Is mental illness more prevalent in gay and bisexual men?

  • Inque

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    Apr 20, 2015 7:53 AM GMT
    I was wondering if there was any evidence proving that gay and bisexual men were more suceptible to have mental illnesses due to societal reasons.
  • venue35

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    Apr 20, 2015 11:59 AM GMT
    What does sexual orientation have to do with one's state of mind???
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 20, 2015 12:04 PM GMT
    However, mental illness and instability is more prevalent among supporters of the hapless Hillary ho for President in 2016.icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 20, 2015 3:29 PM GMT
    Inque said... I was just wondering if anyone could bring up any surgeries before evidence to either disapprove a backup
    impossible to develop metrics on 2-5% of the population, the population of gay men.


    is see R. Rob is keeping the thread on topicicon_rolleyes.gif
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 20, 2015 3:45 PM GMT
    LGBTs are twice as likely to smoke, 3 times as likely to abuse alcohol, 10 times as likely to abuse heroine, and etc. for various other "vice" drugs/substances.

    https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/lgbt/report/2012/03/09/11228/why-the-gay-and-transgender-population-experiences-higher-rates-of-substance-use/

    Insofar that substances can cause OR exacerbate pre-existing mental disorders/illnesses, then, yes, it would seem that LGBTs have a higher rate than the relevant similarly situated population (mental illnesses often strongly breakdown along gender lines, so there'd need to a consideration of that at the very least....the general population would not be a similarly situated comparator).

    My money: Yup.
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    Apr 20, 2015 4:43 PM GMT
    https://www.nami.org/Learn-More/Mental-Health-Conditions
    A mental illness is a condition that impacts a person's thinking, feeling or mood may affect and his or her ability to relate to others and function on a daily basis.

    Svnw688 saidLGBTs are twice as likely to smoke, 3 times as likely to abuse alcohol, 10 times as likely to abuse heroine, and etc. for various other "vice" drugs/substances.

    https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/lgbt/report/2012/03/09/11228/why-the-gay-and-transgender-population-experiences-higher-rates-of-substance-use/

    Insofar that substances can cause OR exacerbate pre-existing mental disorders/illnesses, then, yes, it would seem that LGBTs have a higher rate than the relevant similarly situated population (mental illnesses often strongly breakdown along gender lines, so there'd need to a consideration of that at the very least....the general population would not be a similarly situated comparator).

    My money: Yup.


    If it's a yup it's merely a qualified yup.

    The very article you cite says: "The stress that comes from daily battles with discrimination and stigma is a principle driver of these higher rates of substance use"

    Further from your article:
    Factors leading to these rates of substance use and abuse

    Gay and transgender people report higher rates of substance use than others due to three main factors.

    First, many gay and transgender people live with a high level of stress that comes from social prejudice and discriminatory laws in areas of daily life such as employment, relationship recognition, and health care.

    Second, a lack of cultural competency in the health care system discourages gay and transgender people from seeking treatment for substance abuse, and—if they do seek help—often leads to inappropriate or irrelevant services.

    Finally, targeted marketing efforts by alcohol and tobacco companies exploit the con- nection many gay and transgender people have to bars and clubs as safe spaces for socializing and increase easy access to tobacco products and alcohol. Below, we look at each of these factors in turn.

    Current research seems to concur:

    http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/198/2/143.short

    Published 31 January 2011
    This study corroborates international findings that people of non-heterosexual orientation report elevated levels of mental health problems and service usage, and it lends further support to the suggestion that perceived discrimination may act as a social stressor in the genesis of mental health problems in this population.


    http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/ort/84/1/35/
    American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, Vol 84(1), 2014
    Findings suggest that different types of discrimination may be differentially associated with past-year mental health disorders. Notably, sexual orientation discrimination was associated with higher odds of a past-year disorder only in combination with other types of discrimination. These findings point to the complexity of the relationship between discrimination experiences and mental health


    So if the question "is mental illness more prevalent in gay" implies mental illness as being endemic to sexual orientation, then the answer might be more likely nope.


  • Svnw688

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    Apr 20, 2015 4:48 PM GMT
    I don't think anyone was suggesting homosexuality CAUSES mental illness, I think I and the study support the proposition that--for whatever reasons, likely environmental--the LGBT community has more problems (the study proving substance abuse problems, and my extrapolating and saying that indicates there would likely be more "mental disorders/illnesses").

    Same with homeless people. It's proven homeless populations have more mental illness in general, and specifically extraordinarily high rates of schizophrenia. That fact doesn't suggest causation one way or the other (e.g., does homelessness cause schizophrenia or do schizophrenics wind up homeless), it's merely a descriptive statement/fact.
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    Apr 20, 2015 4:51 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidI don't think anyone was suggesting homosexuality CAUSES mental illness, I think I and the study support the proposition that--for whatever reasons, likely environmental--the LGBT community has more problems (the study proving substance abuse problems, and my extrapolating and saying that indicates there would likely be more "mental disorders/illnesses").

    Same with homeless people. It's proven homeless populations have more mental illness in general, and specifically extraordinarily high rates of schizophrenia. That fact doesn't suggest causation one way or the other (e.g., does homelessness cause schizophrenia or do schizophrenics wind up homeless), it's merely a descriptive statement/fact.


    Apparently you've missed the OP's many other questions or you'd not have delinked that so quickly.

    Not the same as homeless. In fact, many homeless are homeless because of mental illness, whereas gay people are not gay because of mental illness. Nor do they suffer mental illness because they are gay but by outside stressors, which was my original point.
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    Apr 20, 2015 4:57 PM GMT
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    Svnw688 saidI don't think anyone was suggesting homosexuality CAUSES mental illness, I think I and the study support the proposition that--for whatever reasons, likely environmental--the LGBT community has more problems (the study proving substance abuse problems, and my extrapolating and saying that indicates there would likely be more "mental disorders/illnesses").

    Same with homeless people. It's proven homeless populations have more mental illness in general, and specifically extraordinarily high rates of schizophrenia. That fact doesn't suggest causation one way or the other (e.g., does homelessness cause schizophrenia or do schizophrenics wind up homeless), it's merely a descriptive statement/fact.


    Apparently you've missed the OP's many other questions or you'd not have delinked that so quickly.

    Not the same as homeless. In fact, many homeless are homeless because of mental illness, whereas gay people are not gay because of mental illness. Nor do they suffer mental illness because they are gay but by outside stressors, which was my original point.


    What are you talking about? I delinked nothing. The original link is where I put it, and I never quoted myself.

    To the point, I and the study are making descriptive statements whereas you're endeavouring to make causative statements. Correlation and causation are not the same.

    Substance abuse and mental illness correlate with LGBT individuals.

    That does not imply causation, that is to say, something INHERENT with being LGBT. Rather, like the study and I have indicated, it is likely because of stressors and the discrimination we face in society. If you'd cared to read the study I cited you'd have read the ceveat.

    It's also a descriptive fact that black people are poorer, on average, in the United States, than whites. That is entirely different than a causative argument, which would state that black people are poorer on average because they're someone--in essence--inferior at making money to whites. I don't know why descriptive statements and causative statements conflate in your brain, but they do not in mine.
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    Apr 20, 2015 5:16 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said
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    Svnw688 saidI don't think anyone was suggesting homosexuality CAUSES mental illness, I think I and the study support the proposition that--for whatever reasons, likely environmental--the LGBT community has more problems (the study proving substance abuse problems, and my extrapolating and saying that indicates there would likely be more "mental disorders/illnesses").

    Same with homeless people. It's proven homeless populations have more mental illness in general, and specifically extraordinarily high rates of schizophrenia. That fact doesn't suggest causation one way or the other (e.g., does homelessness cause schizophrenia or do schizophrenics wind up homeless), it's merely a descriptive statement/fact.


    Apparently you've missed the OP's many other questions or you'd not have delinked that so quickly.

    Not the same as homeless. In fact, many homeless are homeless because of mental illness, whereas gay people are not gay because of mental illness. Nor do they suffer mental illness because they are gay but by outside stressors, which was my original point.


    What are you talking about? I delinked nothing. The original link is where I put it, and I never quoted myself.

    To the point, I and the study are making descriptive statements whereas you're endeavouring to make causative statements. Correlation and causation are not the same.

    Substance abuse and mental illness correlate with LGBT individuals.

    That does not imply causation, that is to say, something INHERENT with being LGBT. Rather, like the study and I have indicated, it is likely because of stressors and the discrimination we face in society. If you'd cared to read the study I cited you'd have read the ceveat.

    It's also a descriptive fact that black people are poorer, on average, in the United States, than whites. That is entirely different than a causative argument, which would state that black people are poorer on average because they're someone--in essence--inferior at making money to whites. I don't know why descriptive statements and causative statements conflate in your brain, but they do not in mine.


    lolol fucking online verbiage. Delinked as in decoupled or disassociated. That this line of thinking coincides with previous such queries.

    Fact is that we know mental illness causes some homelessness regardless of your issues with my having spoken causational-ly.

    http://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/Mental_Illness.pdf
    ...20 to 25% of the homeless population in the United States suffers from some form of severe mental illness...

    ...Mental illness was the third largest cause of homelessness for single adults (mentioned by 48% of cities). For homeless families, mental illness was mentioned by 12% of cities as one of the top 3 causes of homelessness...


    Conflate this: I can't help it if you have a problem with that.
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    Apr 20, 2015 5:30 PM GMT
    in the 70/80's all gay men were considered mental ill. Thus definition of "mental illness" is irrelevant.
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 20, 2015 5:37 PM GMT
    And after your tangent the descriptive fact remains:

    LGBT individuals have higher rates of substance abuse and mental disorders/illnesses. Make what causative inferences you will, the OP's question asked for descriptive information, not a causative analysis. "Is mental illness more prevalent in the gay and bisexual community?"

    Yes, yes it is.
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    Apr 20, 2015 5:44 PM GMT
    Well one's state of mind can get lost in our world of societies, culture, politics, power, war, etc etc. There's a lot discrimination.
    Being gay can be a real struggle (mentally) in this world.

    It forces many gay people to live a straight lie out of shame, especially for those in the Middle East/Africa.

    I mean.
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    Apr 20, 2015 5:56 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidHowever, mental illness and instability is more prevalent among supporters of the hapless Hillary ho for President in 2016.icon_lol.gif

    Stupidly hilarious. Who'd have thunk that roadbikeRob is capable of humor?
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    Apr 20, 2015 6:38 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidAnd after your tangent the descriptive fact remains:

    LGBT individuals have higher rates of substance abuse and mental disorders/illnesses. Make what causative inferences you will, the OP's question asked for descriptive information, not a causative analysis. "Is mental illness more prevalent in the gay and bisexual community?"

    Yes, yes it is.


    You've mentioned in another thread how well you read into others, yes? Tangent this: Now read yourself.

    The OP never said community (in his proposal, though, yeah, the word comes up as he differentiates being gay/bi from being str8 ). Rather, you added the aspect of community to his question, didn't you? And that's understandable, hadn't you read his past psychobabbles.

    He didn't ask do gay people display or express more mental health issues within community. He didn't allow that there might be external stressors. He said: "Is mental illness more prevalent in gay and bisexual men." Again, not merely in community.

    How might we know this if we didn't know his background and the leanings of his past commentaries presented as inquiries? Well, he also said: "I am NOT gay about the mental disorder" which I think we can fairly interpret to English as having meant that he didn't mean gay as personality disorder. So on the sly he's suggesting that gay men have a natural inclination to mental illness (justifying his own?) even while covering his ass/throwing off suspicion by fessing up that being gay is not a personality disorder. The guy is twisty as shit.

    What else shows that? How about where he says "I think there's a lot of the main idea of what you're bisexual come to have bipolar or depression or in some cases schizophrenia". How might we put that in English? Well, he's suggesting that even though being gay or bi might not be a personality disorder, that it tends one towards other disorders. Again, how better to rationalize his own disorders, then by blaming them on the gay.

    The whole thing is full of shit, which you should have seen through.

    Never mind, that your analogy was not entirely applicable as per my notice that, whereas mental illness is not causal of sexual orientation, mental illness can be causal to being homeless, a fact which is readily acknowledged by those who study and help the homeless.

    He's either blaming being gay on his mental problems or his mental problems on being gay, either way typically refusing to take responsibility for his own thinking.
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    Apr 20, 2015 8:40 PM GMT
    Yes. https://www.nami.org/Find-Support/LGBTQ
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    Apr 20, 2015 9:26 PM GMT

    Well let's see, Inque.

    Take a pile of babies, and raise them to believe that they're sick, disgusting hell bound individuals because of who and how they love, and the only way around it is to suffer in silence and be what they aren't, because they can't experience love, only sex. Tell them the feelings they have for another is fake; it's not love, it's evil. And have society tell them that stuff as well.

    Now check back once they're grown up and assess the damage.

    D'oh.
  • Inque

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    Apr 21, 2015 12:21 AM GMT
    Svnw688 saidI don't think anyone was suggesting homosexuality CAUSES mental illness, I think I and the study support the proposition that--for whatever reasons, likely environmental--the LGBT community has more problems (the study proving substance abuse problems, and my extrapolating and saying that indicates there would likely be more "mental disorders/illnesses").

    Same with homeless people. It's proven homeless populations have more mental illness in general, and specifically extraordinarily high rates of schizophrenia. That fact doesn't suggest causation one way or the other (e.g., does homelessness cause schizophrenia or do schizophrenics wind up homeless), it's merely a descriptive statement/fact.


    Well my questions were more directed to whether gay men developed mental illnesses due to societal influencs.
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    Apr 21, 2015 1:30 AM GMT
    Inque saidWell my questions were more directed to whether gay men developed mental illnesses due to societal influencs.


    Current studies conclude it is the stressors themselves that can cause development of mental illness, not any inherent trait of being gay or bi that would make someone more prone towards mental illness due to societal pressures than those same stressors would exert on heterosexuals under similar, but reversed circumstance (as well-described in menin's post).

    That a greater percentage of gay people might suffer more stress-related illness than their hetero counterpart is not indicative of any defect inherent in gay people which might make us less able to cope with the stress but, rather, of a constructed defect of heteros who inflict that stress upon us and of a system which does not support us.
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    Apr 21, 2015 5:09 PM GMT
    I can't believe you guys understood anything the OP was saying. WTF!!!!!!!!
    How does he function in real life with those communication skills?
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    Apr 21, 2015 5:20 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidI can't believe you guys understood anything the OP was saying. WTF!!!!!!!!
    How does he function in real life with those communication skills?


    I hear ya. I simply answered the 'headline' question. I couldn't discern the narrative.
  • Silverlakr

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    Apr 21, 2015 7:28 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidLGBTs are twice as likely to smoke, 3 times as likely to abuse alcohol, 10 times as likely to abuse heroine, and etc. for various other "vice" drugs/substances.

    https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/lgbt/report/2012/03/09/11228/why-the-gay-and-transgender-population-experiences-higher-rates-of-substance-use/

    Insofar that substances can cause OR exacerbate pre-existing mental disorders/illnesses, then, yes, it would seem that LGBTs have a higher rate than the relevant similarly situated population (mental illnesses often strongly breakdown along gender lines, so there'd need to a consideration of that at the very least....the general population would not be a similarly situated comparator).

    My money: Yup.


    This is a brilliant analysis that speaks truthfully to the issue. Bravo.
  • Inque

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    Apr 21, 2015 7:55 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said
    UndercoverMan saidI can't believe you guys understood anything the OP was saying. WTF!!!!!!!!
    How does he function in real life with those communication skills?


    I hear ya. I simply answered the 'headline' question. I couldn't discern the narrative.


    Sorry I was using my google voice to make the post so I wasn't typing it.