Is LOW-FAT and FAT-FREE DAIRY harmful?

  • mwolverine

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    Apr 23, 2015 1:30 PM GMT
    Not in and of itself, but someone recently alleged that the PROCESS by which the fat is removed (it's not like they're just skimming it off the top) modifies the milk in a bad way. Truth or fiction?

    Do you drink (and eat products such as yogurt and cottage cheese made with) low/no fat or whole milk?
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 23, 2015 2:14 PM GMT
    http://www.healthy.net/Health/Essay/Low_down_on_low_fat_milk/983

    || An American prospective study involving more than 3600 men and 10 years of follow-up-for the first National Health and Nutrition Examination Epidemiologic Follow-up Study (NHEFS)-found that those with the highest intakes of dairy were more than twice as likely to develop PROSTATE CANCER than men with the lowest intakes.

    || However, when the researchers looked at the individual dairy products consumed, they found that the risk was higher only with low-fat milk-and not for whole milk or any other dairy. In fact, whole milk had a slight-albeit statistically not significant-protective effect (Am J Clin Nutr, 2005; 81: 1147-54).

    || Harvard's Physicians' Health Study arrived at a similar conclusion. This study, involving over 20,000 men and 11 years of follow-up, found that the increased risk of prostate cancer associated with dairy intake was attributable primarily to skimmed milk. Of the five dairy foods investigated (milk in cold breakfast cereal, whole milk, skimmed milk, cheese and ice cream), only skimmed milk showed a significantly positive relationship when men consumed one or more servings per day (Am J Clin Nutr, 2001; 74: 549-54).

    || ...mounting evidence that non-fat milk is a major player in bringing on HEART DISEASE. The report points out that non-fat milk, which contains substantial amounts of dairy protein, is very low in B vitamins. The body's attempts to metabolize all this protein in the absence of B vitamins contributes to the build up of homocysteine, a known marker for heart disease.


    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/02/12/275376259/the-full-fat-paradox-whole-milk-may-keep-us-lean

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/05/21/why-you-need-to-avoid-low-fat-milk-and-cheese.aspx

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2013/07/02/lowfat-milk-may-not-be-as-healthy-as-we-thought-says-harvard-expert


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    Apr 23, 2015 2:51 PM GMT
    Skim milk is a lie, it's water pretending to be milk. Satan is the father of lies. Therefore drinking skim milk (or products made with skim milk) will bring the rise of the Beast closer.
    So yes, low fat/fat free products are bad.
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    Apr 23, 2015 6:06 PM GMT
    All that aside, no, the process, centrifugation, does not alter the milk, merely separates (imperfectly) the parts with different densities.
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 23, 2015 6:46 PM GMT
    Centrifuges? Like those in Iran? No wonder Wyndahoi mentioned (Great) Satan (:

    So the question becomes if the fat (and whatever else is spun out) is more beneficial than harmful?

    What matter is it that we're just talking 2-3 cups of milk a day and perhaps 6oz of yogurt?
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    Apr 23, 2015 6:47 PM GMT
    For me a bit of fat in food is fine, just depends on what kind of fat. I just look to make sure food I eat has no transfats, and little saturated fat. I hear mixed things about unsaturated VS saturated fats though. Also poly/monounsaturated fats are good.

    If you're looking to make sure you don't get fat, really you should watch your sugar intake. I watched a doc that said sugar doesn't instantly lead to fat, but what happpens is it causes alterations in your body that leads you to gaining fat. A good balance of nutrients in your diet will always help your body lose any unwanted and unneeded fats in your body as long ad you work out correctly in conjunction. The problem is that people want to bypass the rules by taking out one thing in their diet and suddenly be perfectly healthy: life doesn't work that way. It's always better to nourish your body with lots of different foods including some potentially fatty (but GMO less) foods, than to not feed your body enough and eat "perfectly clean food" and risk being malnourished.
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    Apr 24, 2015 9:50 PM GMT
    I don't eat low-fat or fat free products of any kind.....especially dairy products. Just seems unnatural.
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    Apr 25, 2015 1:43 AM GMT
    Yes, your body did not evolve with de-natured food so it's not programmed to
    metabolism it. The crazy part is once you add natural fat back into your diet your unnatural belly fat disappears and you become the lean machine nature intended. Milk is quadruple denatured, it's pasteurized, homogenized and synthetic vitamins are added to it. Cows are fed shit they can't metabolize either so the milk chemistry is whack.
  • tj85016

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    Apr 25, 2015 1:35 PM GMT
    With all the fat chemistry (yes, there is such a study) and food science in the US since WW2, we wonder why diabetes and heart disease is so rampant - well, this is why (food modification, shelf-life extension, pasteurization of everything, chemicals/hormones/drugs, etc)
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    Apr 25, 2015 5:22 PM GMT
    Is there anything safe to eat anymore? I'm getting tired of beans...