"Rich people vote their self-interest in every single election. Why don’t poor people?"

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    Apr 25, 2015 10:47 PM GMT
    Reason a poor republican consistently voted Republican:

    I felt my own poverty was a moral failure. To support my feelings of inadequacy, every move I made only pushed me deeper into poverty.

    To make up for my own failures, I voted to give rich people tax cuts, because somewhere deep inside, I knew they were better than me. They earned it. My support for conservative politics was atonement for the original sin of being white trash.

    I ignored my own personal struggles when I made political decisions.http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/17/1314575/--Rich-People-Vote-their-Self-Interest-in-Every-Single-Election-Why-Don-t-Poor-People?detail=emailclassic

  • Apr 26, 2015 3:22 PM GMT
    Because people don’t know how to decolonize outside their socialization
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    Apr 26, 2015 3:28 PM GMT
    1. Low-information voters are easily deluded & directed.
    2. They think they're advancing their own "Great Expectations" as Charles Dickens called them. The desire for advancement is very strong in the US, even though many of the 99% don't realize they're only digging themselves deeper in the hole when they vote Republican, and merely advancing the 1% and Republican politicians.
  • tazzari

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    Apr 26, 2015 4:36 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said1. Low-information voters are easily deluded & directed.
    2. They think they're advancing their own "Great Expectations" as Charles Dickens called them. The desire for advancement is very strong in the US, even though many of the 99% don't realize they're only digging themselves deeper in the hole when they vote Republican, and merely advancing the 1% and Republican politicians.


    Besides, if it's never worked before, why not keep on doing it?
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    Apr 26, 2015 5:38 PM GMT
    Speaking of Rich People and those easily deluded or directed by Liberals who value the stupidity of the American voter:

    Hillary supports the Billionaire Sultan of Brunei who passed a law to execute gays by stoning. Hillary accepts 10's of Millions of dollars from Brunei and other Islamic nations who imprison or stone gays to death. Some of the countries sell young girls into slavery. Here's Hillary with the Sultan who had a dinner in her honor:
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    Hillary also supports and accepts money from Goldman Sachs
    who paid her an estimated $400,000 for 2 speeches.

    Hillary's son in law works for Goldman Sachs and his father is a convicted felon.

    Here's Hillary with Lloyd Blankfein, left, Chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs:
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    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2013/11/02/hillary_clinton039s_big_paydays_from_goldman_sachs_319105.html

    Here's Hillary supporting the handicapped by illegally parking in one of their spots:
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    Here's Hillary supporting Charlie Rangel who had to step down from Chairmanship of the House Ways and Means Committee due to multiple ethics violations:
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    Here's Hillary supporting Gay Conversion with Mayor and Senate Campaign Manager Bill DeBlasio who converted his lesbian wife to heterosexuality:
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    Here's Hillary with Al Sharpton who likes to refer to us as "Faggots" and "Homos":
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    Apr 26, 2015 9:23 PM GMT

    also kicks puppies
    Hillary Clinton Beats Up Crippled Children, Takes Their Candy And Parking Space




    http://wonkette.com/583036/hillary-clinton-beats-up-crippled-children-takes-their-candy-and-parking-space
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 26, 2015 9:37 PM GMT
    Exactly. In the USA, the rich are held on a pedestal and viewed with favor, so people wallowing in their own inadequacy and failures vote to give them tax breaks and benefits because it, in some weird way, is "just" in their minds. Perhaps a few envision that they could be one of the elite one day, but most probably realize that won't happen, but still want to reward those who "worked hard" for their money.

    Little do they realize that the 1% doesn't work, and for the vast majority of them it was handed to them or they got lucky. Is Mark Zuckerburg really that smart and talented? No, he got incredibly lucky. Good for him, but he didn't get where he is because of his looks (gag) or smarts (comparatively lacking). Romney is another good example. Sure he "worked hard and graduated," like 30% of Americans do, but he's super rich because of inherited money, a job from daddy as a vulture capitalist that took money and food from poor people and padded his and the firm's revenue sheet. The Warren family in Tulsa? Oil. They simply had (otherwise barren) land that has oil under it. We could keep going on, but I think we get the picture.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 26, 2015 9:46 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said1. Low-information voters are easily deluded & directed.
    2. They think they're advancing their own "Great Expectations" as Charles Dickens called them. The desire for advancement is very strong in the US, even though many of the 99% don't realize they're only digging themselves deeper in the hole when they vote Republican, and merely advancing the 1% and Republican politicians.
    The democrats are no damned better Art. Get off this bashing republicans all the time because the democrats are just as much in bed with the wealthy as the republicans. They will say anything to get elected but than come time to fulfill those wonderful promises, the delightful democratic blue gets weak kneed and scared. After that they break their promises and do an about face on the voters. You definitely need to stop being such a blind sycophant to the democratic party. Like the ballerina bozo from Tulsa, you are wet behind the ears.
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 26, 2015 9:54 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco said1. Low-information voters are easily deluded & directed.
    2. They think they're advancing their own "Great Expectations" as Charles Dickens called them. The desire for advancement is very strong in the US, even though many of the 99% don't realize they're only digging themselves deeper in the hole when they vote Republican, and merely advancing the 1% and Republican politicians.
    The democrats are no damned better Art. Get off this bashing republicans all the time because the democrats are just as much in bed with the wealthy as the republicans. They will say anything to get elected but than come time to fulfill those wonderful promises, the delightful democratic blue gets weak kneed and scared. After that they break their promises and do an about face on the voters. You definitely need to stop being such a blind sycophant to the democratic party. Like the ballerina bozo from Tulsa, you are wet behind the ears.


    Since when did classical ballet dancers become the ire of gay men?

    At any rate, stop RoadBikeRob with the FALSE EQUIVALENCY. The GOP and Dems are NOT the same with respect to protecting the poor. Sure the Dems are beholden to big business and aren't perfect, but the Dems are a heck of a lot better than the GOP.

    The Dems PASSED the Lilly Ledbedder Fair Pay Act, helping middle class working women.

    The Dems are PUSHING for a national raise in the federal minimum wage, which helps middle class workers nationwide.

    The Dems PASSED the Civil Rights Act Amendments in 1991.

    The Dems PASSED Obamacare, which helps the uninsured, underinsured, and those with pre-existing health conditions (aka, most people over the age of 40).

    Stop with the false equivalency.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 26, 2015 10:09 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco said1. Low-information voters are easily deluded & directed.
    2. They think they're advancing their own "Great Expectations" as Charles Dickens called them. The desire for advancement is very strong in the US, even though many of the 99% don't realize they're only digging themselves deeper in the hole when they vote Republican, and merely advancing the 1% and Republican politicians.
    The democrats are no damned better Art. Get off this bashing republicans all the time because the democrats are just as much in bed with the wealthy as the republicans. They will say anything to get elected but than come time to fulfill those wonderful promises, the delightful democratic blue gets weak kneed and scared. After that they break their promises and do an about face on the voters. You definitely need to stop being such a blind sycophant to the democratic party. Like the ballerina bozo from Tulsa, you are wet behind the ears.


    Since when did classical ballet dancers become the ire of gay men?

    At any rate, stop RoadBikeRob with the FALSE EQUIVALENCY. The GOP and Dems are NOT the same with respect to protecting the poor. Sure the Dems are beholden to big business and aren't perfect, but the Dems are a heck of a lot better than the GOP.

    The Dems PASSED the Lilly Ledbedder Fair Pay Act, helping middle class working women.

    The Dems are PUSHING for a national raise in the federal minimum wage, which helps middle class workers nationwide.

    The Dems PASSED the Civil Rights Act Amendments in 1991.

    The Dems PASSED Obamacare, which helps the uninsured, underinsured, and those with pre-existing health conditions (aka, most people over the age of 40).

    Stop with the false equivalency.
    It is not a false equivalency you wet behind the ears ballerina bozo. The democrats are no damned better than the republicans, that is proven fact. All these wonderful democratic supported bills aren't going nowhere because of stiff opposition. Once that opposition surfaces, the democrats get scared and weak kneed and buckle in to the opposition. They most likely get paid off and than after that the donkey dorks do a complete about face on the middle and working classes as well as the poor. You are so full of shit but I guess that comes with being a blind, brain dead sycophant to the democratic party.
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 26, 2015 10:12 PM GMT
    Nice rhetoric, but you failed to refute my evidence or provide contradictory evidence of your own (i.e., evidence of the GOP passing legislation that helps poor/working people, but the Dems voting against it).

    Try, there is no modern example. The GOP is NOT friendly to the poor or middle classes. When they do vote for such bills, it's always only a few "moderate" Republicans and virtually ALL Dems supporting the legislation.

    RoadBikeBob and his FALSE EQUIVALENCIES
  • Eli_jah

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    Apr 26, 2015 10:35 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidExactly. In the USA, the rich are held on a pedestal and viewed with favor, so people wallowing in their own inadequacy and failures vote to give them tax breaks and benefits because it, in some weird way, is "just" in their minds. Perhaps a few envision that they could be one of the elite one day, but most probably realize that won't happen, but still want to reward those who "worked hard" for their money.

    Little do they realize that the 1% doesn't work, and for the vast majority of them it was handed to them or they got lucky. Is Mark Zuckerburg really that smart and talented? No, he got incredibly lucky. Good for him, but he didn't get where he is because of his looks (gag) or smarts (comparatively lacking). Romney is another good example. Sure he "worked hard and graduated," like 30% of Americans do, but he's super rich because of inherited money, a job from daddy as a vulture capitalist that took money and food from poor people and padded his and the firm's revenue sheet. The Warren family in Tulsa? Oil. They simply had (otherwise barren) land that has oil under it. We could keep going on, but I think we get the picture.


    Spot on, you nailed it.
  • Lincsbear

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    Apr 26, 2015 10:57 PM GMT
    I think it does have something to do with limited education and ambit, but it ultimately has something to do with the poor`s class consciousness: that richer individuals have a higher social status(and moral)than them and so are accordingly superior, and not to be criticized or acted against.
    This applies, perhaps especially so, to those of the rich who didn`t earn their wealth but inherited it.
    Of course, they may do so against their peers or someone lower(working poor on those on welfare, etc.), a practice strongly encouraged by Republicans/conservative political campaigning and propaganda; the classic 'divide and rule' strategy. This kind of (working?) poor really hate with a vengeance their peers who don`t share this subservient view of society.
    The rich know how to align their interests with society`s; that what is in their interests is good for all; quite an achievement.
    There all sorts of derogatory words and language to denigrate those of the poor who do vote in their own interests, usually along the lines of 'class envy', 'class war and warrior', etc. When the rich vote in their interests it has better sounding words and phrases: 'efficiency', 'flexibility', 'economy', 'good housekeeping', etc.
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 26, 2015 11:09 PM GMT
    Lincsbear saidI think it does have something to do with limited education and ambit, but it ultimately has something to do with the poor`s class consciousness: that richer individuals have a higher social status(and moral)than them and so are accordingly superior, and not to be criticized or acted against.
    This applies, perhaps especially so, to those of the rich who didn`t earn their wealth but inherited it.
    Of course, they may do so against their peers or someone lower(working poor on those on welfare, etc.), a practice strongly encouraged by Republicans/conservative political campaigning and propaganda; the classic 'divide and rule' strategy. This kind of (working?) poor really hate with a vengeance their peers who don`t share this subservient view of society.
    The rich know how to align their interests with society`s; that what is in their interests is good for all; quite an achievement.
    There all sorts of derogatory words and language to denigrate those of the poor who do vote in their own interests, usually along the lines of 'class envy', 'class war and warrior', etc. When the rich vote in their interests it has better sounding words and phrases: 'efficiency', 'flexibility', 'economy', 'good housekeeping', etc.


    Yes. And to add. This elevation of the Rich is UNIQUELY American. In most other cultures, the rich are derided and seen as the greedy and self-interested shills they are. In America, we have this "meritocracy" American Dream mantra, plus we LACK of an aristocracy or ruling class. Because our American system was ostensibly "fair" when it began, those at the top currently "deserve" to be there. This isn't true, and never was, but never let the facts get in the way of a good story/narrative.

    The American narrative is actually working against the people it purports to help. Like the English, we need a healthy skepticism of the ruling, rich and powerful classes.

    We have a uniquely American problem, and we need a uniquely American solution.

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    Apr 26, 2015 11:20 PM GMT
    Democrats have been the champions of the poor and underprivileged since at least the 1930s and the Great Depression, the Republican mess they almost single-handedly fought. And in doing so brought us Social Security, bank regulation and insured deposits, stock market reforms and protections, union protections, vast public works projects that created jobs and also helped to electrify large portions of the US, and dozens of other social innovations. That not surprisingly Republicans today wish to repeal or privatize to corporations friendly to the Party.

    And there have been more recent Democratic social accomplishments. Like the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, school lunch programs, etc. All resisted by most Republicans, and now targets for elimination with the new Republican majorities.
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    Apr 26, 2015 11:38 PM GMT
    Because Republicans have been doing three things to the American people:

    NYT: Imagine yourself as a hired gun for the right tail of the income distribution. What would you do in an effort to stop the median voter from realizing that she would benefit from a more European-style system? Well, you’d do everything you can to exaggerate the disincentive effects of higher taxes, while trying to convince middle-income voters that the benefits of government programs go to other people. And at the same time, you’d do everything you can to disenfranchise lower-income citizens, so that the median voter has a higher income than the median citizen.

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/notes-on-the-political-economy-of-redistribution/
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 27, 2015 12:19 AM GMT
    ^^Nice article, it's exactly what the GOP tries to do, divide and conquer.

    And there's no equivalency, Dems don't try to disenfranchise anyone. Dems just want a FAIR fight. The GOP wants to systematically disenfranchise minority, urban, younger and poorer voters.

    Their most recent foray I remember was when the Ohio Governor deleted by line item a passage buried in a bill that would have made it more difficult for college students to vote. He was Republican, but even he saw that was a bridge too far to disenfranchise potentially hundreds of thousands of young, educated voters.

    The GOP is pathetic. The GOP tent is shrinking, they're a Congressional only party, and cannot be a Presidential party for the foreseeable future.
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    Apr 27, 2015 2:11 AM GMT
    i basically agree with the Democratic analyses posted above but I must weigh in on one particular claim made by Svnw688:

    Is Mark Zuckerburg really that smart and talented? No, he got incredibly lucky. Good for him, but he didn't get where he is because of his looks (gag)

    I for one find Mark Z. to be really cute! (I want to date his gay clone)
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    Apr 27, 2015 2:45 AM GMT
    Every poor person I know votes for the democrats. I am not sure I agree to the premise of this topic unless someone has proof that: 1. Poor people actually vote Republican more often than they vote Democrat, and 2. Voting Republican is not in their best interest.
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    Apr 27, 2015 3:07 AM GMT
    Republicans have used a great many strategies to make poor white people feel as though they're members of an embattled tribe. They encourage the tribal instinct because it overrides everything, even self-preservation or self-benefit. The main organizing principles of the tribe are:
    1) Hate and fear the other. This used to be us, but we've been successfully turning the tide somewhat lately, so now it's Muslims and the old standby, blacks. Oh, and atheists.
    2) Cling bitterly to that old-time religion. This makes them nuts lately too, since the number of self-described evangelicals has been declining year after year, with the largest and sharpest declines among millennials.
    3) Sense of cultural inferiority, reflected in the constant railing about "coastal elites". They feel like their cousin-marrying, pork-rind-eating, trailer-park-dwelling, ignorance-celebrating culture is looked down upon by educated folk who still have many of their original teeth.
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 27, 2015 3:19 AM GMT
    Nobody wants to countenance your vitriol "Juan"
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    Apr 27, 2015 4:31 AM GMT
    Poor people who want a hand up vote Republican.

    Poor people who want a hand out vote Democrat.



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    Apr 27, 2015 4:41 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidPoor people who want a hand up vote Republican.

    Poor people who want a hand out vote Democrat.





    Cite one piece of legislation that benefits poor or middle class people, that the GOP rallied behind, but that Dems were against.

    You can't, I keep up with politics, there hasn't been one piece of legislation at the federal level in the modern era.

    Keep trying with your UNSUBSTANTIATED rhetoric. You're hollow, vapid, and are "that guy" who posts pictures of people a person stands with and does a 'guilt by association' "argument". It's pathetic and transparent. So cue your ad hominem (that mean, attack against "me") attack that fails to add ANY proof or evidence to further your argument, and also simultaneously fails to address any potential shortfalls of my argument. Call me a sissy ballerina, a power bottom, and whatever else you want. I'll readily embrace it and refute your substantive point.
  • tazzari

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    Apr 27, 2015 4:01 PM GMT
    Speaking of Rich People and those easily deluded or directed by Liberals who value the stupidity of the American voter:

    Hillary supports the Billionaire Sultan of Brunei


    Legitimate points all, but I see little here that could not be said equally of GOP candidate, though with different details. The real issue, then, is what candidate would pursue the best policies, and if there is any doubt that Hillary would not be more LGBT-friendly, would not stand up to GOP bluster, would not be respected by the international community - think again.

    The tragedy is that we still are picking the least worst candidate, and hoping for some good outcomes. But God hep us if the GOP won the White House: think of the Supreme Court, the environment, etc. There is no choice.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 27, 2015 9:53 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidNice rhetoric, but you failed to refute my evidence or provide contradictory evidence of your own (i.e., evidence of the GOP passing legislation that helps poor/working people, but the Dems voting against it).

    Try, there is no modern example. The GOP is NOT friendly to the poor or middle classes. When they do vote for such bills, it's always only a few "moderate" Republicans and virtually ALL Dems supporting the legislation.

    RoadBikeBob and his FALSE EQUIVALENCIES
    You have no valid evidence just your usual covering up for Democratic Party which in reality is no damned better than the republicans. The equivalency is the absolute truth, accept it and shut the fuck up you ballerina bozo.icon_mad.gif