Giorgio Armani - The 50's called and they want their narrow minded views back.

  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Apr 21, 2015 1:41 AM GMT
    The old Queen claims in an interview that gay men "do not need to dress homosexual." The 80-year-old designer said that gay men are men "100 percent," and then noted, "When homosexuality is exhibited to the extreme -- to say, 'Ah, you know I'm homosexual,' -- that has nothing to do with me. A man has to be a man."

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  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Apr 21, 2015 2:03 AM GMT
    I guess if you have 7 Billion dollars you can Poke the likes of his boy toy below and say dumb shit.

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    Apr 21, 2015 2:28 AM GMT
    I gave my last pair of Giorgio Armani pants to Goodwill yesterday.
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    Apr 21, 2015 2:37 AM GMT
    I don't understand why this matters so much. He's a clothing designer ... his livelihood is completely frivolous. So he has an opinion. So what.
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    Apr 21, 2015 2:53 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidI gave my last pair of Giorgio Armani pants to Goodwill yesterday.

    This is why I love Goodwill.
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Apr 21, 2015 11:18 AM GMT
    swimmer_sf saidI don't understand why this matters so much. He's a clothing designer ... his livelihood is completely frivolous. So he has an opinion. So what.


    It matters to the 15 year old boy who is more comfortable in feminine clothing but is afraid to express himself. The words of this 80 year old gay man will be used by himself or by others to suppress his expression of who he is.
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    Apr 21, 2015 12:25 PM GMT
    LuckyGuyKC saidI guess if you have 7 Billion dollars you can Poke the likes of his boy toy below and say dumb shit.

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  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 21, 2015 12:45 PM GMT
    LuckyGuyKC saidThe old Queen claims in an interview that gay men "do not need to dress homosexual." The 80-year-old designer said that gay men are men "100 percent," and then noted, "When homosexuality is exhibited to the extreme -- to say, 'Ah, you know I'm homosexual,' -- that has nothing to do with me. A man has to be a man."

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    In a way, he does have a valid point. A man regardless of his natural sexual orientation is still a man, period. However he loses me with the statement "need to dress homosexual".
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    Apr 21, 2015 1:58 PM GMT
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    Apr 21, 2015 2:11 PM GMT
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    Now Quentin Crisp was a hoot, an original who would have lived a nondescript life if he didn't make himself Great Britain's most visible & famous fairy, in spite of Armani's advice. I even joined the online Quentin Crisp Society, and we wrote some notes back & forth, until the old dear had the bad manners to die. icon_sad.gif

    He was also known for his autobiography "The Naked Civil Servant", made into a TV movie with Crisp played very convincingly by John Hurt (the magic wand shopkeeper in the first Harry Potter movie). That's actually Hurt in the first pic above.

    Crisp did some acting himself, in one instance portraying Queen Elizabeth I in the quirky movie Orlando. It was marvelous watching England's greatest queen playing England's greatest Queen.
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    Apr 21, 2015 3:11 PM GMT
    LuckyGuyKC said
    swimmer_sf saidI don't understand why this matters so much. He's a clothing designer ... his livelihood is completely frivolous. So he has an opinion. So what.


    It matters to the 15 year old boy who is more comfortable in feminine clothing but is afraid to express himself. The words of this 80 year old gay man will be used by himself or by others to suppress his expression of who he is.


    EXACTLY!

    Please people; allow others to be themselves! They aren't hurting you. And if you think they are, you're the one with the problem.

    It bogels my mind that a creative fashion designer can be so narrow minded.
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    Apr 21, 2015 3:21 PM GMT
    Oh, and BTW: I never liked nor wore Armani. Even when younger and trim (most of my life until my late-50s) the Armani style was too Euro for me, the Italian gigolo look. I prefer an American cut suit - shaped to my build but not too snug.

    I don't care what the label is, you know the right fit when you slip on the jacket. And since it's likely basted, minor adjustments can be made. In my case I often have a little gather below the collar that needs to be taken out (my ramrod-straight military posture? LOL!), so that the fabric lies perfectly flat against my back.

    But I don't need an Armani label, or prices, for that. So Signor Giorgio can keep his clothes, and his opinions, to himself. icon_razz.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Apr 21, 2015 3:39 PM GMT
    Self hating fashion designer??? I guess it's true what they say: the more things change, the more they stay the same....

    Btw do these Andrew Christian jock straps make me look gay? #facepalmicon_evil.gif
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    Apr 21, 2015 4:43 PM GMT
    I'm not going to get on the "Let's Bash Armani" bandwagon today. All I am getting from his comments is that he prefers masculine men. and that's ok. If he preferred feminine (or more flamboyantly dressed) men, that would be ok as well.

    I will also go out on a limb and say that I don't find his words homophobic. His opinion is old fashion, yes. But not homophobic unless you assume all gay men dress flamboyantly, which we don't.

    This is no different than fathers telling their sons(hetero or homo) to "Man Up". It's old school, but again, not homophobic.

    I think the message should be "just be yourself", masculine, feminine, or whatever. Just be who you were naturally meant to me. No unnecessary affectations at either extreme.

    I might also add that Armani Suits do look great. I've always said that it's hard to look bad in an Armani Suit. IF you think they look like something a Gigolo would wear then you are still living in the 80s.

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  • BAHBAA

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    Apr 21, 2015 10:36 PM GMT
    blkbodybdr saidI'm not going to get on the "Let's Bash Armani" bandwagon today. All I am getting from his comments is that he prefers masculine men. and that's ok. If he preferred feminine (or more flamboyantly dressed) men, that would be ok as well.

    I will also go out on a limb and say that I don't find his words homophobic. His opinion is old fashion, yes. But not homophobic unless you assume all gay men dress flamboyantly, which we don't.

    This is no different than fathers telling their sons(hetero or homo) to "Man Up". It's old school, but again, not homophobic.

    I think the message should be "just be yourself", masculine, feminine, or whatever. Just be who you were naturally meant to me. No unnecessary affectations at either extreme.

    I might also add that Armani Suits do look great. I've always said that it's hard to look bad in an Armani Suit. IF you think they look like something a Gigolo would wear then you are still living in the 80s.


    Perfectly said.
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    Apr 21, 2015 10:58 PM GMT
    LuckyGuyKC said
    swimmer_sf saidI don't understand why this matters so much. He's a clothing designer ... his livelihood is completely frivolous. So he has an opinion. So what.


    It matters to the 15 year old boy who is more comfortable in feminine clothing but is afraid to express himself. The words of this 80 year old gay man will be used by himself or by others to suppress his expression of who he is.


    This is an example where the "feelings" of the hypothetical individual have to give way to freedom of speech and thought. Do you really want to live in a society where one isn't allowed to say something as innocuous as "a man should look like a man" because somewhere someone might be "afraid to express himself"? How is this any different than the "confused feelings" of a guy who likes to dress like a guy but who learns of the existence of drag shows? You can't and won't solve every de minimis problem of people being "upset" by attacking and suppressing the mere expression of opinion. Rather, the solution is this: a trusted friend/parent/teacher, etc., tells the kid "oh well, it's just his opinion and your opinion is just as valid, so go ahead and wear feminine clothes. No worries." That way we will have adults who don't emotionally crumble at the slightest provocation ... there much bigger challenges in the world than this.
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    Apr 21, 2015 11:03 PM GMT
    Armani's opinions are a form of free speech protected by our laws but so is the attack of his opinions which is also free speech. Armani speech is not superior and somehow therefore shielded from ridicule.
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    Apr 21, 2015 11:08 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidArmani's opinions are a form of free speech protected by our laws but so is the attack of his opinions which is also free speech. Armani speech is not superior and somehow therefore shielded from ridicule.


    Exactly. If you want to spend you time getting worked up and countering the opinions of fashion designers, more power to you.
  • toastvenom

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    Apr 21, 2015 11:31 PM GMT
    big whoop, so the old fart doesn't like it when fags dress up and leave the house looking like Christmas trees, hes entitled to think what he wants and what he sees as sexy and flattering. get over it
  • bladeaddict

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    Apr 22, 2015 5:13 AM GMT
    LuckyGuyKC said
    swimmer_sf saidI don't understand why this matters so much. He's a clothing designer ... his livelihood is completely frivolous. So he has an opinion. So what.


    It matters to the 15 year old boy who is more comfortable in feminine clothing but is afraid to express himself. The words of this 80 year old gay man will be used by himself or by others to suppress his expression of who he is.


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  • hebrewman

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    Apr 22, 2015 10:19 AM GMT
    THE MAN IS AN OLD FART. he's too busy putting varnish on his face.
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    Apr 22, 2015 10:38 AM GMT
    I don't get the backlash. He says gay men are 100% men. And they don't have to dress "gay". If they do it's not what he's about.

    Me either!


    As a men's designer of clothes (who IS Gay) I don't see a problem. If you dress like you are out of International Male Catalog(remember them? Sort of soft porn) every day, then it's sooooo Gay!
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    Apr 22, 2015 11:16 AM GMT
    swimmer_sf said
    LuckyGuyKC said
    swimmer_sf saidI don't understand why this matters so much. He's a clothing designer ... his livelihood is completely frivolous. So he has an opinion. So what.


    It matters to the 15 year old boy who is more comfortable in feminine clothing but is afraid to express himself. The words of this 80 year old gay man will be used by himself or by others to suppress his expression of who he is.


    This is an example where the "feelings" of the hypothetical individual have to give way to freedom of speech and thought. Do you really want to live in a society where one isn't allowed to say something as innocuous as "a man should look like a man" because somewhere someone might be "afraid to express himself"? How is this any different than the "confused feelings" of a guy who likes to dress like a guy but who learns of the existence of drag shows? You can't and won't solve every de minimis problem of people being "upset" by attacking and suppressing the mere expression of opinion. Rather, the solution is this: a trusted friend/parent/teacher, etc., tells the kid "oh well, it's just his opinion and your opinion is just as valid, so go ahead and wear feminine clothes. No worries." That way we will have adults who don't emotionally crumble at the slightest provocation ... there much bigger challenges in the world than this.


    The problem is he did not say a man should look like a man. He said,"A man has to be a man." Taken in the context of the rest of his statements you aren't a man if you don't dress a certain way - his way.

    Are you not a man even though you can't grow a beard? Are you not a man even though you prefer to wear your hair long? Are you not a man even though your dick is less than ten inches? Are you not a man even though you are slim and find it hard to add muscle. Are you not a man even though you have no chest hair?

    At one time in history men wore ribbons and lace and high heeled shoes. At one time in history a man's masculinity was questioned if he wore a pick or flowered shirt. Remember the Village People? Evidently a man can dress as a construction worker or a cop and still be as queer as a three dollar bill. As a designer Mr. Armani should know these things.

    Truth is the clothes do not make the man.

    Also, no one questioned his right to his opinion or thought. But when you verbalized those opinions and thoughts you have to expect to hear from people who disagree with you. After all, they have a right to voice theirs too.
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    Apr 22, 2015 11:48 AM GMT
    Mr. Armani is correct.
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    Apr 22, 2015 2:39 PM GMT
    CDAVIS saidMr. Armani is correct.


    No. You just happen to agree with his narrow minded thinking.