right to pick and choose whom we allow into our country, and we've been allowing too many of the wrong people to come in, legally and illegally, for too long. Emma Lazarus was a poet, not an elected official, and her "tired and poor" have been replaced by the energized and subsidized agents of destruction, not those who came here with good will to create new lives for themselves. It's not 1886 anymore and Ellis Island was closed a long time ago. Perhaps it's time to reopen it, too.
  • tj85016

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    Apr 03, 2015 1:38 AM GMT
    ^^

    exactly, the US is not building railroads and cities west of Chicago anymore

    the US is already overpopulated and under-employed

    let's see what happens when California needs less illegals to pick grapes and strawberries due to the lack of water - I doubt they all get paid greens-keeping at Pebble Beach or roofing in San Bernadino
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    Apr 03, 2015 1:53 AM GMT
    Judaism, Christianity, Islam

    ---The true axis of evil
    (Christopher Hitchens)
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    Apr 03, 2015 4:37 AM GMT
    MGINSD said"Comprehensive immigration reform?" Yes, including restricting groups that immigrate disproportionately to their ability to assimilate here, and prohibiting those who come from cultures and with agendas adverse to our own. And, redefining the meaning of "public charge" from its current toothless version to ensure that those who apply for or receive ANY form of governmental assistance are included in that definition and barred from coming here. We have every right to pick and choose whom we allow into our country, and we've been allowing too many of the wrong people to come in, legally and illegally, for too long. Emma Lazarus was a poet, not an elected official, and her "tired and poor" have been replaced by the energized and subsidized agents of destruction, not those who came here with good will to create new lives for themselves. It's not 1886 anymore and Ellis Island was closed a long time ago. Perhaps it's time to reopen it, too.


    Uuuh, is it "reform" to return to the immigration scheme which used to be in place which had bases for immigration with a more rational nexus to the actual needs and benefit to the country? And Emma Lazarus was not a legislator; she composed pleasant, greeting-cardish sentiments which are not necessarily suitable for legislative action.
  • RyanMatthew

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    Apr 03, 2015 5:06 AM GMT
    CLTMike46 saidJudaism, Christianity, Islam

    ---The true axis of evil
    (Christopher Hitchens)


    You are plain stupid