I never understand barebacking and barebackers

  • Goodluckyman

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    Apr 05, 2015 4:48 AM GMT
    With all the risks associated, I never quite understand this practice. Are barebackers immune or something?
  • SilverRRCloud

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    Apr 05, 2015 5:10 AM GMT
    Nope. Barebackers are not immune.

    Yup. They choose to bareback. Trying to understand that is not the best way of approaching the issue.

    When it comes to personal choices, the rules of logic take a backseat before the freedom of each and every individual to do whatever they choose to do with their lives.

    For my part, I would not consider BB even in my wildest dreams. I choose not to BB just as much as quite a few other guys out there choose to BB.

    In practical terms, you just draw the line, and remember never to cross it yourself, no matter what. You also choose to leave it to the other guys to do whatever they want to with their lives.


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  • Eli_jah

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    Apr 05, 2015 5:40 AM GMT
    As Truvada use increases, the stigma against barebacking will lessen. I think those who bareback regularly are either couples in monogamous relationships or "breeders", men who refuse to use condoms and almost always cum inside their partners. It's definitely not a widespread practice.
  • 1AlanZSky

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    Apr 05, 2015 8:01 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidWhy not simply allow people to make their own choices and stop trying to fish for a flame war? To the OP, we could ask the same about your parents. Why did they bareback? What gives your parents the right to bareback yet two gay men can't? Look at the risks involved with true breeders. They popped out a child who, thirty years later doesn't even have the courage to post a photo of his face; yet so redundant with all these excessive crotch shots in his underwear and hip hop street look with his pants pulled down several inches.

    Do black guys think this really looks attractive or something?

    Can't even show your face yet you want to know the private details of other people's sex lives or rather intimating that people here justify something you don't approve of. Only seven posts with an unverified account that's not even two weeks old. Oh I'm sure you really are the "new kid on the block."




    Gay men cannot procreate, so your point is RUBBISH.
    But anyway, maybe gay men think they are invincible and get away with not getting HIV. I wonder what the statistics are.
  • 1AlanZSky

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    Apr 05, 2015 8:08 AM GMT
    With this anti-gay law, you think you will get HIV treatment services and truvada/prep??

    How stupid can people get, when the religious right are coming out from the woodwork, wanted gay men to suffer?

    Gay men are harming themselves by barebacking and you think gay rights have won?

    It's just begun mate, and you think you should let gay men decide! Well, let them and see what happens.
  • 1AlanZSky

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    Apr 05, 2015 8:14 AM GMT
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/23/aids-stigma-international-conference-melbourne/13017139/

    Anti-gay laws can harm HIV treatment.
    Let people bareback, let them make mistakes, because you can't teach people to look the evidence. Stupid gay people are stupid and there is no way these barebackers will learn. At the same time, how much money will be spent on HIV treatment?????

    Fucking selfish barebackers.
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    Apr 05, 2015 9:31 AM GMT
    Mulignan saidAs Truvada use increases, the stigma against barebacking will lessen. I think those who bareback regularly are either couples in monogamous relationships or "breeders", men who refuse to use condoms and almost always cum inside their partners. It's definitely not a widespread practice.

    Trust me, it isn't as rare as you would like to believe. Especially, here in Berlin, it's like a mecca for such kind of activities. Right now, during easter week you can easily find 100-200 guys having a bareback party in the biggest sex club here. Even on normal days, without tourists, barebacking is quite rampant here.
  • ZakSayWhat

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    Apr 05, 2015 1:40 PM GMT
    i want to bareback. i want someone to love me enough and i love someone enough to know we can be with each other whenever we please
  • DJEsco_

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    Apr 05, 2015 4:49 PM GMT
    1AlanZSky said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidWhy not simply allow people to make their own choices and stop trying to fish for a flame war? To the OP, we could ask the same about your parents. Why did they bareback? What gives your parents the right to bareback yet two gay men can't? Look at the risks involved with true breeders. They popped out a child who, thirty years later doesn't even have the courage to post a photo of his face; yet so redundant with all these excessive crotch shots in his underwear and hip hop street look with his pants pulled down several inches.

    Do black guys think this really looks attractive or something?

    Can't even show your face yet you want to know the private details of other people's sex lives or rather intimating that people here justify something you don't approve of. Only seven posts with an unverified account that's not even two weeks old. Oh I'm sure you really are the "new kid on the block."




    Gay men cannot procreate, so your point is RUBBISH.
    But anyway, maybe gay men think they are invincible and get away with not getting HIV. I wonder what the statistics are.


    Sigh... his point is not rubbish. You just missed it. Straight people fuck raw often and they dont catch flak for it. They can catch and std and get pregnant so imo its worse to bareback as a straight person. I fuck my bf raw every time. We got tested so we have nothing to worry about.

    Why people are so worried about others' decisions is beyond me. If two people decide to have sex the natural way, let them be. They will deal with the consequences of their own decision.
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    Apr 05, 2015 6:12 PM GMT
    I liken in to speeding.

    We all (well most) of us do it. We know it's wrong. We know it's illegal. We know that speeding can increase the cause of a accident. Yet we do it anyways.

    It doesn't make us bad people. Just sometimes we make bad judgement calls. No need to crucify someone based on their decisions especially if it doesn't concern you.
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    Apr 05, 2015 6:55 PM GMT
    jmusmc85 saidI liken in to speeding.

    We all (well most) of us do it. We know it's wrong. We know it's illegal. We know that speeding can increase the cause of a accident. Yet we do it anyways.

    It doesn't make us bad people. Just sometimes we make bad judgement calls. No need to crucify someone based on their decisions especially if it doesn't concern you.

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    Wow!!!

    That is the most intelligent thing you've said on here ever.
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    Apr 05, 2015 7:15 PM GMT
    Barebacking is very easy to understand.

    1- it feels better
    2- it's more intimate and a sign of trust
    3- it's easier, no stopping to put a condom on or reapply lube

    That's why I WANT to bareback. However, since I am informed and have the financial resources to buy decent condoms and lube I CHOOSE to use them unless I am in a long term monogamous relationship.

    But that's what it is, my choice. There isn't safe sex, condoms don't prevent all stds. There is only safeR sex. Slut shaming helps no one. You are responsible for your own life and NO ONE ELSES.

    You don't have to 'get' barebacking. You just have to mind your own business.
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    Apr 05, 2015 7:25 PM GMT
    jmusmc85 saidI liken in to speeding.

    We all (well most) of us do it. We know it's wrong. We know it's illegal. We know that speeding can increase the cause of a accident. Yet we do it anyways.

    It doesn't make us bad people. Just sometimes we make bad judgement calls. No need to crucify someone based on their decisions especially if it doesn't concern you.


    Good points, certainly when it comes to blame. But natural sex is innate. Even in the midst of the AIDS epidemic a fairly large minority didn't use condoms. Now it's even more, a majority in fact of 53%.
    Google "why don't people use condoms?"

    The basic answer is it reduces pleasure. It kills the moment for some. It's difficult to use for some. It decreases intimacy.

    But people DO other things!

    "
    HIV-positive men who didn’t consistently used condoms with casual partners reported serosorting (POZ to POZ)(60%), condoms (22%), strategic positioning (17%) and withdrawal (15%).

    HIV-negative men were more likely to report using condoms most of the time, but serosorting (NEG:NEG, it's NOT advised for Negative men. It's inherently unreliable) was still the most widely reported tactic (44%), followed by condoms (41%), strategic positioning (24%) and withdrawal (22%)."
    http://www.aidsmap.com/Most-gay-men-who-dont-use-condoms-are-mindful-of-HIV-and-attempt-to-reduce-their-risk/page/2895068/

    The above is like ACON's recommendations:
    There are now at least five strategies that reasonably constitute‘safe sex’,provided that certain parameters are met.
    They are:
    1.The use of Condoms during casual encounters between men of unknown or discordant serostatus.
    2.HIV negative men taking effective pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP).
    3.Men living with HIV who only have sex without condoms when they have a sustained undetectable viral load (UVL) and in the absence of sexually transmissible infections (STIs).
    4.Effective use of serosorting between HIV positive men.
    5.Effective negotiated safety agreements.

    http://www.acon.org.au/sites/default/files/What-is-Safe-Sex-Position-2014.pdf
  • Eli_jah

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    Apr 05, 2015 7:26 PM GMT
    __morphic__ said
    Mulignan saidAs Truvada use increases, the stigma against barebacking will lessen. I think those who bareback regularly are either couples in monogamous relationships or "breeders", men who refuse to use condoms and almost always cum inside their partners. It's definitely not a widespread practice.

    Trust me, it isn't as rare as you would like to believe. Especially, here in Berlin, it's like a mecca for such kind of activities. Right now, during easter week you can easily find 100-200 guys having a bareback party in the biggest sex club here. Even on normal days, without tourists, barebacking is quite rampant here.


    Wow! Mind blown. I knew about those Berlin sex clubs but "bareback parties"? Wow.

    In my original post, I guess I was focusing on America. Barebacking is looked down upon in the gay community, and has been relegated almost to a subculture.
  • Eli_jah

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    Apr 05, 2015 7:27 PM GMT
    jmusmc85 saidI liken in to speeding.

    We all (well most) of us do it. We know it's wrong. We know it's illegal. We know that speeding can increase the cause of a accident. Yet we do it anyways.

    It doesn't make us bad people. Just sometimes we make bad judgement calls. No need to crucify someone based on their decisions especially if it doesn't concern you.


    We've all done it once or twice. But to keep risking your life for the momentary satisfaction? Not worth it.
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    Apr 05, 2015 7:32 PM GMT
    Mulignan said
    __morphic__ said
    Mulignan saidAs Truvada use increases, the stigma against barebacking will lessen. I think those who bareback regularly are either couples in monogamous relationships or "breeders", men who refuse to use condoms and almost always cum inside their partners. It's definitely not a widespread practice.

    Trust me, it isn't as rare as you would like to believe. Especially, here in Berlin, it's like a mecca for such kind of activities. Right now, during easter week you can easily find 100-200 guys having a bareback party in the biggest sex club here. Even on normal days, without tourists, barebacking is quite rampant here.


    Wow! Mind blown. I knew about those Berlin sex clubs but "bareback parties"? Wow.

    In my original post, I guess I was focusing on America. Barebacking is looked down upon in the gay community, and has been relegated almost to a subculture.


    Looked down upon? Hardly. It's the majority.
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    Apr 05, 2015 8:19 PM GMT
    Mulignan said
    jmusmc85 saidI liken in to speeding.

    We all (well most) of us do it. We know it's wrong. We know it's illegal. We know that speeding can increase the cause of a accident. Yet we do it anyways.

    It doesn't make us bad people. Just sometimes we make bad judgement calls. No need to crucify someone based on their decisions especially if it doesn't concern you.


    We've all done it once or twice. But to keep risking your life for the momentary satisfaction? Not worth it.

    Once or twice?

    Oh sweetie. Either you are lying, or you drive like a grandma...icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 05, 2015 8:20 PM GMT
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    jmusmc85 saidI liken in to speeding.

    We all (well most) of us do it. We know it's wrong. We know it's illegal. We know that speeding can increase the cause of a accident. Yet we do it anyways.

    It doesn't make us bad people. Just sometimes we make bad judgement calls. No need to crucify someone based on their decisions especially if it doesn't concern you.

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    Wow!!!

    That is the most intelligent thing you've said on here ever.


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  • Goodluckyman

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    Apr 05, 2015 9:38 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidWhy not simply allow people to make their own choices and stop trying to fish for a flame war? To the OP, we could ask the same about your parents. Why did they bareback? What gives your parents the right to bareback yet two gay men can't? Look at the risks involved with true breeders. They popped out a child who, thirty years later doesn't even have the courage to post a photo of his face; yet so redundant with all these excessive crotch shots in his underwear and hip hop street look with his pants pulled down several inches.

    Do black guys think this really looks attractive or something?

    Can't even show your face yet you want to know the private details of other people's sex lives or rather intimating that people here justify something you don't approve of. Only seven posts with an unverified account that's not even two weeks old. Oh I'm sure you really are the "new kid on the block."




    Thank you all.

    I pick on this response because it goes way beyond the scope of the question. Big up for providing much more than I asked for...being proactive in a way ha ha ha.

    People mostly fail because they create their own questions and answer them when a question is provided.

    If you do not understand my question; "with all the risks associated, I never quite understand this practice. Are barebackers immune or something?", you do not have to respond.....pass.

    I should have been clearer in my question but we can do better intepreting a question- to talk about my parents having barebacked to have me is to miss the point in a big way.

    The first response by SilverRRCloud provided a good tone that the respondent may have followed but I can only guess why he went off on a tangent at a high speed.

    Anyways, the response has answered a number of deep seated questions the person may have wanted to address but may not have found a good forum.

    I am happy to be insulted if it is an a must treatment for somebody ha ha-if it makes someone happy and fulfilled, I can take it anytime, only online though.

    I wont show you my face because you do not know why it is not showing.....you have your ideas already and I respect them.
  • Goodluckyman

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    Apr 05, 2015 9:43 PM GMT
    If people took their time to answer questions as thougthfully as, for example this guy SilverRRCloud, we would learn a lot.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 05, 2015 9:55 PM GMT
    Barebacking is both stupid and dangerous for gay men. With all the statistics and info about the risks of STDs through barebacking you would think that some of these guys would have the common sense to avoid barebacking at all times. These selfish guys are a major liability for the gay community due to their careless, wreck less behavior. They are also giving the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs more viable reasons to fiercely protest equality for us. As for the claim that barebacking feels more natural and much better, that is just a beautiful, elaborate excuse to do something that is not only very risky but also highly irresponsible.
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    Apr 05, 2015 10:44 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidBarebacking is both stupid and dangerous for gay men. With all the statistics and info about the risks of STDs through barebacking you would think that some of these guys would have the common sense to avoid barebacking at all times. These selfish guys are a major liability for the gay community due to their careless, wreck less behavior. They are also giving the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs more viable reasons to fiercely protest equality for us. As for the claim that barebacking feels more natural and much better, that is just a beautiful, elaborate excuse to do something that is not only very risky but also highly irresponsible.


    That fact is "condomless sex" exists. That's the CDC's new definition. They have gotten rid of "unprotected sex".
    "The change in language is long overdue. The new language reflects current advances in biomedical, treatment as intervention, viral suppression and more. Perhaps once upon a time, all condomless sex was viewed through a lens of heightened risk for HIV. That is no longer the case. Men and women are using PrEP and antiretrovviral therapy, for instance, as tools to substantially lower their risk. What if you are on treatment and have an undetectable viral load? That is a new 'protection' that thankfully has become available."

    It doesn't matter if you "approve" or not. If you follow the ACON (Australian) 5 definitions of "safe(r) sex" as posted above it demonstrates that it is not "careless, reckless behavior" "very risky" OR "highly irresponsible" for HIV. STI are another matter. But even condoms don't protect against everything. And combining HIV and STIs is disingenuous. There are cures (shots, pills) for common STDs. There is NO cure for HIV.

    If I were Negative, I would use a condom with any unknown status person....no matter what they say. Many don't know they are infected because they don't get tested.

  • christastic

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    Apr 05, 2015 10:48 PM GMT
    The possibility of an under-douched rectum is enough to make me use a condom every time icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 05, 2015 10:51 PM GMT
    Goodluckyman saidIf people took their time to answer questions as thougthfully as, for example this guy SilverRRCloud, we would learn a lot.


    He essentially agrees with YOU. If all you want is an echo, why bother posting a question?
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    Apr 05, 2015 10:52 PM GMT
    christastic saidThe possibility of an under-douched rectum is enough to make me use a condom every time icon_lol.gif


    I'd have to agree there!