To Win Against Moneyed GOP, Hillary Needs to Do 5 Things

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    Apr 12, 2015 6:18 PM GMT
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    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/13/us/elections/hillary-clinton.html
  • bobbobbob

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    Apr 12, 2015 6:39 PM GMT
    Not a bad article but I think it really missed some important negative points that will be inevitable for Hillary. That's just my opinion. She's begun housecleaning this week. Several websites related to her have mysteriously gone offline. I'll be doing a thread about them as soon as I'm through double checking some things.

    And by your "Moneyed GOP" reference are you attempting to imply that the GOP will raise more campaign money than she will?
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 12, 2015 7:13 PM GMT
    Hillary stands to raise 2 BILLION some accountants estimate. I'll be sending my check (in addition to other voter outreach efforts).

    Hillary 2016
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    Apr 12, 2015 7:19 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidHillary stands to raise 2 BILLION some accountants estimate. I'll be sending my check (in addition to other voter outreach efforts).

    Hillary 2016
    You are a brain dead idiot for wanting this power hungry, incompetent whore for President. May you and all other supporters of the hapless Hillary ho be committed to psychiatric wards for all of 2016 so you cannot vote and not released until January 31, 2017 after a thorough psychiatric evaluation. You are a risky liability to this great country for wanting this bitch.
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    Apr 12, 2015 7:46 PM GMT
    Folks are free to fund as they feel - though it'd be better if they gave after some thought - but I seriously doubt that many GOPers will be contributing to Hillary's campaign, even if she becomes the Demos' nominee against a weak GOPer. In fact, of all the GOPers I know, including the moneyed, business tycoons all over SoCal, I can't think of a single one who'd want to have anything to do w/ her. Perhaps it's different on Wall St. - she does have a bit of a history lurking thereabouts, after all - but she is by no means as attractive a candidate Obama was.
  • bobbobbob

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    Apr 12, 2015 7:50 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidHillary stands to raise 2 BILLION some accountants estimate. I'll be sending my check (in addition to other voter outreach efforts).

    Hillary 2016


    Don't forget to go to this thread and decide how you want to handle your problem.

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    Apr 12, 2015 8:04 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidFolks are free to fund as they feel - though it'd be better if they gave after some thought - but I seriously doubt that many GOPers will be contributing to Hillary's campaign, even if she becomes the Demos' nominee against a weak GOPer. In fact, of all the GOPers I know, including the moneyed, business tycoons all over SoCal, I can't think of a single one who'd want to have anything to do w/ her. Perhaps it's different on Wall St. - she does have a bit of a history lurking thereabouts, after all - but she is by no means as attractive a candidate Obama was.


    ^^^
    I wasn't going to mention any of that and start a debate about it on this thread. However I know several long time relatively wealthy liberals (gay and straight) who are quietly abandoning ship as far as supporting a liberal candidate for president or congress.

    I already a fairly good idea who I'll support in the conservative melee for the nomination but there's no reason for me start a debate by throwing that his name into this thread.
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 12, 2015 8:40 PM GMT
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    Haters will hate. Jealousy is such a pretty color on you icon_cool.gif
  • bobbobbob

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    Apr 12, 2015 8:55 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said@43RuePerronet

    Haters will hate. Jealousy is such a pretty color on you icon_cool.gif


    Now we know you've seen where you've been caught in what appears to be a pretty outlandish I suppose how you chose to handle it will be important.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2571326?forumpage=12
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 12, 2015 10:33 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    Svnw688 said@43RuePerronet

    Haters will hate. Jealousy is such a pretty color on you icon_cool.gif


    Now we know you've seen where you've been caught in what appears to be a pretty outlandish I suppose how you chose to handle it will be important.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2571326?forumpage=12


    You're a joke. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 12, 2015 10:37 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said
    bobbobbob said
    Svnw688 said@43RuePerronet

    Haters will hate. Jealousy is such a pretty color on you icon_cool.gif


    Now we know you've seen where you've been caught in what appears to be a pretty outlandish I suppose how you chose to handle it will be important.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2571326?forumpage=12


    You're a joke. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
    He is a jokeicon_question.gifYou should go and stand in front of a mirror before finding fault with others.
  • venue35

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    Apr 12, 2015 10:40 PM GMT
    Look you can call her whatever you want but calling her a whore is low And it's lame. She probably is power and money hungry but a whore??? Pleeze
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    Apr 13, 2015 3:36 AM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    And by your "Moneyed GOP" reference are you attempting to imply that the GOP will raise more campaign money than she will?


    I do think they have more money to raise.

    Ted Cruz seemingly overnight raises $31 million from a hedge fund upending the GOP race to the primary.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/09/us/super-pacs-network-quickly-raises-31-million-for-ted-cruz.html?ref=politics

    Jeb Bush is raising so much he has asked donors to limit their contributions to $1 million.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/opinion/the-jeb-bush-approach-to-campaign-financing.html

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    Apr 14, 2015 2:52 AM GMT
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    NYT: Hillary had lunch at Chipotle in Maumee, Ohio, outside Toledo.

    Mrs. Clinton was not traveling incognito — two aides and some Secret Service agents were with her — but patrons and staff in Maumee, Ohio, took no notice.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/14/us/politics/on-the-road-hillary-clinton-stops-for-lunch-at-chipotle-and-goes-unrecognized.html?ref=politics
  • bobbobbob

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    Apr 14, 2015 12:26 PM GMT
    woodsmen said
    bobbobbob said
    And by your "Moneyed GOP" reference are you attempting to imply that the GOP will raise more campaign money than she will?


    I do think they have more money to raise.

    Ted Cruz seemingly overnight raises $31 million from a hedge fund upending the GOP race to the primary.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/09/us/super-pacs-network-quickly-raises-31-million-for-ted-cruz.html?ref=politics

    Jeb Bush is raising so much he has asked donors to limit their contributions to $1 million.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/opinion/the-jeb-bush-approach-to-campaign-financing.html


    Oh heck LOL.. you're talking about pocket change. Here's a color coded list of the top 50 contributors in the last election divided up liberal and conservative. You'll see all the bitching you guys try to do about conservatives is lame bullshit. Go to the site and fact check me you need to.

    Stop creating bullshit issues that are lies.
    13 of top 50 contributors are for conservatives.

    Based on data released by the FEC on February 02, 2015.

    [url]http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
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    TOP FIFTY ORGANIZATIONS MAKING POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS
    60% or more Democratic contributions in BLUE
    60% or more Republican contributions in RED

    1 SEIU DEMS $220,583,547 REP $1,294,019 99% to 1%
    2 ActBlue DEMS $149,042,063 REP$47,977 100 to 0%
    3 American Fed of St/Cnty/Mun Emps DEMS $92,468,032 REPS $658,305 99% to 1%
    4 NEA DEMS $88,270,350 REP $3,196,459 97% to 4%
    5 Fahr LLC DEMS $75,279,259 REPS $0 100% to 0%

    6 Am Fed of Teachers DEMS $68,756,334 REPS $349,250 100% to 1%

    7 Las Vegas Sands DEMS $10,950 REP $69,273,011 0% to 100%

    8 National Assn of Realtors DEMS $24,604,810 REPS $26,074,503 49% 51%

    9 Carpenters & Joiners Union DEMS $63,032,112 REPS $4,357,097 94% to 7%
    10 UF&CW Union DEMS $62,522,712 REPS $294,650 100% to 1%
    11 Intl B of Elec Workers DEMS $61,752,216 REPS $965,973 99% to 2%


    ]12 AT&T Inc DEMS $25,126,987 REPS $35,134,262 42% to 58%

    13 Laborers Union DEMS $50,181,151 REPS $3,326,710 94% to 6%

    14 Perry Homes DEMS $22,300 REPS $55,190,449 0% to 100%

    15 Goldman Sachs $27,661,505 $23,861,393 54% to 46%

    16 American Assn for Justice DEMS $44,114,710 REP $3,445,417 93% to 7%

    17 Contran Corp DEMS $648,268 REPS $45,003,504 1% to 99%

    18 AFL-CIO DEMS $44,009,551 REPS $1,117,351 98% 3%
    19 Soros Fund Mgmnt DEMS $43,360,590 REPS $978,550 98% to 2%
    20 UAW DEMS $43,139,257 REPS $219,100 99.% to 1%
    21 CWA DEMS $42,751,454 REPS $222,415 99% to 1%
    22 Teamsters DEMS $40,413,028 REPS $2,160,966 95% to 5%


    Continued......
  • bobbobbob

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    Apr 14, 2015 12:27 PM GMT
    23 Adelson Drug Clinic DEMS $0 REPS $42,516,718 0% to 100%

    24 Plumbers Union DEMS $38,815,454 REPS $1,312,595 97% to 3%
    25 Newsweb Corp DEMS $39,843,321 REPS $251,250 99% to 1%
    26 EMILY's List DEMS $37,714,800 REPS $4,794 100% to 0%


    27 Citigroup Inc DEMS $16,920,980 REPS $17,794,340 49% to 51%

    28 UPS DEMS $12,277,036 REPS $22,272,174 36% to 65%

    29 JPMorgan DEMS $16,473,349 REPS $17,869,149 48% 52%

    30 Natl Auto Dealers $10,830,961 $23,390,299 32% to 68%

    31 Am Bankers Assn DEMS $11,976,001 REPS $22,086,380 35% to 65%

    32 Sheet Metal Union DEMS $33,353,710 REPS $543,585 98% to 2%
    33 Natl Assn Letter Carriers DEMS $24,759,900 REP $2,506,525 91% to 9%
    34 Mach/Aerospace Wkrs Union DEMS $32,910,826 REPS $397,061 99% to 1%
    35 Victory Campaign DEMS $33,038,925 REP $0 100% to 0%


    36 BCBS DEMS $11,811,791 REPS $20,722,505 36% to 64%

    37 Microsoft Corp DEMS $17,901,284 REPS $14,134,226 56% to 44%

    38 Amer Medical Assn DEMS $12,822,087 REPS $19,147,313 40% to 60%

    39 Oper Enginrs Union DEMS $27,888,942 REPS $4,032,624 87% to 13%

    40 Natl Beer Whlslrs Assn DEMS $11,511,285 REPS $20,212,375 36% to 64%

    41 Gen Electric DEMS $14,510,039 REPS $16,179,243 47% to 53%
    42 Lockheed Martin $29,741,440 $12,644,328 $17,057,731 43% to 57%

    43 Natl Assn Home Bldrs DEMS $10,083,090 REPS $19,445,184 34% to 66%

    44 Bloomberg Lp DEMS $11,444,329 REPS $709,277 94% to 6%

    45 Bank of America DEMS $12,065,002 REPS $17,221,843 41%to 59%

    46 Elliott Mgmnt DEMS $126,560 REPS $28,775,456 0% to 100%

    47 United Steelworkers DEMS $19,565,633 REPS $73,511 100% to 0%

    48 Morgan Stanley DEMS $12,256,722 REPS $16,099,783 43% to 57%
    49 Verizon DEMS $11,416,841 REPS $16,807,286 41% 59%

    50 Koch Industries DEMS $1,693,624 REPS $26,552,172 6% to 94%



    13 of the top 50 organizations contributing to politics in the US give 60% or more of their money to Republicans.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Apr 14, 2015 12:33 PM GMT
    Still posting that old chestnut, Bobo? Why not talk about all the dark money?
  • bobbobbob

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    Apr 14, 2015 1:15 PM GMT
    Physiqueflex saidStill posting that old chestnut, Bobo? Why not talk about all the dark money?


    I'd be glad to if someone had brought it up. I was replying directly to the silly whiney reports about friggin pocket change going to a few conservatives.

    If you want to talk about dark money let's include the funding that's gone into and filtered out of the Clinton Foundation in the past six years - and the money the Koch brothers have diverted into other political groups.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Apr 14, 2015 1:46 PM GMT
    Well, we can talk about the money in and out of the Clinton Foundation because that information is readily available. They took in about a quarter million last year, and in the last election cycle contributed less than $100,000.00 to political campaigns. Most of their spending seems to be on travel for the former president. icon_lol.gif

    The Koch's on the other hand will be funneling some $900 Million from their network of anonymous donors through several 501(c)(4)'s into the campaign. Any GOP winner will be beholden to increased oil exploration, tax cuts on the highest income earners, the repeal of the ACA, and disenfranchising as many voters as possible.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Apr 14, 2015 2:10 PM GMT
    At this point, there simply is no comparison between the moneyed interests supporting the GOP candidates and those supporting Hillary. That is likely to change however. Any one of the top supporters on either side can outbid the rest of the country combined for the heart, mind, and soul of the candidates of their choice, and at the moment their choice seems to be Republican.
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    Apr 14, 2015 4:23 PM GMT
    2016 Republican Presidential Prospects Raise Money Under The Table

    NYT: The strategy has allowed former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, for example, to embark on an undeclared national campaign that has vacuumed up what media reports have said is a huge sum.

    Presumptive candidates, including Walker and Jeb Bush, have opened appearances one-on-one with big donors or before groups of donors – including at a $100,000 per plate Bush fundraising dinner.

    The current record for campaign funds raised in one quarter is $50 million by Jeb's brother George W. Bush in 2007, but many experts expect that to be outstripped this year by at least one candidate due to the broader use of PACs.

    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2015/03/06/us/politics/06reuters-usa-election-republicans.html
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 14, 2015 4:42 PM GMT
    Physiqueflex saidWell, we can talk about the money in and out of the Clinton Foundation because that information is readily available. They took in about a quarter million last year, and in the last election cycle contributed less than $100,000.00 to political campaigns. Most of their spending seems to be on travel for the former president. icon_lol.gif

    The Koch's on the other hand will be funneling some $900 Million from their network of anonymous donors through several 501(c)(4)'s into the campaign. Any GOP winner will be beholden to increased oil exploration, tax cuts on the highest income earners, the repeal of the ACA, and disenfranchising as many voters as possible.


    Bingo. Bobo is nuts. He's a paid wonk for the right.
  • bobbobbob

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    Apr 15, 2015 2:00 AM GMT
    It's time to document one more lie from the skinny prissy little ballerina boy who lies all the time.

    here's a link to a whole basket of bullshit lies he's been caught in. all he can do is now is call people names, sock puppets, paid to post, and whatever else.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2571326?forumpage=14

    Just a lame nasty little nellie ballerina boy with some mental issues.
  • bobbobbob

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    Apr 15, 2015 2:02 AM GMT
    Physiqueflex saidWell, we can talk about the money in and out of the Clinton Foundation because that information is readily available. They took in about a quarter million last year, and in the last election cycle contributed less than $100,000.00 to political campaigns. Most of their spending seems to be on travel for the former president. icon_lol.gif

    The Koch's on the other hand will be funneling some $900 Million from their network of anonymous donors through several 501(c)(4)'s into the campaign. Any GOP winner will be beholden to increased oil exploration, tax cuts on the highest income earners, the repeal of the ACA, and disenfranchising as many voters as possible.


    took in a quarter million last year????????

    They took in more than that from Brunei or Morocco individually.
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    Apr 16, 2015 3:42 AM GMT
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    NYT: Even at small events, Hillary draws frenzy of attention.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/15/us/politics/for-hillary-clinton-small-events-still-draw-a-frenzy-of-attention.html?ref=politics