Conservative Republicans Alone on Global Warming's Timing

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    Apr 23, 2015 10:11 PM GMT
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/182807/conservative-republicans-alone-global-warming-timing.aspx
    WASHINGTON, D.C. -- While notable majorities of all other political party/ideology groups say the effects of global warming will happen within their lifetime, fewer than four in 10 conservative Republicans (37%) agree..
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    Conservative Republicans not only decisively reject the notion that the effects of global warming will happen in this lifetime -- a position in sharp contrast to all other political identities -- but another 40% say global warming will never happen.

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    Earlier this year, the Senate failed to pass a proposal that would have officially recognized human pollution as a cause of global warming; two of the three announced Republican presidential primary candidates -- Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio -- voted against the measure
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    Apr 25, 2015 7:01 PM GMT
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    Apr 26, 2015 4:00 PM GMT
    It is more accurately known as climate change. There is no global warming. Now give the global warming propaganda a rest. It is climate change that we need to be concerned as evidenced by the recent extreme weather phenomena throughout the world.
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    Apr 26, 2015 4:09 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    It is more accurately known as climate change. There is no global warming. Now give the global warming propaganda a rest. It is climate change that we need to be concerned as evidenced by the recent extreme weather phenomena throughout the world.

    Extreme weather phenomena is a consequence of global warming. And climate change is what happens when you have global warming. I saw computer climate simulations done over 20 years ago, when the first warnings about global warming were being made. And the predictions for extreme weather are exactly what we are now experiencing.

    And every study by every weather agency and every reputable university proves that global warming is here and real. NASA studies from space show it, NOAA studies show it, EU studies show it, everyone shows it.

    Everyone except ideologically & religiously-driven US Right Wingers, whose "science" is taken mainly from their singular interpretation of the Bible. It's disappointing to see you a part of that crowd in this matter.
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    Apr 26, 2015 4:21 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob said
    It is more accurately known as climate change. There is no global warming. Now give the global warming propaganda a rest. It is climate change that we need to be concerned as evidenced by the recent extreme weather phenomena throughout the world.

    Extreme weather phenomena is a consequence of global warming. I saw computer climate simulations done over 20 years ago, when the first warnings about global warming were being made. And the predictions for extreme weather are exactly what we are now experiencing.

    And every study by every weather agency and every reputable university proves that global warming is here and real. NASA studies from space show it, NOAA studies show it, EU studies show it, everyone shows it.

    Everyone except ideologically & religiously-driven US Right Wingers, whose science is mainly taken from their singular interpretation of the Bible. It's disappointing to see you a part of that crowd in this matter.
    Because after suffering through two long brutally cold winters, it is the "warming" part that is baseless bullshit. However, I don't dismiss any of the climate change that has been found thanks to the polluting and poisoning of the atmosphere. I just think that storm systems have gotten more unusually violent regardless of temperature levels. Also keep in mind that volcanic eruptions also have a similar effect on weather patterns.
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    Apr 26, 2015 4:48 PM GMT
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    Because after suffering through two long brutally cold winters, it is the "warming" part that is baseless bullshit. However, I don't dismiss any of the climate change that has been found thanks to the polluting and poisoning of the atmosphere. I just think that storm systems have gotten more unusually violent regardless of temperature levels. Also keep in mind that volcanic eruptions also have a similar effect on weather patterns.

    "What's happening in your neck of the woods" (to quote TV weather reporter Al Rokor) does not give a global picture of climate conditions. We've been having unusually hot summers in Florida. Does that alone make my case for global warming?

    Temperature change is what drives the weather. If the temperature were constant, everywhere and at all times, there would be virtually no wind and no weather as we usually define it.

    Climate models of global warming show that some areas of the Earth will actually become colder, certainly colder than they have been in recent centuries or even millennia. Because entire long-established weather patterns will have changed.

    But OVERALL, the AVERAGE temperature of the Earth is rising, and that is an indisputable, testable and objective fact, not theory or opinion, and certainly not liberal propaganda. And the seas ARE already rising, and will continue to rise. Because the world's ice continues to melt at record levels. And why does it melt? Because average worldwide temps are higher, regardless of what's happening in Buffalo, New York.

    As for volcanic eruptions, the dust they spew into the atmosphere actually REDUCES temperature, because it blocks sunlight. But pollutants in the upper atmosphere are mostly clear, admitting sunlight and solar energy but reducing the heat that radiates into space. Hence the term "greenhouse effect", and why the responsible pollutants are referred to as greenhouse gases. Or as I also think of it, an effect similar to a closed car on a sunny day, without a window open.
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    Apr 26, 2015 6:15 PM GMT
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    http://www.aps.org/units/nes/meetings/upload/lindzen04.pdf
    Despite the claim that global warming is scientifically contentious issue, there really is relatively little disagreement among scientists on many of the basic aspects of the issue. The real problem in public communication is that simple facts about climate are often presented, and/or perceived as having ominous implications -- even when they don’t.


    http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/climate/index.cfm
    Climate Change Statement Review
    APS formally reviews its statements every five years. As part of that process, the APS Panel on Public Affairs (POPA) reviewed the 2007 APS Climate Change Statement and the 2010 associated commentary. The results of that review led POPA to revise the statement. Before the statement is formally adopted by the Society, members are asked to comment on the draft. POPA will review all comments and the draft statement may be modified accordingly. Comments will be accepted through May 6, 2015.


    http://judithcurry.com/2015/04/07/draft-aps-statement-on-climate-change/

    As an APS member who received a copy of the email requesting comments from the membership, my first reaction is that I shouldn’t publish the text of the draft statement. However, the statement has been posted online in public forums (e.g. Reddit), so I see no reason not to post it here. Here is the text


    On Climate Change:
    Earth’s changing climate is a critical issue that poses the risk of significant disruption around the globe. While natural sources of climate variability are significant, multiple lines of evidence indicate that human influences have had an increasingly dominant effect on the climate warming observed since the mid-twentieth century. Although the magnitudes of future effects are uncertain, human influences on the climate are growing. The potential consequences of climate change are great and the policies of the next few decades will determine human influences on the climate for centuries.

    On Climate Science:
    As summarized in the 2013 report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), there continues to be significant progress in climate science. In particular, the connection between rising concentrations of atmospheric greenhouse gases and the increased warming of the global climate system is more certain than ever. Nevertheless, as recognized by Working Group 1 of the IPCC, scientific challenges remain to our abilities to observe, interpret, and project climate changes. To better inform societal choices, the APS urges sustained research in climate science.

    On Climate Action:
    The APS reiterates its 2007 call to support actions that will reduce the emissions, and ultimately the concentration, of greenhouse gases, as well as increase the resilience of society to a changing climate. Because physics and its techniques are fundamental elements of climate science, the APS further urges physicists to collaborate with colleagues across disciplines in climate research and to contribute to the public dialogue.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Curry
    Curry is a Professor and former Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology; she held the latter position from 2002 to 2013.[6] Curry serves on NASA Advisory Council Earth Science Subcommittee whose mission is to provide advice and recommendations to NASA on issues of program priorities and policy. She is a recent member of the NOAA Climate Working Group[6][7] and a former member of the National Academies Space Studies Board and Climate Research Group.[6][8]