Gays, Not Democrats, Are Bringing Down GOP

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    Apr 27, 2015 1:48 AM GMT
    NYT: Once a winning primary issue as well as a powerful wedge issue, same-sex marriage has grown far more complicated for Republicans.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/27/us/politics/gop-struggling-with-shifts-on-gay-marriage.html
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    Apr 27, 2015 2:17 AM GMT
    In the 2004 Presidential election Karl Rove devised 2 winning strategies for GW Bush and the Republicans: campaign against gays by placing popular anti-gay initiatives on state ballots that people would associate with Republicans; and make political allies of the evangelicals and Christian fundamentalists. Who would be especially vocal from the pulpit in condemning gays and supporting the initiatives, along with their Republican backers.

    Problem today in 2014 is that those have become toxic issues for Republicans in many parts of the country. And losing popular voter support overall. But the Republicans are stuck with this Tar Baby, because the evangelicals won't abandon their anti-gay stance. And having made evangelicals and Christian fundamentalists an important part of the Republican Base, Republicans don't dare defy them.

    And then the Republicans hoped to repeat their 2004 success with the Koch Brothers creation of the Tea Party. And once again it worked well in 2010. And again in 2012, but with less strong support for Tea Baggers, including the Republican primaries. But it's now coming back to haunt them.

    I suspect many Republican leaders would dearly love to moderate or totally reverse their positions on gay issues. But they made their pack with the twin Devils of religious fundamentalism and the Tea Party, the Bible replacing the US Constitution, and a paranoid hatred of all government making sensible governing increasing impossible.

    So it isn't so much that gays themselves are bringing down the GOP, but rather the GOP is bringing itself down. By having painted itself into an anti-gay corner, as the NYT article outlines.
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 27, 2015 7:24 AM GMT
    The GOP doesn't stand for anything, but rather stands AGAINST fellow Americans.

    I cannot abide by that creed. It's antithetical to the true patriot I am, and it disgusts me. This nation is about equality. Period, full stop.

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    Apr 27, 2015 7:07 PM GMT
    as a gay man i would say 8years ago either party would work. not any more tho.
  • jeepguySD

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    Apr 28, 2015 10:54 AM GMT
    Makes me wonder if the more conservative justices will concede same-sex marriage as a right in order to eliminate this liability for their party.
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    Apr 28, 2015 2:41 PM GMT
    NYT: There is a reason most Republican politicians have not tailored their positions on major issues toward younger voters: Doing so would risk angering the party’s base, which is predominantly old, white and culturally conservative.

    Enter the Supreme Court.

    With the legality of same-sex marriage being argued on Tuesday, the court could allow Republicans to abandon an unpopular position without abandoning their principles or risking a primary challenge. History would effectively be bailing out the Republican.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/upshot/why-a-ruling-for-same-sex-marriage-would-help-republicans.html?
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    Apr 28, 2015 3:41 PM GMT



    ...and another one bites the dust:


    http://www.towleroad.com/2015/04/anti-gay-north-dakota-lawmaker-caught-sending-nude-pics-to-another-man-on-grindr.html?utm_content=buffer13991&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer


    ...apparently, he's glad he was caught.

    "The exchange came to light when Dustin Smith, a 21-year-old Bismarck man with no known connections to the Capitol, contacted The Forum of Fargo-Moorhead earlier this month, saying he recognized Boehning from a gay dating smartphone app called Grindr. Chatting under the user name Top Man!, Boehning sent Smith sexually suggestive messages and, in the early morning hours of March 12, an unsolicited photo of his penis, according to exchanges reviewed by The Forum.

    "How can you discriminate against the person you're trying to pick up?" Smith said in a recent interview.

    Boehning has confirmed he is "Top Man!" and that he is gay.

    He also said that his family members and friends had not previously known that information but he is relieved that "the 1,000-pound gorilla has been lifted."

    Boehing will now be forced to do his boning publicly."
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    Apr 28, 2015 4:07 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidNYT: There is a reason most Republican politicians have not tailored their positions on major issues toward younger voters: Doing so would risk angering the party’s base, which is predominantly old, white and culturally conservative.

    Enter the Supreme Court.

    With the legality of same-sex marriage being argued on Tuesday, the court could allow Republicans to abandon an unpopular position without abandoning their principles or risking a primary challenge. History would effectively be bailing out the Republican.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/upshot/why-a-ruling-for-same-sex-marriage-would-help-republicans.html?

    It might, if Republicans now drop the issue. But I wonder if they will?

    Many of them have publicly said they will press for a US Constitutional Amendment to outlaw same-sex marriage, which would trump the Supreme Court. The Court can only rule on what the Constitution says, and if it's amended to say same-sex marriage is prohibited, then that ends the debate.

    And some States are saying they will ignore the Supreme Court, if it rules in favor of gay marriage. This has precedence. Southern States ignored the Court in the 1950s when it ruled that "separate but equal" school discrimination was unconstitutional.

    President Eisenhower had to federalize the National Guard to enforce it, and it still wasn't happening everywhere. It took the passage of Congressional legislation in the 1960s to finally end it. (Though Republicans are currently doing an end-run with "charter schools") I remember as late as 1970, when attending the Kentucky Derby, seeing water fountains and restrooms marked "White" and "Colored".

    The Supreme Court decision is not a given, as everyone is assuming. And even if they approve same-sex marriage, it may be with many caveats. Plus acceptance by the States may not happen overnight. I see years of struggle still ahead. And if a Constitutional Amendment is passed, which a favorable Court decision may prompt, well, then we're dead in the water.
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    Apr 28, 2015 4:44 PM GMT
    Even if the Supremes make a broad ruling in favor of universal marriage, one could still imagine how the right could roll it into their strategy. Drum up outrage to fire up their base while telling the "moderates" that it's a moot point and hoping they'll ignore the craziness.
  • tazzari

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    Apr 28, 2015 5:13 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidThe GOP doesn't stand for anything, but rather stands AGAINST fellow Americans.

    I cannot abide by that creed. It's antithetical to the true patriot I am, and it disgusts me. This nation is about equality. Period, full stop.



    +1- with enthusiasm!

    "Gays, Not Democrats, Are Bringing Down GOP" Well, now there's something we can point to with pride!
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    Apr 28, 2015 6:30 PM GMT
    NYT: Justice Kennedy’s tone was more emotional and emphatic when he made the case for same-sex marriage. That, coupled with his earlier judicial opinions, gave gay rights advocates reason for optimism by the end of the arguments, which lasted two and a half hours.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage.html?
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    Apr 28, 2015 9:44 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidNYT: Justice Kennedy’s tone was more emotional and emphatic when he made the case for same-sex marriage. That, coupled with his earlier judicial opinions, gave gay rights advocates reason for optimism by the end of the arguments, which lasted two and a half hours.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage.html?


    Kennedy likened Lawrence (he authored) and this case to Brown and Loving. He's voting for gay marriage, says the smart money.

    Why would you liken yourself to one of the most iconic decisions in SCOTUS history and then rule for bigotry? Kennedy is not THAT conservative, and he's always had a huge human rights streak.