Ted Cruz Changes Mind for Money: Okay with Gay Daughter

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    Apr 23, 2015 7:59 PM GMT
    NYT: Senator Ted Cruz said at an event hosted by prominent gay hoteliers that he would have no problem if one of his daughters was gay, according to one of the attendees.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/politics/at-new-york-reception-ted-cruz-is-said-to-strike-different-tone-toward-gays.html
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    Apr 23, 2015 8:12 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidNYT: Senator Ted Cruz said at an event hosted by prominent gay hoteliers that he would have no problem if one of his daughters was gay,according to one of the attendees.



    Who? The busboy? The guy in the stall next to him in the restroom?

    He can go fuck himself. No one curr.
  • jeepguySD

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    Apr 23, 2015 10:19 PM GMT
    I'm skeptical that Sen. Cruz would actually have said that, and even if he really did I doubt it is something he would say publicly.

    We all know his rhetoric -- Cruz' position has been pretty virulently anti-gay: gay sex is a sin, same-sex marriage goes against God, etc. But apparently he really likes gay money.
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    Apr 23, 2015 10:29 PM GMT
    The attendee that said he said that is one of his advisers. So whether it is credible is a question.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 24, 2015 1:27 AM GMT
    Ted Cruz is a hypocrite, period. He is also a major liability for the GOP in as much the same way as the three stooges- Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal, and Rick Perry. Mr Cruz has had numerous opportunities to open his mind, start evolving, and change his stances on gay issues. Instead he chose the horrendous mistake of pandering to all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs by parroting their same old, shopworn propaganda. To hell with him.icon_mad.gif
  • LJay

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    Apr 24, 2015 1:48 AM GMT
    Notice his latest maneuver: He was the only Senator to skip the vote on Loretta Lynch.

    Way to stand your ground, Ted.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 24, 2015 2:05 AM GMT
    Evidently, it takes a huge shitload of money to change the mind of Ted Cruz. Well I am not buying it, period.icon_mad.gif
  • tj85016

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    Apr 24, 2015 2:22 AM GMT
    oh I get it now, Obama can change his mind on gay marriage and Clinton can change her mind on gay marriage, but Ted Cruz can't.

    I don't support Cruz, but you people are utter hypocrites
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    Apr 24, 2015 2:26 AM GMT
    tj: Ted Cruz is not changing his mind about marriage. He said it is available only for a man and a woman. What he changed his mind on is that he has no problem if his own daughter were gay.
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    Apr 24, 2015 2:33 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidtj: Ted Cruz is not changing his mind about marriage. He said it is available only for a man and a woman. What he changed his mind on is that he has no problem if his own daughter were gay.


    yes, thanks woodsmen, but look at the tenor of the responses on this post, what I'm saying is that it's OK for a Democrat to even change their feelings on gay issues, but not a Republican

    now I'm an Independent and I won't vote for Clinton or Cruz (or Rubio), but these people are hypocrites
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    Apr 24, 2015 2:39 AM GMT
    tj85016 said
    woodsmen saidtj: Ted Cruz is not changing his mind about marriage. He said it is available only for a man and a woman. What he changed his mind on is that he has no problem if his own daughter were gay.


    yes, thanks woodsmen, but look at the tenor of the responses on this post, what I'm saying is that it's OK for a Democrat to even change their feelings on gay issues, but not a Republican

    now I'm an Independent and I won't vote for Clinton or Cruz (or Rubio), but these people are hypocrites
    My friend, the only reason why Ted Cruz has apparently changed his mind on gay marriage is because of the money trail. That is the exact same trail Hillary has followed and changed her views. It is all about the money and nothing else. Both Cruz and Clinton are only out for their own self aggrandizement.
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    Apr 24, 2015 2:40 AM GMT
    I do agree with you that politically, it is possible for a Democrat to evolve, but not with a Republican because their tenet is that their starting position is already correct. This is why all conservative parties in our country had had multiple deaths to be replaced with a more modern conservative party, the Republican being a "recent" incarnation of it.

    Someone like you, tj, and Rob, are ready for a more modern conservative party, but it is not here yet.
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    Apr 24, 2015 2:43 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    tj85016 said
    woodsmen saidtj: Ted Cruz is not changing his mind about marriage. He said it is available only for a man and a woman. What he changed his mind on is that he has no problem if his own daughter were gay.


    yes, thanks woodsmen, but look at the tenor of the responses on this post, what I'm saying is that it's OK for a Democrat to even change their feelings on gay issues, but not a Republican

    now I'm an Independent and I won't vote for Clinton or Cruz (or Rubio), but these people are hypocrites
    My friend, the only reason why Ted Cruz has apparently changed his mind on gay marriage is because of the money trail. That is the exact same trail Hillary has followed and changed her views. It is all about the money and nothing else. Both Cruz and Clinton are only out for their own self aggrandizement.


    come on Rob, Obama changed his mind for the same reason also, you can't take any of these pricks at face value - you actually have no clue as to what most politicians actually feel on most matters
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    Apr 24, 2015 3:03 AM GMT
    Just another politician trying to say whatever he needs to get elected, nothing new icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 24, 2015 3:05 AM GMT
    I am 100% sure that Clinton and Obama never had any issue whatsoever with same-sex marriage, but if they had come forward with those positions publicly earlier, they would not have achieved as much as they have. I don't think money was a factor at all, though political pressure certainly was.

    Most Senate Republicans also couldn't care less. You have to be fairly educated and somewhat cosmopolitan to be elected to the Senate. But they don't want to lose their primary.

    In any case, I am fairly open to people changing their mind about same-sex marriage. After all, something like 30% of the US population has changed its mind on same-sex marriage in the past 15 years; it's only likely that some of them are politicians.
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    Apr 24, 2015 3:11 AM GMT
    CFL_Oakland saidI am 100% sure that Clinton and Obama never had any issue whatsoever with same-sex marriage, but if they had come forward with those positions publicly earlier, they would not have achieved as much as they have. I don't think money was a factor at all, though political pressure certainly was.

    Most Senate Republicans also couldn't care less. You have to be fairly educated and somewhat cosmopolitan to be elected to the Senate. But they don't want to lose their primary.

    In any case, I am fairly open to people changing their mind about same-sex marriage. After all, something like 30% of the US population has changed its mind on same-sex marriage in the past 15 years; it's only likely that some of them are politicians.


    actually Obama has stated on numerous occasions that he believed marriage is between and man and a woman

    Obama was never a big advocate of gay rights. I believe Eric Holder and many on the Supreme Court are. But Obama never fought for gay rights, he just gave it lip service in some speech somewhere.
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    Apr 24, 2015 3:33 AM GMT
    It's disingenuous to pretend not to understand political realities.
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    Apr 24, 2015 3:49 AM GMT
    CFL_Oakland saidIt's disingenuous to pretend not to understand political realities.


    it's also disingenuous to pretend that Obama is some champion of gay rights and give him credit for something he never did
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    Apr 24, 2015 8:01 AM GMT
    Woodsman, your posts seem intentionally misleading. When did Ted Cruz say that he would not love his daughter if she were a lesbian? I'm googling this and coming up with nothing. Nor do I recall this issue ever coming up in Ted Cruz's short political career. Feel free to post a link to this thread showing that Cruz said at one point that he would not treat his daughter with dignity if she were gay.
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    Apr 24, 2015 9:53 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidoh I get it now, Obama can change his mind on gay marriage and Clinton can change her mind on gay marriage, but Ted Cruz can't.

    I don't support Cruz, but you people are utter hypocrites


    Cruz changed his mind on gay marriage? Hardly.

    Settle down. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 24, 2015 9:58 AM GMT
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    CFL_Oakland saidI am 100% sure that Clinton and Obama never had any issue whatsoever with same-sex marriage, but if they had come forward with those positions publicly earlier, they would not have achieved as much as they have. I don't think money was a factor at all, though political pressure certainly was.

    Most Senate Republicans also couldn't care less. You have to be fairly educated and somewhat cosmopolitan to be elected to the Senate. But they don't want to lose their primary.

    In any case, I am fairly open to people changing their mind about same-sex marriage. After all, something like 30% of the US population has changed its mind on same-sex marriage in the past 15 years; it's only likely that some of them are politicians.


    actually Obama has stated on numerous occasions that he believed marriage is between and man and a woman

    Obama was never a big advocate of gay rights. I believe Eric Holder and many on the Supreme Court are. But Obama never fought for gay rights, he just gave it lip service in some speech somewhere.


    You're wrong (again).

    The President doesn't need to give it lip service. The Obama Administration supports nationwide gay marriage. Perhaps you didn't get that memo?
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    Apr 24, 2015 1:24 PM GMT
    Hillary has accepted 10's of millions of dollars from the Sultan of Brunei and Islamic countries who stone gays to death.

    When is Hillary going to give back the money?

    When is Hillary going to denounce the execution by her friends of gays in foreign countries?

    Liberals: find some evidence of Republican Presidential Candidates accepting money from those who execute gays.

    Here's Hillary at a dinner thrown for her by the murderous butcher of Brunei:
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    Apr 24, 2015 1:28 PM GMT
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    tj85016 said
    CFL_Oakland saidI am 100% sure that Clinton and Obama never had any issue whatsoever with same-sex marriage, but if they had come forward with those positions publicly earlier, they would not have achieved as much as they have. I don't think money was a factor at all, though political pressure certainly was.

    Most Senate Republicans also couldn't care less. You have to be fairly educated and somewhat cosmopolitan to be elected to the Senate. But they don't want to lose their primary.

    In any case, I am fairly open to people changing their mind about same-sex marriage. After all, something like 30% of the US population has changed its mind on same-sex marriage in the past 15 years; it's only likely that some of them are politicians.


    actually Obama has stated on numerous occasions that he believed marriage is between and man and a woman

    Obama was never a big advocate of gay rights. I believe Eric Holder and many on the Supreme Court are. But Obama never fought for gay rights, he just gave it lip service in some speech somewhere.


    You're wrong (again).

    The President doesn't need to give it lip service. The Obama Administration supports nationwide gay marriage. Perhaps you didn't get that memo?


    Obama also supports the execution of gays in Brunei via his "good friend", the butcher of Brunei:



    Obama is also rewarding Brunei with a free trade agreement.
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    Apr 24, 2015 2:19 PM GMT
    credo said
    tj85016 said
    CFL_Oakland saidI am 100% sure that Clinton and Obama never had any issue whatsoever with same-sex marriage, but if they had come forward with those positions publicly earlier, they would not have achieved as much as they have. I don't think money was a factor at all, though political pressure certainly was.

    Most Senate Republicans also couldn't care less. You have to be fairly educated and somewhat cosmopolitan to be elected to the Senate. But they don't want to lose their primary.

    In any case, I am fairly open to people changing their mind about same-sex marriage. After all, something like 30% of the US population has changed its mind on same-sex marriage in the past 15 years; it's only likely that some of them are politicians.


    actually Obama has stated on numerous occasions that he believed marriage is between and man and a woman

    Obama was never a big advocate of gay rights. I believe Eric Holder and many on the Supreme Court are. But Obama never fought for gay rights, he just gave it lip service in some speech somewhere.


    You're wrong (again).

    The President doesn't need to give it lip service. The Obama Administration supports nationwide gay marriage. Perhaps you didn't get that memo?


    no, not really, I distinctly remember Obama saying something like "as a man of Christian faith, I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman" I watched him say it. It's probably on youtube somewhere. But hey, if Obama can change, maybe a few Reps can.
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    KJSharp saidWoodsman, your posts seem intentionally misleading. When did Ted Cruz say that he would not love his daughter if she were a lesbian? I'm googling this and coming up with nothing. Nor do I recall this issue ever coming up in Ted Cruz's short political career. Feel free to post a link to this thread showing that Cruz said at one point that he would not treat his daughter with dignity if she were gay.


    Ted Cruz in general does not accept gays. If Ted Cruz's daughter is a lesbian, she would be gay, so therefore, he would not accept her. Otherwise, am not sure why he said "no problem" with his daughter being gay at the gay donors' function.