Should Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld & CIA Officials Be Tried for Torture? War Crimes Case Filed in Germany

  • metta

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    Apr 13, 2015 3:34 PM GMT
    Should Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld & CIA Officials Be Tried for Torture? War Crimes Case Filed in Germany


    http://www.democracynow.org/2014/12/19/should_bush_and_cheney_be_tried
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    Apr 13, 2015 8:37 PM GMT
    Finally, something!! I know this isn't going to do much, but at least someone has the balls to do it.
  • Destinharbor

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    Apr 13, 2015 10:02 PM GMT
    I'd love to see it happen. How the Right chooses to not see the horror of that administration and its murderous ways including the Iraq war itself is beyond me. You'd think they'd at least notice the damage to the US Treasury. Or that more American men died because of their trumped-up war than was killed by Bin Laden. Or that it and their pitiful management of their "Mission Accomplished" civilian rule started a waive of Sunni and Shiite tribalism that has now spread throughout the middle east. Instead they just hurl unfounded insults to Obama and now Hillary.
  • Lincsbear

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    Apr 13, 2015 10:34 PM GMT
    Yes, and add Blair, too.
  • Destinharbor

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    Apr 13, 2015 10:44 PM GMT
    Lincsbear saidYes, and add Blair, too.

    I was more disappointed in Blair than just about anyone. For a while I kept thinking "If Blair is on-board, there must be more than what I'm seeing and hearing." Because all I saw was the neocons moving the line on Iraq compliance every time they alleged that he had WMD and the UN investigators kept saying No. But if Blair agreed, I was semi-believing. I later learned that he was almost messianic and a bit of a religious nut if that isn't redundant. But I don't know that he was involved in the torture and rendition crimes. Hillary caved in her Senate vote and for that I'll never entirely trust her but at least she has had the good graces to admit it was a colossal error.
  • Lincsbear

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    Apr 13, 2015 10:54 PM GMT
    I wasn`t. Blair is a consummate politician and knows well the first rule of politics: keep in with the powerful. His mistake was to exaggerate the whole WMD issue instead of using the argument of solidarity with the US.
    I don`t think the British government/security services were directly involved in torture, etc. There is a investigation going on here at the moment.
    What I fear will be revealed is complicity: the British knew pretty much what the Americans were up to, kept quiet, and took any intelligence offered that was gained under torture.
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    Apr 14, 2015 4:20 AM GMT
    metta8 saidShould Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld & CIA Officials Be Tried for Torture? War Crimes Case Filed in Germany

    http://www.democracynow.org/2014/12/19/should_bush_and_cheney_be_tried

    Nice gesture, but I doubt it will come to anything. Still, war crimes charges being filed in Germany against US officials have a certain irony to them. Maybe those charged can claim they were simply following orders. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 14, 2015 5:25 AM GMT
    I was kind of astounded when Cheney started pushing himself back into the public light a couple of months ago. You'd think he'd be keeping a low profile, at least, if not actually hiding in a bunker and changing his appearance. Well, probably he'll die before he can be brought to trial.
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    Apr 15, 2015 12:38 AM GMT
    Destinharbor said
    Lincsbear saidYes, and add Blair, too.

    I was more disappointed in Blair than just about anyone. For a while I kept thinking "If Blair is on-board, there must be more than what I'm seeing and hearing." Because all I saw was the neocons moving the line on Iraq compliance every time they alleged that he had WMD and the UN investigators kept saying No. But if Blair agreed, I was semi-believing. I later learned that he was almost messianic and a bit of a religious nut if that isn't redundant. But I don't know that he was involved in the torture and rendition crimes. Hillary caved in her Senate vote and for that I'll never entirely trust her but at least she has had the good graces to admit it was a colossal error.



    "neocons moving the line on Iraq compliance every time they alleged that he had WMD"



  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Apr 15, 2015 4:19 PM GMT
    This is ridiculous. Will go nowhere. Never gonna happen.
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    Apr 15, 2015 6:47 PM GMT
    America is in the UN as a mere grace, and we participate in "international law" as a mere grace.

    Honestly, America should be collecting taxes from the entire Western world to fund the protection that we afford them for free. We should start by taxing Germany, because they gain the most from our protection. Athens imposed a similar tax/tribute on all of the democratic city-states in the Aegean (termed the Delian League), and in exchange Athens protected those city-states from Persia and oligarchic city-states.

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    Apr 15, 2015 7:29 PM GMT
    Yes, but when Samos, one of those Athenian client-states objected to their taxation, it started the Peloponnesian War, which ended in the destruction of classical Greece.