Bathtubs - IN or OUT?

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    Apr 26, 2015 6:57 AM GMT
    Most controversial topic of the year: are bathtubs IN or OUT?

    Every time I go to a bathroom in Montreal, I die a little inside... and I'm not talking about constipation!

    The vision of a plastic curtain standing next to a bathtub stirs my most primal instincts. It makes me wonder where I can find a flamethrower so I can send those smiley ducks on the curtain straight to hell.

    Having a separate shower and bathtub is considered high end, but many people in smaller apartments still want to have both, so the most common configuration in many places like here in Montreal is a bathtub with a shower, separated from the rest of the bathroom by a curtain.

    I can't be the only one who hates this arrangement. Bathtubs are cool, but improvising them as a shower is appalling. The curtain is a precarious way to stop some water from the shower from spilling onto the bathroom floor, so inevitably you have to put the curtain in the bathtub, which just highlights how this is a precarious improvisation.

    This is without mentioning that many of such bathtubs are just unusable: I'm talking about all those without reclined surfaces for one to lay his backs and all those that are just unsuitable for anyone above 5'11.

    Several new condos that don't have a separate bathtub and shower are now including just the shower. Architects are doing away with bathtubs when there is a constraint in bathroom space. A separate shower space is now essential. Whether it's due to its sustainability (you need less water) or because it's more in line with our modern habits (it's quicker) or simply because the bathroom + shower arrangement (with the curtain) has a stench of old.

    How is the configuration in your place?

    - Separate shower and bathtub
    - Shower + bathtub
    - Bathtub only
    - Shower only

    Do you like your bathroom arrangement? Would you rather change it?




    A small gallery...

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    Bathtub. No curtain. Great!

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    Separate bathtub and shower. Awesome!

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    Shower only. Cool.

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    Aesthetically acceptable solution for those who want shower + bathtub.
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    Apr 26, 2015 7:02 AM GMT
    Separate shower and bathtub. Do not underestimate the utility of the bathtub.
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    Apr 26, 2015 7:03 AM GMT
    I haven't done it in a while but I used to soak in a bathtub of hot water. One of my bathrooms has a tub / shower combo, the other is shower only.

    Another problem with the bathtub + shower setup is that when you get out you have to step out over the edge of the bathtub, which is sort of dangerous since the bathtub is slippery.

    With both of my bathrooms the top bar where the glass doors hang from is low and I have to duck under it to get out.
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    Apr 26, 2015 7:06 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidSeparate shower and bathtub. Do not underestimate the utility of the bathtub.


    But what do you do when you don't have space for both?
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    Apr 26, 2015 7:25 AM GMT
    Have you ever been to Paris? You can take a shower in a bathtub but you can't take a bath in a shower.
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    Apr 26, 2015 3:42 PM GMT
    I have the shower/tub combo. No space for both. The tub is great for bathing the dogs icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 26, 2015 4:03 PM GMT
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    I just bought this japanese tub for my renovation. The new bathroom will have a wet area which will include this tub, the shower and the entire room will also function as a steam room so you can steam while you soak or just sit on a bench. The wet area will be enclosed by a glass wall and glass door. No curtain! I'll post photos when it's done.
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    Apr 26, 2015 5:51 PM GMT
    Oh, good grief. I am not going to spend Sunday morning cleaning the bathrooms, just so that I can photograph them.

    But they are all separate.

    Master suite: you walk around behind the closet and the end of the passage is the shower, with a little window looking out on the mountains. There is a large corner jacuzzi opposite the bed, but I use it about three or four times a year. It gathers dust. Have to clean it before every use. Could do away with it. (Except, you know, occasionally have sex in it.)

    Guest suite: Kind of backwards from the worst case listed above. The shower is 6 x 6 and a small jacuzzi tub is in the back of the shower.

    Yard: Hot tub in the corner of a windbreak fence, open air shower / wetsuit drying area on the fence next to it.

    In college I lived in apartments that had no tub. I don't recall ever missing its presence.
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    Apr 26, 2015 6:18 PM GMT
    We have a small condo, but our 2 bathrooms gives us a different way to deal with this dilemma.

    The master bedroom bath has a long, deep Jacuzzi tub. Only big enough for 1, but a real bathtub you can stretch out in. Centered above it is a shower head in the ceiling. We still want to be able to rinse off any soap when done with the bath, and of course it's needed to shampoo hair.

    The tub is framed with a heavy decorative curtain, plus a wet curtain for shower use. When we have dinner guests we tend to draw the decorative curtain closed, since we don't want our bathtub and our shampoo bottles on display.

    In the second bathroom is a large shower with clear glass doors. That's what we use most days. It has 5 shower heads so you can get sprayed from top to bottom, like a car wash, plus a hand wand, but I almost always only use the overhead one.

    Frankly I find the 4 water control knobs a chore, and never know what will be hitting me my first shower after the cleaning lady had visited us. Once I've set things back to what I want I just leave them that way until her next week's visit.
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    Apr 26, 2015 6:20 PM GMT
    Radd said312b73e6bd4c27cc86b333f7f7a3ed65.jpg
    I just bought this japanese tub for my renovation. The new bathroom will have a wet area which will include this tub, the shower and the entire room will also function as a steam room so you can steam while you soak or just sit on a bench. The wet area will be enclosed by a glass wall and glass door. No curtain! I'll post photos when it's done.


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    Apr 26, 2015 6:44 PM GMT
    The idea of bathing is a little old school. I purpose don't like the look of them in a bathroom, and they take up to much space when you can more room for maybe a closet or larger shower perhaps with a bench.

    Older clients still tend to request to have a tub or those with kids. Even the large master bathroom clients prefer no bathtub. What really popular right now is huge shower with infinity drain.
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    Apr 26, 2015 6:45 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidHave you ever been to Paris? You can take a shower in a bathtub but you can't take a bath in a shower.


    When I went to Paris my bathroom had no space for a bathtub so incredibly that 19th building had a more modern bathroom than most of downtown Montreal buildings.
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    Apr 26, 2015 6:55 PM GMT
    bri_66 saidI have the shower/tub combo. No space for both. The tub is great for bathing the dogs icon_smile.gif


    For people who live in apartments (or high end homes with their own laundry rooms), many laundry rooms have a water tank made for manual washings which you can use to bathe your dog, though that depends on the size of the dog and the tank.
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    Apr 26, 2015 9:53 PM GMT
    My great-grandparents house, like a lot of the older small homes around here, was built before indoor plumbing. What they tended to do was to convert one of the bedrooms into a bath. Big cast-iron claw-foot tub in the middle of the room. Toilet over in a corner with a curtain around it. If you had some nice windows in there too, it could be pretty sweet. (My grandparents had no windows in there - it was dark and spooky.)

    But not a very efficient use of space.

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    I stayed at the Edgewater Hotel in Seattle, which had that arrangement. (Though the bed was in there too) And also the Francis Drake Hotel in San Francisco.
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 26, 2015 10:49 PM GMT
    NYC-last picture, shower and bath combo, but glass doors.

    SouthBeach-the master has a bathtub, the guest/2nd bdrm a shower.

    Tulsa-The master has a bathtub (English style so it's long to accommodate him, and it has a 'sloped' back for a relaxing recline), the guest/2nd bdrm (the bedroom we converted to a large joint office and library) has a shower with an infinity ledge and 2 large overhead showerheads (perfect post sex when we shower together, they can be turned to a single person or turned down to shower two at once).

    I like all my configurations, but would say:

    Never underestimate how relaxing a hot bath with epsom salt and a glass of red wine can be.

    If you haven't experienced a shower with multiple outlets (for lack of a better term), you should. It feels like a waterfall and is one of my favorite parts of the day when I'm in Tulsa.

    Thankfully, I don't pay for water in any (just the heat) of the residences. Though I am somewhat environmentally friendly and I refrain from taking excessively long showers.
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    Apr 26, 2015 10:55 PM GMT
    I will simply add, to the OPs point, yes, the shower/bath with tacky shower curtain is unattractive.

    I'm thinking, and I feel like this combo is very popular in NYC (even in newer buildings) and Philadelphia. Growing up my brother and I shared a bathroom, and it had a shower and bath in one with glass doors.

    Interesting, I'd never really thought about this issue. There are lots of possible configurations.
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    Apr 26, 2015 10:55 PM GMT
    We only have the bath/shower combo. I would love a shower on it's own but we don't have the room for that.
  • metta

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    Apr 27, 2015 12:58 AM GMT
    It really depends on the space you have.

    My Master Bath has both but I barely use the tub. I prefer a walk-in shower most of the time. I really like for showers to be roomy.
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    Apr 27, 2015 1:23 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    bon_pan said
    Radd said312b73e6bd4c27cc86b333f7f7a3ed65.jpg
    I just bought this japanese tub for my renovation. The new bathroom will have a wet area which will include this tub, the shower and the entire room will also function as a steam room so you can steam while you soak or just sit on a bench. The wet area will be enclosed by a glass wall and glass door. No curtain! I'll post photos when it's done.


    Very sexy...icon_wink.gif


    I will admit that I find this modern style very attractive. However, that bathtub looks like it holds the equivalent of three or four tubs worth of water. That's such an unnecessary and excessive waste of water for one person to bathe in.

    I personally don't care whether the shower and tub are separate. I do love soaking in a hot tub of water but I try to be considerate and conserve water resources. On average I take showers that are less than two minutes long. I wet myself down, turn the water off, lather up and quickly rinse off.


    This is not the exact model I got. Mine is shaped more like a large tea cup. The website wouldn't let me grab the image so I used this one to show what it looks like (sort of.) Mine has a seat inside and you sit like you're sitting in a chair so it actually uses less water.
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    Apr 27, 2015 2:07 AM GMT
    ^^There's a chair seat in your bathtub?

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    Apr 27, 2015 2:07 AM GMT
    Svnw688 saidInteresting, I'd never really thought about this issue. There are lots of possible configurations.


    It is an issue to me because here in downtown Montreal the only way you can have a walk-in shower is buying a new condo or paying a higher price for renting the few units that happen to have it. Apparently Montrealers still see the walk-in showers as a luxury rather than a basic right, probably because this is the sole configuration they've been exposed to. For immigrants from warmer countries where walk-in showers are standard, this bathtub + shower + curtain setup is a downgrade.
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    Apr 27, 2015 2:17 AM GMT
    Well, that's another reason that I rarely use the big tub. My tankless water heater can only heat about 1 - 1.5 GPM in the winter, so it can take 45 minutes to fill up the tub. But it sure is nice to relax in after working outside in the snow and mud all day. I suppose one could hook it in to one of those home automation systems, connected to the internet, so one could start it filling over the phone before one got home...

    It's not a question of wasting water - I basically have my own watershed and the treated water goes back into the aquifers.
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    Apr 27, 2015 2:23 AM GMT
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    I just bought this japanese tub for my renovation.

    Reminds me of the nursery rhyme,

    Rub-a-dub-dub,
    Three men in a tub,
    And who do you think they were?
    The butcher, the baker,
    The candlestick-maker,
    They all sailed out to sea,
    'Twas enough to make a man stare.

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    Apr 27, 2015 2:40 AM GMT
    Bathtub with glass door.
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    Apr 27, 2015 6:54 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    bon_pan said
    Radd said312b73e6bd4c27cc86b333f7f7a3ed65.jpg
    I just bought this japanese tub for my renovation. The new bathroom will have a wet area which will include this tub, the shower and the entire room will also function as a steam room so you can steam while you soak or just sit on a bench. The wet area will be enclosed by a glass wall and glass door. No curtain! I'll post photos when it's done.


    Very sexy...icon_wink.gif


    I will admit that I find this modern style very attractive. However, that bathtub looks like it holds the equivalent of three or four tubs worth of water. That's such an unnecessary and excessive waste of water for one person to bathe in.

    I personally don't care whether the shower and tub are separate. I do love soaking in a hot tub of water but I try to be considerate and conserve water resources. On average I take showers that are less than two minutes long. I wet myself down, turn the water off, lather up and quickly rinse off.


    1. Who says only one person will be in it.

    2. It's New Orleans. A huge supply of water flows past us every second of every day for the past 200+ years.