New York to investigate Boy Scouts

  • metta

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    Apr 28, 2015 9:07 PM GMT
    N.Y. to investigate Boy Scouts


    http://www.washingtonblade.com/2015/04/23/n-y-to-investigate-boy-scouts/
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 28, 2015 9:12 PM GMT
    Their policy CLEARLY violates New York Human Rights Law. They're toast unless they can come up with some kind of a "bona fide occupational qualification" exception, which I do not think they can. The only thing you could say is "gays rape young boys and therefore are a danger," but that argument has been legally debunked (see the Prop 8 litigation).

    They're screwed.
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    Apr 29, 2015 9:01 PM GMT
    They're a private non profit. I disagree with them but why go after them?
    They don't have real jobs at BSA. they're mostly volunteers. And even the higher ups are most doing it part time.
    The BSA will come around eventually or they'll wither away.
    I'm just glad the girl scouts are more open. I'd still stuff my face with Thin Mints but the guilt would be brutal.
  • Svnw688

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    Apr 29, 2015 9:57 PM GMT
    Well, they can argue some kind of a franchisee/francisor argument, so they don't hit the employee threshold (like fast food restaurants have successfully done for Title VII claims), but NYSHRL and NYCHRL have a very low threshold, a handful (perhaps 4 or 5). Liability will likely stick, and protection of NYSHRL and NYCHRL extends to "unpaid interns" and volunteers at non-profits. So that 'escape' is foreclosed.

    Again, I think they're screwed.
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    Apr 29, 2015 11:38 PM GMT
    Well, it's not as if it's particularly lucrative, but the paid positions used to start at the "district" level - basically one medium-sized town or several smaller ones. Plus summer camp employees.

    I accidentally sat in on a PDX district meeting - held in a fast-food restaurant where I was eating - with a couple of loud speakers. (WTF? back in my day, they had a whole office building downtown for that stuff.) They were debating a couple of troops that could only dredge up 19 y/o's for scoutmasters.

    Seems like the whole organization is fading away.
  • honestsweat

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    Apr 30, 2015 1:27 PM GMT
    Follow the money.

    The BSA has substantial endowments and significant land holdings that would make any investigative entity with the ability to levy fines salivate.

    It is a brutal fact that, in addition to investigating misconduct, the state agency known as the attorney general's office in New York has revenue goals that it must meet.

    Not every investigation is as pure as the driven snow.
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    Apr 30, 2015 1:41 PM GMT
    Well, at least Scouts Canada doesn't have to deal with this sort of investigation - we don't *have* policies like that ;)

    Doctor9
  • metta

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    May 02, 2015 8:24 PM GMT
    Group offers to donate more than $50,000 to Boy Scouts if group drops ban on gay adults



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    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/group-offers-donate-more-50000-boy-scouts-if-group-drops-ban-gay-adults010515