Operation Jade Helm - the US military prepares for civil unrest and martial law

  • tj85016

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    Apr 19, 2015 3:08 AM GMT
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/03/31/why-the-new-special-operations-exercise-freaking-out-the-internet-is-no-big-deal/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013900/Fears-martial-law-special-ops-set-swarm-Southwest-operate-undetected-civilians-ve-deemed-HOSTILE-massive-military-exercise.html

    some really sick things going on in this country

    a Twitter quote "If Operation Jade Helm were happening in any other country, it would be immediately labeled for martial law......"

    and some bullshit response from our friends at the Pentagon

    http://www.stripes.com/news/us/army-special-operations-command-pushes-back-against-alarmist-claims-about-upcoming-exercise-1.335949
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    Apr 19, 2015 10:00 AM GMT
    tj85016 said
    some really sick things going on in this country


    Like basement dwellers and gun nuts trying to create a conspiracy theory about a US military exercise? It is not so much sick as amusingly uninformed.

    "But it’s also worth noting that the military has routinely launched exercises in the past in which regions of the United States are identified as hostile for the purpose of training."

    "The diverse terrain in these states replicates areas Special Operations Soldiers regularly find themselves operating in overseas."
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    Apr 19, 2015 1:43 PM GMT
    The US Army conducted such exercises during my tenure, some 30-40 years ago. It's necessary to periodically test the ability to move soldiers & equipment, and supply them logistically, over varying terrain, distances, and for periods of time, and maintain good command & control with effective communication.

    Otherwise you have a "Beetle Bailey" army where the soldiers stay on post all the time, goofing off & napping under trees. (Which is in fact a theme in today's Sunday US comic, why it was on my mind)

    These exercise can involve just the staff, known as a CPX (Command Post Exercise), or the soldiers without most of their equipment, a TEWT (Training Exercise With Troops), or a full FTX (Field Training Exercise) with all the combat realism you can muster. It's not clear which one this will be (assuming those terms are still current - the Army loves to change all its terms every few years).

    In any case, I see nothing out of the ordinary, threatening or sinister in this. No reason to believe this is a "7 Days in May" or "Dr. Strangelove" scenario developing here.
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    Apr 19, 2015 1:53 PM GMT
    ^^

    yeah right, you're probably one of the sort that doesn't think it requires Congressional approval to conduct such military operations (outside the US, or inside) - not the training, the actual operation

    so what the hell, just let the 82nd Airborne and the Seals train among civilians
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    Apr 19, 2015 2:06 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    yeah right, you're probably one of the sort that doesn't think it requires Congressional approval to conduct such military operations (outside the US, or inside) - not the training, the actual operation

    so what the hell, just let the 82nd Airborne and the Seals train among civilians

    I haven't read this will be "among civilians" as in residential areas, but rather using public roads, likely cleared and marked for the purpose. We did the same thing over 40 years ago, around Fort Knox, Kentucky.

    Some of our outlying training areas were more easily reached on public roads. And so I would personally lead convoys of tracked vehicles on State Hwy 31W (maybe some guys here know it), until we took our turn-off after about 10 miles. Of course this was all coordinated with local authorities and the police, and road signage was erected. Nobody seeing us thought we were headed on to Louisville, to seize the city. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 19, 2015 2:41 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThe US Army conducted such exercises during my tenure, some 30-40 years ago. It's necessary to periodically test the ability to move soldiers & equipment, and supply them logistically, over varying terrain, distances, and for periods of time, and maintain good command & control with effective communication.

    Otherwise you have a "Beetle Bailey" army where the soldiers stay on post all the time, goofing off & napping under trees. (Which is in fact a theme in today's Sunday US comic, why it was on my mind)

    These exercise can involve just the staff, known as a CPX (Command Post Exercise), or the soldiers without most of their equipment, a TEWT (Training Exercise With Troops), or a full FTX (Field Training Exercise) with all the combat realism you can muster. It's not clear which one this will be (assuming those terms are still current - the Army loves to change all its terms every few years).

    In any case, I see nothing out of the ordinary, threatening or sinister in this. No reason to believe this is a "7 Days in May" or "Dr. Strangelove" scenario developing here.


    The RAF base down the road from where I live regularly hosts big CPX exercises, such as those involving HQ NATO Allied Rapid Reaction Corps (ARRC) (1000 personnel). Far from exciting national speculation, these exercises occur pretty much unnoticed, even by the local population.

    With the ending of operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, you can expect to see even more of these sorts of exercises. Last week, US and UK personnel were involved in the biggest airborne drop in the last 25 years, over Fort Bragg, in order to "seize an airfield, evacuate non-combatants and execute offensive and defensive operations". (Oh no, the British are invading NC!). http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/2015/04/13/82nd-british-airborne-exercise/25544073/

    Wherever there are military bases and units, you will always get nutty conspiracy theories, especially in these times of rapid messaging via social networks. I have heard several 'truther'-style stories about units in which I have served, none of which were even approaching the truth.
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    Apr 19, 2015 2:52 PM GMT
    Anecdote: training exercises CAN be disconcerting to civilians, if they don't understand what's happening. Here's kinda an exceptional circumstance I encountered in West Berlin, Germany, in 1979, when I was with the Berlin Brigade.

    Along the Berlin Wall in the American Sector were abandoned, derelict apartment buildings, all about 4-5 stories high. It was decided to have an entire Infantry Company "assault" and clear these buildings of "aggressors" (other US soldiers who had been placed there, wearing quasi-Warsaw Pact uniforms). And they were using blank ammunition, fairly realistic looking & sounding.

    Well, this old German lady ignored our unmanned street barricades & signs and came walking down the street. I was directing a TV production about MOUT (Military Operations in an Urban Terrain), and at that moment I was out in the street. She became hysterical, thinking the East Germans & Soviets had come over the Wall, and were battling the Americans! I rushed over to her to reassure her:

    "Alles ist in der Ordnung, meine Dame. Alles is in der Ordnung. Dieses ist ein amerikanischer Spielkrieg. Kein Problem."

    [All is in order, my lady. All is in order. This is an American play war. No Problem.] I didn't know if "Spielkrieg" is a valid German compound word, a joining of play [spiel] and war [krieg], I just spontaneously made it up, but I think it may be.

    In any case she was able to understand my poor accent, and I showed her the way out of the area. A few more people also wandered down the street by mistake, and I did the same thing, since I was about the only one out there not engaged in the military operation itself.

    So these things can go a bit wrong, if not thoroughly planned. And depending on what's being attempted. Somehow I don't think anything similar to Berlin is going to be happening during this particular exercise.
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    Apr 19, 2015 3:54 PM GMT
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