Gotham

  • Tropicalcium

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    Apr 29, 2015 8:18 PM GMT
    Is anyone watching Gotham?
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    May 01, 2015 9:56 AM GMT
    I have been watching it, but it's really fucking bad.

    I wouldn't mind if it was just a mini-series that focused mainly on the murder of the Waynes, but who the hell wants to watch 20 fucking episodes of how the Penguin became a club owner, and Will Smith's wife playing a black Sharon Osbourne???

    The action scenes are piss poor, it's like they couldn't afford the stunts used in Arrow, so they make up for it by shoving in tacky bloody violence.
    We keep finding out that basically every member of Batman's rogue's gallery had a drunk and/or abusive father, and a drunk and/or whore for a mother. icon_rolleyes.gif

    The only decent thing about the show is the girl who plays young Selina Kyle - she upstages the whole cast.

    People who want to watch a TV show set in Gotham City are better off sticking with Batman the Animated Series, unless they want to watch torture porn featuring a bunch of characters who have nothing whatsoever to do with Batman.
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    May 01, 2015 5:35 PM GMT
    I'm watching it, and I like how they're building the characters, especially this last week's show with the Joker.
  • FuerteC

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    May 04, 2015 7:16 PM GMT
    Finale tonight?
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    May 04, 2015 11:46 PM GMT
    new_forest_guy saidI have been watching it, but it's really fucking bad.

    I wouldn't mind if it was just a mini-series that focused mainly on the murder of the Waynes, but who the hell wants to watch 20 fucking episodes of how the Penguin became a club owner, and Will Smith's wife playing a black Sharon Osbourne???

    The action scenes are piss poor, it's like they couldn't afford the stunts used in Arrow, so they make up for it by shoving in tacky bloody violence.
    We keep finding out that basically every member of Batman's rogue's gallery had a drunk and/or abusive father, and a drunk and/or whore for a mother. icon_rolleyes.gif

    The only decent thing about the show is the girl who plays young Selina Kyle - she upstages the whole cast.

    People who want to watch a TV show set in Gotham City are better off sticking with Batman the Animated Series, unless they want to watch torture porn featuring a bunch of characters who have nothing whatsoever to do with Batman.


    You see, even though Fish Mooney is my favorite character next to Penguin in Gotham, I do understand why others or many aren't fond of her.

    To begin, she can be bombastic despite being based off of Eartha Kitt's performance of Catwoman from the live-action Batman series, which can be considered over-the-top for the setting that Gotham takes place in (you could say Joker's over the top but his actions befit the gritty world of Gotham). She's fiery-tempered, hammy, and to some obnoxious, though she does go under a great amount of character development around Episode 8 and so on.

    There's also the fact Fish's an original character created solely for the show whose intention is to overthrow Falcone to become "Queen of Gotham", yet she doesn't realize how poorly she kept her plans hidden or that others will fight her for that position. To best describe her presence in the story from the perspective of others, she's basically a chick who showed up to a party she wasn't even invited to and decided she could take it over.

    That being said, I enjoyed Jada Pinkett Smith's performance as Fish Mooney and will miss her as she won't appear in Season 2. Concerning the overall show, I'm not "well-versed" in DC media so I can't criticize, but I will say that the show had its stale moments until the past two episodes - I didn't care for The Ogre or Barbara's subplot at all.
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    May 05, 2015 9:23 AM GMT
    You can watch an episode of Bruce Timm's Animated Series and see a badass villain show up and commit a crime. Batman investigates the villain, then takes the villain down in a climactic action scene, all in a 20 minute episode.

    This show is just dragging on a bunch of back story events.

    OK, we get the idea that Penguin has been treated like a freak all his life and ends up becoming a mob boss who is respected and feared by criminals - can we just get him to that stage already instead of watching him embarrass himself every week?

    OK, Ed Nigma goes from being a disgruntled employee to a criminal mastermind. We don't need to see 15 episodes of him failing to impress the chick who is banging half the GPD.

    And Barbara is gonna become Batgirl's mother. Do we really care about her on-off situation with Jim and seeing her go in and out of her lesbian crackhead phase?

    Maybe there should be a Spiderman prequel about how Aunt May and Uncle Ben first met. It can be all about how they weren't sure about committing to a family because Aunt May was having fun as a bisexual cabaret singer, but they reluctantly end up looking after Ben's nephew and slowly try to forget their past and bond with him, and we get side stories about younger versions of the villains trying and failing to build their devices every week. That's basically what this show has done with the Batman mythology.
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    May 05, 2015 11:04 AM GMT
    I hated it for a while... until I looked at it a little bit differently.

    This is not a Batman story. Let me say it again... this is NOT a Batman story. That simple fact makes all the difference in the world.

    This show is the Jim Gordon story. His rise to power in the ranks of the Police force, his eventual becoming the Commissioner. His efforts, successful or otherwise, to clean up the streets and the corruption in the GPD.

    He's not a super hero, so I don't expect super-hero-action sequences. He doesn't have anyone to swoop in and save him, so he's relying on his wits.

    Sure, there are story arcs about some of the incidental characters of the Batman Mythos, but these are the stories that predate Batman. These are the stories of all the other folks who live in Gotham.

    Once I put Batman out of my head, the show got so much better.