Irish gay couple turned down by multiple landlords. Gay man told he can't move into London flat because he's not straight.

  • metta

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    Apr 03, 2015 4:20 PM GMT
    Irish gay couple turned down by multiple landlords

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/04/02/irish-gay-couple-turned-down-by-multiple-landlords/
  • FRE0

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    Apr 04, 2015 7:54 PM GMT
    They are creating a problem where none need exist.

    Of course they should not have to hide the fact that they are gay, but there is no reason they have to tell potential landlords that they are gay. He doesn't have to say to potential landlords that he wants to move in with his boyfriend. He could simply state that he and his friend are looking for a place to live.
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    Apr 04, 2015 8:15 PM GMT
    FRE0 saidThey are creating a problem where none need exist.

    Of course they should not have to hide the fact that they are gay, but there is no reason they have to tell potential landlords that they are gay. He doesn't have to say to potential landlords that he wants to move in with his boyfriend. He could simply state that he and his friend are looking for a place to live.



    They should be able to, though. Look:

    "Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is outlawed by the Employment Equality Act, 1998 and the Equal Status Act, 2000. These laws forbid discrimination in any of the following areas: employment, vocational training, advertising, collective agreements, the provision of goods and services, and other publicly available
    opportunities."
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    Apr 04, 2015 8:21 PM GMT
    FRE0 saidThey are creating a problem where none need exist.


    You'll regret this defense of staying in the closet in 5, 4, 3, 2...
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    Apr 04, 2015 11:36 PM GMT
    FRE0 saidThey are creating a problem where none need exist.

    Of course they should not have to hide the fact that they are gay, but there is no reason they have to tell potential landlords that they are gay. He doesn't have to say to potential landlords that he wants to move in with his boyfriend. He could simply state that he and his friend are looking for a place to live.


    I totally agree with FRE0. I never tell people I'm black. I'm whte8.
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    Apr 05, 2015 12:13 AM GMT
    jimib said
    FRE0 saidThey are creating a problem where none need exist.

    Of course they should not have to hide the fact that they are gay, but there is no reason they have to tell potential landlords that they are gay. He doesn't have to say to potential landlords that he wants to move in with his boyfriend. He could simply state that he and his friend are looking for a place to live.


    I totally agree with FRE0. I never tell people I'm black. I'm whte8.


    LOL! You win the internet today.
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    Apr 05, 2015 5:07 AM GMT
    FRE0 saidThey are creating a problem where none need exist.

    Of course they should not have to hide the fact that they are gay, but there is no reason they have to tell potential landlords that they are gay. He doesn't have to say to potential landlords that he wants to move in with his boyfriend. He could simply state that he and his friend are looking for a place to live.


    That kind of subtle self loathing isn't everyone's cup of tea. Also, I think people prefer when you put everything on the table, to avoid some kind of confrontation over the same topic at some point in the future.
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    Apr 05, 2015 5:14 AM GMT
    FRE0 saidThey are creating a problem where none need exist.

    Of course they should not have to hide the fact that they are gay, but there is no reason they have to tell potential landlords that they are gay. He doesn't have to say to potential landlords that he wants to move in with his boyfriend. He could simply state that he and his friend are looking for a place to live.


    A gay person should not have to refer to their significant other as just a 'friend' just to keep from offending someone. Why do you think this is okay?
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    Apr 05, 2015 9:01 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    FRE0 saidThey are creating a problem where none need exist.

    Of course they should not have to hide the fact that they are gay, but there is no reason they have to tell potential landlords that they are gay. He doesn't have to say to potential landlords that he wants to move in with his boyfriend. He could simply state that he and his friend are looking for a place to live.



    They should be able to, though. Look:

    "Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is outlawed by the Employment Equality Act, 1998 and the Equal Status Act, 2000. These laws forbid discrimination in any of the following areas: employment, vocational training, advertising, collective agreements, the provision of goods and services, and other publicly available
    opportunities."


    Quite so, but unfortunately, passing a law to eliminate discrimination is nothing more than a first step.
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    Apr 05, 2015 9:10 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    FRE0 saidThey are creating a problem where none need exist.


    You'll regret this defense of staying in the closet in 5, 4, 3, 2...


    I am not recommending staying in the closet. There is a difference between staying in the closet and advertising one's affectional orientation. He could have avoided using the word "boyfriend" and simply said "friend" when phoning prospective landlords. If asked over the phone about the friend's gender, he cold simply have answered that he is another man. That carries a fairly neutral connotation whereas "boyfriend" strongly implies that he is more than a friend.

    There is such a thing as being practical and not asking for trouble. After renting for some time, they could, without making it seem to be an issue, gradually reveal that they are a couple. Treating it as a mundane fact of life is more likely to result in a favorable response. In any case, it would be less likely to elicit a negative reaction and would be likely to improve the attitude of the landlord and other tenants towards gay persons.

    There are many ways to come out of the closet. It does not always require hitting people over the head.
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    Apr 05, 2015 9:14 PM GMT
    Avsigkommen said
    FRE0 saidThey are creating a problem where none need exist.

    Of course they should not have to hide the fact that they are gay, but there is no reason they have to tell potential landlords that they are gay. He doesn't have to say to potential landlords that he wants to move in with his boyfriend. He could simply state that he and his friend are looking for a place to live.


    A gay person should not have to refer to their significant other as just a 'friend' just to keep from offending someone. Why do you think this is okay?


    It is not OK; it is simply being practical and recognizing facts. I am not suggesting that they pretend to be just friends forever. Once people get to know them, they will be less likely to become hostile after learning that it is a gay couple.

    I want to know exactly why you think that I see it as OK. You are jumping to conclusions on the basis of insufficient evidence. Unfortunately, that is not uncommon; people do it all the time.
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    Apr 05, 2015 9:32 PM GMT
    I wondered if this was in Ireland or not. They were rejected by a Polish landlord, and also a Moldavian landlord. And in reading the comments (you have to open them) the commentators are talking about Eastern Europe, not Ireland.

    Therefore, the laws cited by meninlove may not apply. Unless those refer to the EU, as there is no citatiion.

    So I'm a bit confused by this, and exactly what's happening.
  • metta

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    Apr 06, 2015 7:29 AM GMT
    England: Gay man told he can't move into London flat because he's not straight


    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/gay-man-told-he-cant-move-london-flat-because-hes-not-straight010415
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    Apr 06, 2015 7:44 AM GMT
    metta8 saidEngland: Gay man told he can't move into London flat because he's not straight

    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/gay-man-told-he-cant-move-london-flat-because-hes-not-straight010415

    I can't know if the landlord is inventing this story about the homophobic flatmate, to cover his own liability, or if it's true. If it's true, I guess it's better if Barter doesn't live there.

    On the other hand - why not merely inform Barter of the objection by the other tenant, and leave the decision up to Barter? Or does the other tenant's lease have a veto clause in it? I don't know how these documents are drawn in the UK.