Recap of Why Obama Is Among Great Presidents

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    Apr 14, 2015 11:18 PM GMT
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    NYT: A new survey of American Political Science Association members puts him 18th — there is no doubt that the time of his presidency will be remembered as transformational.

    It is nearly impossible to overstate how close we came to economic collapse in 2008 and how frightened we all were.

    Now, that has turned around. The private sector has seen job growth for 59 straight months. The unemployment rate was down to 5.6 percent in December, the lowest since 2008, and as Reuters pointed out last month, new claims for unemployment benefits reached “the lowest level in nearly 15 years.”

    And in 2012, Obama became the first sitting president to support same-sex marriage. When Obama took office, same-sex marriage was rare; now it’s legal in 37 states.

    The New Republic even dubbed Obama the “Gay-Rights President,” and it is hard to argue with that.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/19/opinion/charles-blow-the-obama-years.html?
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    Apr 15, 2015 12:06 AM GMT
    No, not according to the NYT. They are just reporting the results of a survey by the American Political Science Association. You can find a list of surveys at Wikipedia. The only other survey you'll find there that lists Obama, which is due to the fact that he hasn't finished out his term, is Siena College Research Institute, but keep in mind that they dropped GW Bush in rank once he finished his term. They could do the same with Obama.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

    It's not all sweetness and light in the article, either:

    "But if you are one of the Americans well off enough to own stocks, life looks much better. In 2009, the Dow Jones industrial average had fallen below 7,000; now it’s above 18,000. And yet, as CNBC pointed out in September, the percent of Americans who hold stock either directly or indirectly is at an 18-year low while “stock ownership for the wealthy is at a new high,” based on 2012 data."
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    Apr 16, 2015 8:59 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidAccording to.... The New York Times. Shocking!

    P.S. Your graph showing the "statistics" is totally messed up. If you were to post an item from a publication OTHER THAN The New York Times, I'll tell you how you can fix the graph so it shows completely. icon_wink.gif


    Why can't you ever comprehend anything you idiot? It was reported in the NYT. The survey was not created by the NYT

    OY!
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    Apr 16, 2015 9:38 PM GMT
    when liberals rate H.W. Bush above you, you know you suck.
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    Apr 16, 2015 9:44 PM GMT
    And for the record Woodsman, being rated 18th/44 does not make one "one of the greatest". That'd be like saying that the New Orleans Pelicans were among the great NBA teams this year. A gross misrepresentation of the NYT's position.
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    Apr 16, 2015 9:53 PM GMT
    I did not represent the NYT specific position if any. The article's author called Obama transformative. Given what he has done for our country vis-a-vis the list of accomplishments discussed in the article, I consider him among the greatest presidents. After all his term is not over in comparison to others.

    The 18th ranking was provided to be complete in views of his presidency. This was not hidden away.

    As to gross misrepresentation, Republicans often portray him to Hitler. I think that your hyperbolic qualifier of gross misrepresentation is best applied to them.
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    Apr 16, 2015 10:11 PM GMT
    The statement "one of the greatest presidents" would mean, at minimum, top 5.

    Every other president in American history has not been "transformational". If that were the case, the word "transformational" would lose all of its meaning.

    Maybe to you he is one of the greatest presidents ever. However, the NYT does not seem to share your opinion, and yet you appear to use them to buttress your position.
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    Apr 16, 2015 10:17 PM GMT
    Your cut at 5 is your subjective measure of what is great. Mine is different as the ranking does not mean much given that history has not have time to render its verdict. My premise is based on what he has accomplished. Also the tenor of the article that he is neither one of the worse nor a mediocre president.

    The word transformational was used by the NYT. Why would they say that?
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    Apr 17, 2015 4:39 AM GMT
    Transformative, yes. "One of the greatest"? Premature at best, delusional more likely.

    Keep in mind ... only 30% of Americans believe this country is on the right track, 60% think we're on the wrong track ... the other 10%, they must be hibernating.
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    Apr 17, 2015 4:56 AM GMT
    Not sure where or when you got your numbers but here is the latest.

    NYT: A survey released by the Pew Research Center in January 2015 showed the president’s job-approval rating rising five percentage points in the last month, to 47 percent. It was his highest rating since mid-2013, and it was on par with Ronald Reagan’s (49 percent), above George W. Bush’s (33 percent) and below Bill Clinton’s (63 percent) at roughly the same points in their presidencies, Pew said.

    The jump coincided with a drop of four percentage points, to 40 percent, among those saying they approved of congressional Republicans’ “policies and plans for the future.”

    The results of the survey, conducted from Jan. 7 to 11, suggest that Mr. Obama is getting credit for economic growth and lower unemployment, despite the best efforts of Republicans to claim some credit for the improvements.

    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/01/14/approval-update-obama-up-g-o-p-down/