GOP Convinced Majority That They Don't Need Healthcare

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    Apr 16, 2015 3:37 AM GMT
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    NYT: With the advent of the Affordable Care Act, the share of Americans convinced that health care is a right shrank from a majority to a minority.

    This shift in public opinion is a major victory for the Republican Party. It is part of a larger trend: a steady decline in support for redistributive government policies. A separate study, “The Structure of Inequality and Americans’ Attitudes Toward Redistribution,” found that as inequality increases, so does ideological conservatism in the electorate.

    The erosion of the belief in health care as a government-protected right is perhaps the most dramatic reflection of these trends. In 2006, by a margin of more than two to one, 69-28, those surveyed by Gallup said that the federal government should guarantee health care coverage for all citizens of the United States. By late 2014, however, Gallup found that this percentage had fallen 24 points to 45 percent, while the percentage of respondents who said health care is not a federal responsibility nearly doubled to 52 percent.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/15/opinion/has-obamacare-turned-voters-against-sharing-the-wealth.html?
  • Hypertrophile

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    Apr 16, 2015 2:44 PM GMT
    It seems that a lot of Americans have conflated health care funding with health care, and have been convinced that there has been an expansion of government intervention of the latter. Even if we adopted a single-payer system, which is the only thing that makes sense IMO, it is still not an intrusion into the doctor/patient relationship.

    I'd be interested to know the questions these polls are asking. The most important being, IMO

    Do you have the right to receive health care?
    Should that right be based on your ability to pay?

    I believe that "yes" on the former and "no" on the latter would be the overwhelming response.
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 16, 2015 3:54 PM GMT
    ^^ Agreed.

    And I would add, it's disgusting that the wealthiest nation in the history of the world is having a "discussion" about whether or not poor people should get health care.

    Seriously? The GOP is so off-base morally, internationally, and financially with respect to health care issues that it's laughable.
  • Destinharbor

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    Apr 16, 2015 4:25 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said^^ Agreed.

    And I would add, it's disgusting that the wealthiest nation in the history of the world is having a "discussion" about whether or not poor people should get health care.

    Seriously? The GOP is so off-base morally, internationally, and financially with respect to health care issues that it's laughable.

    It is odd. The big change that occurred between Hillary's universal healthcare plan and Obama's was the recognition by corporate America that because we're spending 60% more than other industrialized countries for healthcare and receiving poor health results, we must do something to bring it under control or lose competitiveness.

    If the Republicans simply looked at cost/benefit they should be in favor. But they're not because they can raise funds through scare tactics. And votes. If they were consistent, they should advocate repeal of laws requiring any government funding for healthcare (including Medicare and Medicaid- both of which they opposed when enacted) as well as legally required treatment of the sick in hospitals without regard to ability to pay. Pay or die is their position.
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 16, 2015 4:32 PM GMT
    ^^Agreed. And it is a morally indefensible position in a country with so much wealth. Heartless and cold comes to mind.
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    Apr 16, 2015 7:12 PM GMT
    the current private insurance system has not been able to contain co$t.
  • Destinharbor

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    Apr 16, 2015 7:49 PM GMT
    That's because on an individual basis, there is no economic decision to be made. I went to my doctor for my annual checkup, asked about a pea sized lump under the skin on my left arm. "What is its, doc? Don't know. Let's check it out." $4,000 later, the answer was "Nothing." Now it might have been something, but the point is when something threatens your survival, you don't think about money. External forces have to do that using data to make decisions. I know I've gotten much better at expense control since I've left my giant corporate health insurance plan. Obamacare also now requires that you be able to see your own data. That's helped, too. The worst seems to be the children of poor parents. I had to deal with that a lot in my job and can't tell you how many times I heard "I only want the best for my mom." Six months and $500,000 later, mom dies but only after losing both legs and being in hospital bed with tubes and needles everywhere. I'm not picking on poor people, I'm just saying the disconnect between money and health when caring for a helpless parent seems to overwhelm. And maybe they think at just this one moment, Mom should get the one thing she never had, the Best.

    A single payor plan makes the most sense. Control costs. Analyze data, squeeze out many layers of profit. And looking at international WHO data, it gets better (healthier) results.
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    Apr 16, 2015 8:21 PM GMT
    I think the problem of redistributing wealth goes both way. Republicans in power typically transfer the nation's wealth to the people at the top who are rich enough to self-insured healthcare whereas poor people will have to go the emergency room paid for by the rest of us.
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    Apr 18, 2015 1:27 AM GMT
    pellaz saidthe current private insurance system has not been able to contain co$t.



    Because they arent allowed to compete, we never had free market healthcare. Just protected revenue streams. Which the ACA gave even more protection.
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    Apr 18, 2015 4:02 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidI think the problem of redistributing wealth goes both way. Republicans in power typically transfer the nation's wealth to the people at the top who are rich enough to self-insured healthcare whereas poor people will have to go the emergency room paid for by the rest of us.


    You are seriously uninformed like many liberals. Democrats have controlled the White House and Senate when the stock market reached its all time high along with the wealth gap.

    Rich people don't "self-insure" their healthcare. How would a rich person receive better care if they show up at an emergency room unconscious and with no insurance ID card. I should know, I'm a rich person.

    Since the mainstream media is controlled by liberal democrats, how did republicans convince the majority?

    The democrats did the convincing themselves through lies about the ACA admitted by architect Jonathan Gruber and 36 times by Obama:





  • Hypertrophile

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    Apr 18, 2015 8:20 PM GMT
    The stock market all time high occurred a month ago. What Democratic policies are you suggesting were responsible for that?

    Also, where do you get the idea that the people in charge of the six multinational conglomerates that control 95% of the media are fiscally liberal?