The Fire & Brimstone Crowd: At Peak Fear Mongering

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    Apr 11, 2015 7:41 AM GMT

    Lets not forget the execute the gays CA ballot initiative icon_rolleyes.gif



    Ted Cruz: Gay community is waging a “jihad” against people of faith
    GOP presidential candidate hopes to "bring people together" by condoning discrimination
    http://www.salon.com/2015/04/10/ted_cruz_gay_community_is_waging_a_jihad_against_people_of_faith/

    Gay marriage could lead to “civil war”: The Christian right’s latest bigoted theory
    In a recent conference call, James Dobson explained how legalizing gay marriage would send America into disarray
    http://www.salon.com/2015/04/10/gay_marriage_could_lead_to_civil_war_the_christian_rights_latest_bigoted_theory/
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    Apr 11, 2015 12:39 PM GMT
    as much as i love raging against the religious right I just cannot bring myself to read Salon.com. Their idea of "journalism" leaves much to be desired.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 11, 2015 5:30 PM GMT
    ELNathB said
    Lets not forget the execute the gays CA ballot initiative icon_rolleyes.gif



    Ted Cruz: Gay community is waging a “jihad” against people of faith
    GOP presidential candidate hopes to "bring people together" by condoning discrimination
    http://www.salon.com/2015/04/10/ted_cruz_gay_community_is_waging_a_jihad_against_people_of_faith/

    Gay marriage could lead to “civil war”: The Christian right’s latest bigoted theory
    In a recent conference call, James Dobson explained how legalizing gay marriage would send America into disarray
    http://www.salon.com/2015/04/10/gay_marriage_could_lead_to_civil_war_the_christian_rights_latest_bigoted_theory/
    All the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs are quite aware that the writing is on the wall in terms of their own jihad. This is their last gasp effort in trying to turn the U.S. into a Christian theocracy. They are bitterly pissed because they are going to lose and that most Americans condemn their ignorance and bigotry.
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    Apr 11, 2015 7:47 PM GMT
    Unfortunately, a huge chunk of the Repub party agrees with this hatemongering bullshit.

    The modern day Repub party has been taken over by far right-wing nuts - and so far the Repubs are making no effort to try to kick out the extremists and return the Repub party to moderation.
    Until they at least start trying to do that, the Repub party doesn't deserve the support of any sane moderate person.
  • tazzari

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    Apr 11, 2015 8:08 PM GMT
    The_Polaris saidUnfortunately, a huge chunk of the Repub party agrees with this hatemongering bullshit.

    The modern day Repub party has been taken over by far right-wing nuts - and so far the Repubs are making no effort to try to kick out the extremists and return the Repub party to moderation.
    Until they at least start trying to do that, the Repub party doesn't deserve the support of any sane moderate person.


    While agreeing with you conclusion totally, I think the reason the GOP is slightly so off the rails is different: I'm sure the party leaders, cynical party pols like Boehner, etc., don't believe much of anything. But they pandered to the people dumb enough to believe all their faux values garbage was real, and now they're both stuck with them and depend on them. The reactionary religious crowd are true believes, and because they know god hates all the same stuff they do, the believe they have license to do or say anything they want.
  • Lincsbear

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    Apr 11, 2015 8:26 PM GMT
    I think another reason why the Republican party has tolerated the fundamentalists is their energy and money. Being true believers, they really go for the campaigning and activism, etc.
    It is a morbidly fascinating conflict: at what point will intelligent/moderate Republicans/conservatives/libertarians decide the fundamentalists and idealists are more of a liability than an asset; and what kind of split or schism will result from it?
  • bobbobbob

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    Apr 11, 2015 8:41 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    All the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs are quite aware that the writing is on the wall in terms of their own jihad. This is their last gasp effort in trying to turn the U.S. into a Christian theocracy. They are bitterly pissed because they are going to lose and that most Americans condemn their ignorance and bigotry.


    ^^
    TRUE.
    In fact it's truer than most people outside the upper echelons of fundamentalism are aware. They've know for over a decade they are fighting for their own existence – and losing on all fronts.

    Here's a link to a nine year old survey done by fundamentalists that is truly frightening to them but good news for the rest of us.
    Scroll down to the actual numbers for the meat of the survey.

    http://www.peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html

    Highlights for teens
    Only 4% of U.S. teens are defined as real “Evangelicals”
    83% of teens believe that moral truth depends on the circumstances.
    65% say that the devil, or Satan, is not a living being but is a symbol of evil. [See Rev. 20:10.]
    61% agree Heaven is gained by personal merit. (2000). ^1 [A false gospel. Only on Christ's merit and expense, can we be saved, not on ours or a churches: Eph. 1:8-10]
    Just 22% of those ages 25 to 29 attended church in the last week.
    Only 9% of “born again” teens believe there moral absolutes."

    Read it and bookmark it for future reference. The numbers speak for themselves;
    Christian Fundamentalism is going extinct.











  • tazzari

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    Apr 11, 2015 10:07 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    roadbikeRob said
    All the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs are quite aware that the writing is on the wall in terms of their own jihad. This is their last gasp effort in trying to turn the U.S. into a Christian theocracy. They are bitterly pissed because they are going to lose and that most Americans condemn their ignorance and bigotry.


    ^^
    TRUE.
    In fact it's truer than most people outside the upper echelons of fundamentalism are aware. They've know for over a decade they are fighting for their own existence – and losing on all fronts.

    Here's a link to a nine year old survey done by fundamentalists that is truly frightening to them but good news for the rest of us.
    Scroll down to the actual numbers for the meat of the survey.

    http://www.peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html

    Highlights for teens
    Only 4% of U.S. teens are defined as real “Evangelicals”
    83% of teens believe that moral truth depends on the circumstances.
    65% say that the devil, or Satan, is not a living being but is a symbol of evil. [See Rev. 20:10.]
    61% agree Heaven is gained by personal merit. (2000). ^1 [A false gospel. Only on Christ's merit and expense, can we be saved, not on ours or a churches: Eph. 1:8-10]
    Just 22% of those ages 25 to 29 attended church in the last week.
    Only 9% of “born again” teens believe there moral absolutes."

    Read it and bookmark it for future reference. The numbers speak for themselves;
    Christian Fundamentalism is going extinct.













    Dying snakes can still bire.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 11, 2015 11:13 PM GMT
    I would love to see that rabid, right wing organization known as Focus on the Family go bankrupt and extinct. The great city of Colorado Springs will finally be set free from the nation's premier narrow minded bible thumping screwball, James Dobson and all his blind sycophants. Probably we could purchase the Focus office campus and convert it into a huge gay resort and health club with muscular, sexy go go dancers shaking their speedo clad asses in every building.icon_lol.gificon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 12, 2015 2:51 AM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    roadbikeRob said
    All the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs are quite aware that the writing is on the wall in terms of their own jihad. This is their last gasp effort in trying to turn the U.S. into a Christian theocracy. They are bitterly pissed because they are going to lose and that most Americans condemn their ignorance and bigotry.


    ^^
    TRUE.
    In fact it's truer than most people outside the upper echelons of fundamentalism are aware. They've know for over a decade they are fighting for their own existence – and losing on all fronts.

    Here's a link to a nine year old survey done by fundamentalists that is truly frightening to them but good news for the rest of us.
    Scroll down to the actual numbers for the meat of the survey.

    http://www.peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html

    Highlights for teens
    Only 4% of U.S. teens are defined as real “Evangelicals”
    83% of teens believe that moral truth depends on the circumstances.
    65% say that the devil, or Satan, is not a living being but is a symbol of evil. [See Rev. 20:10.]
    61% agree Heaven is gained by personal merit. (2000). ^1 [A false gospel. Only on Christ's merit and expense, can we be saved, not on ours or a churches: Eph. 1:8-10]
    Just 22% of those ages 25 to 29 attended church in the last week.
    Only 9% of “born again” teens believe there moral absolutes."

    Read it and bookmark it for future reference. The numbers speak for themselves;
    Christian Fundamentalism is going extinct.







    Christian fundamentalists have known for twenty years they are fighting for their existence, and they do see it as a fight, or in their terminology, a spiritual battle.

    To stave off and ultimately reverse their dwindling numbers, some groups have become part of the Quiverfull movement. There are similar movements that focus on large “traditional” families (one of which was the focus of a TLC series), but Quiverfull also has the political aim to breed as many children as possible to increase the Christian vote.

    They’re in their second generation.
  • bobbobbob

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    Apr 12, 2015 5:24 AM GMT
    FN_R5000I said
    Christian fundamentalists have known for twenty years they are fighting for their existence, and they do see it as a fight, or in their terminology, a spiritual battle.

    To stave off and ultimately reverse their dwindling numbers, some groups have become part of the Quiverfull movement. There are similar movements that focus on large “traditional” families (one of which was the focus of a TLC series), but Quiverfull also has the political aim to breed as many children as possible to increase the Christian vote.

    They’re in their second generation.


    Oh yeah! Let's not forget them! LOL. We have a lively bunch of them here. Real easy to spot in public.

    But there's good news on them as well. A large number of them are not the wholesome lithium happy family like the Duggars of TV. According to a video by a minister I saw on a Christian forum 2 years ago, 75% of quiver offspring abandon church as soon as they move out of their parents houses... and of that 75% only 20% return to to fundamentalist churches. So in other words all the fucking they are doing to reproduce their numbers is in actuality adding numbers to the moderate Christians and non religious more than the Quiver movement.

    Are you are dead on about them perceiving the fight for their existence as a spiritual struggle. They're almost at the tipping point of embracing what can best be described as Christian Jihadism.

    I'm in contact with guys who are working on putting together a directory of Faith based initiatives run by fundamentalists to finance their Political groups. It's a real dirty money trail that's hiding under the anonymity of church tithing, the fact that faith based initiatives are treated as private businesses and some real underhanded means of funneling money... Like a 5 year old boy having a checking account that regularly produces transactions of over $1000 to faith based initiative businesses. I found that out through a bank employee.
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    Apr 12, 2015 2:31 PM GMT
    This Quiverful thing is hardly an organized movement. It's a loose association of devout protestants and catholics of all stripes who believe that God wants them to have as many children as possible.
    I know because I am a product of such a family. I have 12 brothers and sisters. A little over half of which still go to church.

    I don't think we need to worry about the bombastic hyperbole of these people. They've lost and most of them know it. Ignore them and their silly proposals to stone gays like the nutter in California.
  • bobbobbob

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    Apr 12, 2015 2:45 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi saidThis Quiverful thing is hardly an organized movement. It's a loose association of devout protestants and catholics of all stripes who believe that God wants them to have as many children as possible.
    I know because I am a product of such a family. I have 12 brothers and sisters. A little over half of which still go to church.

    I don't think we need to worry about the bombastic hyperbole of these people. They've lost and most of them know it. Ignore them and their silly proposals to stone gays like the nutter in California.


    I'm inclined to agree with you. There's one thing that I keep running into when I think about some of what you called "their silly proposals." I always make it a point to confront our local bible fanatics when I see them making a spectacle of themselves. (we have a large fundamentalist "college" here. Students from it seem to like to making small mobs outside restaurants and bars to entertain tourists with their ignorance) The thing I've noticed when I bring up "silly proposals" to them, NONE of them attempt t defend them. In fact most roll their eyes and change the subject... like they are embarrassed about the extreme measures some really serious nuts will go to.

    Has anyone else noticed this?
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Apr 12, 2015 3:18 PM GMT
    How about this fairly reasoned essay by Bill Moyers from 2012 - the left needs to a pathway to true freedom of religious freedom rather than freedom from religion and the right needs to quit trying to impose their largely conservative protestant religion: http://billmoyers.com/content/bill-moyers-essay-freedom-of-and-from-religion/
  • NealJohn

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    Apr 13, 2015 9:43 PM GMT
    A true Christian would never try to change the laws of the land to reflect their religion. Jesus himself instructs his people that this world is not theirs, leading by example and letting himself being taken before pilot and sentenced for something he was not guilty of. He could have fought but when Peter drew his sword to defend Him he told him not to fight.
    Sadly these people are not Christians. They are hypocrites and they will face judgment the same as everyone else. Just make sure you get to the ballots and vote. Let our voice be heard
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    I keep saying that the only thing that keeps the religious right in the news is Gays reporting about it. They only represent 15% of the population at best.

    bobbobbob said
    roadbikeRob said
    All the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs are quite aware that the writing is on the wall in terms of their own jihad. This is their last gasp effort in trying to turn the U.S. into a Christian theocracy. They are bitterly pissed because they are going to lose and that most Americans condemn their ignorance and bigotry.


    ^^
    TRUE.
    In fact it's truer than most people outside the upper echelons of fundamentalism are aware. They've know for over a decade they are fighting for their own existence – and losing on all fronts.

    Here's a link to a nine year old survey done by fundamentalists that is truly frightening to them but good news for the rest of us.
    Scroll down to the actual numbers for the meat of the survey.

    http://www.peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html

    Highlights for teens
    Only 4% of U.S. teens are defined as real “Evangelicals”
    83% of teens believe that moral truth depends on the circumstances.
    65% say that the devil, or Satan, is not a living being but is a symbol of evil. [See Rev. 20:10.]
    61% agree Heaven is gained by personal merit. (2000). ^1 [A false gospel. Only on Christ's merit and expense, can we be saved, not on ours or a churches: Eph. 1:8-10]
    Just 22% of those ages 25 to 29 attended church in the last week.
    Only 9% of “born again” teens believe there moral absolutes."

    Read it and bookmark it for future reference. The numbers speak for themselves;
    Christian Fundamentalism is going extinct.











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    Apr 13, 2015 10:41 PM GMT
    Alpha13 said

    I keep saying that the only thing that keeps the religious right in the news is Gays reporting about it. They only represent 15% of the population at best.



    Yes but they make up a much larger portion of the Republican base. They also vote at higher rates and donate/volunteer at higher rates. So they punch above their weight. Especially in states like Iowa and South Carolina.
  • madsexy

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    Apr 14, 2015 1:21 AM GMT
    Life2Short saidas much as i love raging against the religious right I just cannot bring myself to read Salon.com. Their idea of "journalism" leaves much to be desired.

    It's difficult to even use the j-word with salon.com! icon_rolleyes.gif