Unexplained giant pool of warm water off the US Pacific coast

  • tj85016

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    Apr 15, 2015 4:33 AM GMT
    http://www.washington.edu/news/2015/04/09/warm-blob-in-pacific-ocean-linked-to-weird-weather-across-the-u-s/

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/10/californias-drought-and-the-weird-warm-blob-in-the-pacific-that-may-be-fueling-it/

    alarming, to say the least
  • metta

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    Apr 15, 2015 4:53 AM GMT
    Very interesting stuff. Thanks for posting!
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    Apr 15, 2015 4:57 AM GMT
    Mysterious!
  • tj85016

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    Apr 15, 2015 5:00 AM GMT
    pazzy saidunderwater volcanoes, ring of fire leakage???


    who knows? maybe it's a few Fukushima reactor cores
  • MikemikeMike

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    Apr 15, 2015 5:28 AM GMT
    Hilary took a piss there recently!icon_idea.gif
  • tj85016

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    Apr 15, 2015 5:33 AM GMT
    MikemikeMike saidHilary took a piss there recently!icon_idea.gif


    clever. how old are you? 12?
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    Apr 15, 2015 4:21 PM GMT
    It's not mysterious. It's just (relatively) warm southern ocean water traveling north on the currents. This is what keeps the Pacific coast water temperatures "mild" - or cold and miserable to humans, but at least constant, all year round.

    What's unusual is that this "blob"hasn't mixed with the surrounding water as much as it usually does. A bit of chaos in the system.

    It also highlights why it's difficult to predict what global warming will do to our regional climate. It's so dependent on long-term ocean and atmospheric circulation patterns. We don't really know what will happen.
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    Apr 15, 2015 7:52 PM GMT
    Thanks for this interesting post, which is particularly relevant to us who live in drought-ridden CA. I flew from SEA to SAN two weeks ago and was really shocked just how low the reservoirs were and how bare the mts. were of snow for the length of the trip.
  • Destinharbor

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    Apr 15, 2015 9:11 PM GMT
    I heard about this. Apparently the warm water is severely depleting fish stocks causing massive starvation among seals and sea lions. Pups are beaching themselves starving because the mothers can't feed them. The State has a massive rescue program going on but caution to not try to save these poor creatures yourself. Call the Marine Mammal Care Center for help. Very sad.
  • peterstrong

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    Apr 16, 2015 4:12 PM GMT


    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/fukushima

    most likely, i would think - esp. since it sez it doesn't seem to want to mix

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  • Svnw688

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    Apr 16, 2015 4:44 PM GMT
    Has climate change denier, par excellance, Sen. Jim Inhofe weighed in yet?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 17, 2015 12:10 PM GMT
    TomSOCAL saidThat is from the Pacific decadal oscillation, pdo, which has nothing to do with global warming. Search howard mammoth we rather for Howard's weather blog of mammoth lakes to learn more.

    I would worry much more about topics such as a lack of affordable housing or lack of health care. The pdo is expected to end this next winter, with heavy snows in Washington, OR. California. Late April and May, of this year, will have heavy rains in California and Arizona , and heavy snows in Colorado and Denver.

    The temp numbers for the pdo were similar in about 1946, long before anyone forecasted global warming. Whereas, at that time, we had excellent presidents, who stimulated the post Wwii economy. We, need one today. We also need a president who will stop all ongoing foreign entanglement s.
    Exactly, +200,000.
  • metta

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    Apr 17, 2015 3:01 PM GMT
    TomSOCAL saidThat is from the Pacific decadal oscillation, pdo, which has nothing to do with global warming. Search howard mammoth we rather for Howard's weather blog of mammoth lakes to learn more.

    I would worry much more about topics such as a lack of affordable housing or lack of health care. The pdo is expected to end this next winter, with heavy snows in Washington, OR. California. Late April and May, of this year, will have heavy rains in California and Arizona , and heavy snows in Colorado and Denver.

    The temp numbers for the pdo were similar in about 1946, long before anyone forecasted global warming. Whereas, at that time, we had excellent presidents, who stimulated the post Wwii economy. We, need one today. We also need a president who will stop all ongoing foreign entanglement s.


    You are getting this from a Realtor's blog...

    http://mammothweather.com/

    Climate scientists are not sure when the drought will end...why would a Realtor know better?
  • metta

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    Apr 17, 2015 3:10 PM GMT
    What's strange is this article says that water has been cool:


    "Ingram and other paleoclimatologists have correlated several historic megadroughts with a shift in the surface temperature of the Pacific Ocean that occurs every 20 to 30 years—something called the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO). The PDO is similar to an El Nino event except it lasts for decades—as its name implies—whereas an El Nino event lasts 6 to 18 months. Cool phases of the PDO result in less precipitation because cooler sea temperatures bump the jet stream north, which in turn pushes off storms that would otherwise provide rain and snow to California. Ingram says entire lakes dried up in California following a cool phase of the PDO several thousand years ago. Warm phases have been linked to numerous storms along the California coast.

    "We have been in a fairly cold phase of PDO since the early 2000s," says Brian Fuchs, a climatologist at the National Drought Mitigation Center, "so the drought we are seeing now makes sense."

    That said, scientists caution against pinning the current drought on the PDO alone. Certainly ocean temperatures, wind, and the weather pattern in the Pacific have contributed to the drought, says Nate Mantua, of NOAA's National Marine Fisheries Service in Santa Cruz, California, where the PDO pattern was first discovered and named. "But it's more nuanced than saying the PDO did this." After all, as its name suggests, the PDO is decades in the making."


    ...

    "Ultimately, how long the current California drought will last is anyone's guess."

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/02/140213-california-drought-record-agriculture-pdo-climate/
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    Apr 18, 2015 9:23 AM GMT
    Pfffft...you know it always starts like this...and then...