Why Some Men Are Fitter Than Others

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    Apr 30, 2015 3:49 AM GMT
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    NYT: A new study in rats adds to a growing body of data about how and why bodies respond so differently to exercise.

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/why-some-people-get-fitter-than-others/?ref=health
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    Apr 30, 2015 3:27 PM GMT
    I'll take both of them please.
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    Apr 30, 2015 8:10 PM GMT
    Let's just keep quiet about it before the lazy ones use it as an excuse! icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 30, 2015 8:57 PM GMT
    Genes... I've know that for ages.

    All my adult life I've struggled to have a better build than the guy on the right in the photo... I was going to gyms backs in the late 1970s when gyms were a whole other type of thing than they are now.

    But then let's talk about the other extreme.

    My lover of 23 years never worked out, other than softball, swimming, skiiing, surfing and yardwork all of which he loved. For the 23 years I had with him he kept a 32 inch waist, a ripped set of abs and pecs... with arms like the guy on the left in the photo. Now his son is 45 and has has his father's genetic advantages... and so does his own son... It's just not fair ... hahaha!

    In some cases IT'S DEFINITELY GENETIC
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    May 01, 2015 1:03 AM GMT
    Cardio does very little for me. But weight training and diet combined cut me fairly easily.
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    May 01, 2015 1:24 AM GMT
    Yes, genetics. I predict many surprising advancements as this new "scientific" field gains supporters from the academic community.

    So when we were breeding the bulls born of heavy milk-producing cows to heifers born of other heavy milk-producing cows, THAT effect on the grandchild (who basically bled milk) was "genetics?"

    Hmmmmmm. Will wonders never cease?
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    May 01, 2015 3:16 AM GMT
    Can't tell whether that is entirely sarcasm, or just a complete misunderstanding of the effects of the genetic code....

    You do know there are lots of things determined by our genes, right?

    Some are very basic, some have much more complicated effects.

    Not sure if you just don't believe the well-established and respected science of genetics, or you are just pooh-poohing this particular study...

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    May 01, 2015 6:00 AM GMT
    bachian saidLet's just keep quiet about it before the lazy ones use it as an excuse! icon_lol.gif
    +1
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    May 01, 2015 11:50 PM GMT
    Doctor9 saidCan't tell whether that is entirely sarcasm, or just a complete misunderstanding of the effects of the genetic code...


    Pay careful attention to my use of quotation marks. You'll get it eventually.
  • beaujangle

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    May 02, 2015 12:57 AM GMT
    bobbobbob saidGenes... I've know that for ages.

    All my adult life I've struggled to have a better build than the guy on the right in the photo... I was going to gyms backs in the late 1970s when gyms were a whole other type of thing than they are now.

    But then let's talk about the other extreme.

    My lover of 23 years never worked out, other than softball, swimming, skiiing, surfing and yardwork all of which he loved. For the 23 years I had with him he kept a 32 inch waist, a ripped set of abs and pecs... with arms like the guy on the left in the photo. Now his son is 45 and has has his father's genetic advantages... and so does his own son... It's just not fair ... hahaha!

    In some cases IT'S DEFINITELY GENETIC



    Um, you just mentioned he plays softball, swimming etc; that explains a lot about his fitness
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    May 02, 2015 2:29 AM GMT
    What I have found and what mom always told me, I am "like an certain uncle of hers". As someone under weight most of my life (at age 18, 6' 130 lbs). The only way to gain anything, weight or muscle is one, genetics. During a boys puberty cycle as gaining muscle mass through weight gain is one of the last stages of puberty. Not just puberty, but on time or early puberty will give the best result in finishing the last stage of muscle development.

    If something goes wrong through the puberty cycle, such as a thyroid or pituitary gland malfunction, the last cycle of puberty, muscle development will be affected going forward. This determines, under, normal, over weight category during a boys development through adulthood.

    Puberty development must be ruled out first in order to determine why some men get fitter than others and not for a lack of trying. From doing family history and my research, I now know I suffered a growth hormone deficiency, probably pituitary gland malfunction due to a brain injury from surviving carbon monoxide poisoning as a child. If this injury had not happened, I believe I would have grown normally and reached muscle development like my older brother, who reached his puberty by the age of 10, about 5 years earlier than me.

    I believe the same is true for the over weight "child", which would be a thyroid malfunction and probably early during their puberty development. I am sorry to put so much priority on a boys puberty as to why some adult men are fitter than others. I didn't even factor in low, normal or high birth weight, this article doesn't mention either birth weight or puberty. It just assumes some adult men are lazy (maybe the case for some normal men with normal growth pattern) who just fail to take care of their bodies without taking into account the growth factor during pre adolescent

    You cannot group all men into "should be fit" category's. This is the same lesson the BMI index gives us, you can be fit like Dwayne the Rock Johnson, but be considered obese by what "normal" is supposed to be. It took me until I was almost 40 years old just to reach what my "normal" BMI index weight for my height should be. And that was years of eating anything I want and the amount of what I ate was the sky's limit. The last ten years is the only time I could control my weight gain, loss or get any muscle development because I could actually gain weight. Over weight men actually have it easier to get fit than under weight men. They just need the will power to get there. Being obese though, there is more going on in the mind and body than just will power.
  • Buddha

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    May 02, 2015 11:15 AM GMT
    pazzy saidso they're basically trying to draw conclusions about humans by using lab rats? icon_lol.gif no.


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    May 02, 2015 4:27 PM GMT
    pazzy saidso they're basically trying to draw conclusions about humans by using lab rats? icon_lol.gif no.



    yes it's surprising how influential rats & mice are in modern biomedical science
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    Jun 03, 2015 9:47 PM GMT
    It depends on the body type ectos, ecto-mesos, mesos and endos. Ectomorphs are skinny and they won't be able to build muscles as fast and when they build muscles, they would "lose" it faster if they stopped weight training.

    Endomorphs are on the opposite scale, they must do a lot of cardio in order to cut fat but they can build muscles quickly,

    Mesomorphs are the "lucky" ones, they are able to build more muscle and lose fat it they combine weight training with some cardio exercise.

    Ectomorph

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    Mesomorph

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    Endomorph

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    On a tangent, mice and rats are a good analogue for humans, they share over 90 percent of our genetic make-up and they are cheap and reproduce quickly.
    Elephants would be bad, they have a long gestation cycle and are cumbersome.icon_lol.gif
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