Osgood Schlatter at 'my age'!?

  • BuggEyedSprit...

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    Apr 30, 2015 2:38 PM GMT
    Anyone else tormented by this below the knee injury?! Never had it as a child, but came on with a vengeance 6 months, ago. I've been icing and stretching, but is literally painfully slow to recover, if at all.

    I apparently developed mine after doing years of massage, pushing with my legs for deep tissue. Then, I begain doing 'air' squats' at my overnight job to raise the heart rate and stay awake, too.

    Bingo!


    Need some words of advice, sympathy, admonishment, etc.

    Thanks.
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  • BuggEyedSprit...

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    Apr 30, 2015 3:16 PM GMT
    Did find several refs on the site, so thanks to those guys, however, has anyone had any success with the elliptical machine?icon_question.gif
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    May 01, 2015 1:18 AM GMT
    No. Elliptical tends to keep your leg in a slight flex position, and aggravates the mechanism that led to your overuse injury.

    More hamstring stretches. I use the barre (it's the bar mounted in front of the mirror at the ballet studio, thus the extra letters for exactly the same word and definition, ha ha). I cannot do the splits with my farmer-grade hip socket, but I can get pretty extended.

    Flexed-hip stretches (combined with hamstring, like with toe touches) is also really helpful.

    Start building up quad/glute strength once the pain goes away by walking up shallow inclines (like a treadmill will allow). On the elliptical, your running/jogging stance is more lateral (legs kept apart) than on a treadmill (because your legs can pass closer to each other on each stride). You'll want that more natural stride during your recovery.
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    May 01, 2015 3:58 AM GMT
    Had it as a kid. Had a cousin with it. And my nephew had it. Had no idea it could occur later in life. I thought it was a disruption of the formation of cartilage.

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    Yeah, Mayo says occurs in children as bones grow. So in childhood we call it Osgood-Schlatter. But at your age we call it arthritis. Welcome to the club.

    My cousin had it the worst. Her bones grew so fast she wound up in a body cast. Mine was not as bad but for a few weeks at summer camp I lost control of my leg below the knee and all the counselors thought I was faking it for attention. But I was scared. I had to swing my leg into bed at night because it wouldn't just lift on its own. Finally they sent me to the doc. I don't recall how long that period lasted. But I remember having symptoms for years.

    I recall some painful periods but not as bad as my nephew had or maybe he just complained more. Mostly though it just kept me from running but I don't recall a time that it ever stopped me from swimming so I never got into running even after that. My nephew also stopped swimming though I tried to encourage him to continue with his swims but he stopped. As a little kid I thought he had some potential. Also I used to water ski at camp and I don't recall it stopping me from that either but maybe for periods it did. So mostly it was just annoying.

    Check with a doc but I doubt that's what you've got, simply by age. I'd be real careful with stretching. If you've got just pain on the side of the knee, that could be a ligament sprain.

    Or if there's swelling at the knee, that could be something torn. With Osgood, it isn't simply a swelling, it's a growing of a bony structure, not a swelling of soft tissue.

    PS. just thought of something else it could be because about a year or two back I wound up with something at my elbow that was painful as hell for a while. And I know of two other people with that. An aspect of arthritis is that sometimes you get these nodules which is a boney growth. Painful a hell while they grow but then the pain stops. Or at least mine did.

    Yeah, google image knee nodule and if yours look like that, then it's arthritis. When it happened near my elbow, not visible unless I move my arm just so and point it out, I couldn't even lift a glass of water. After a few months it was fine and I got full use back. No pain there now at all.
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    May 01, 2015 4:06 AM GMT
    From reading the entry on the www.mayoclinic.org it doesn't sound to me like you have Osgood-Schlatter; they're quite specific that it happens during childhood while you're growing. If your doctor diagnosed it as such you might want to seek a second opinion. The wikipedia entry has more information than the mayoclinic site does, and it does leave the door open for it occurring in adults.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osgood-Schlatter_disease
  • BuggEyedSprit...

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    May 01, 2015 2:10 PM GMT
    theantijock saidHad it as a kid. Had a cousin with it. And my nephew had it. Had no idea it could occur later in life. I thought it was a disruption of the formation of cartilage.

    ::::googling::::

    Yeah, Mayo says occurs in children as bones grow. So in childhood we call it Osgood-Schlatter. But at your age we call it arthritis. Welcome to the club.

    My cousin had it the worst. Her bones grew so fast she wound up in a body cast. Mine was not as bad but for a few weeks at summer camp I lost control of my leg below the knee and all the counselors thought I was faking it for attention. But I was scared. I had to swing my leg into bed at night because it wouldn't just lift on its own. Finally they sent me to the doc. I don't recall how long that period lasted. But I remember having symptoms for years.

    I recall some painful periods but not as bad as my nephew had or maybe he just complained more. Mostly though it just kept me from running but I don't recall a time that it ever stopped me from swimming so I never got into running even after that. My nephew also stopped swimming though I tried to encourage him to continue with his swims but he stopped. As a little kid I thought he had some potential. Also I used to water ski at camp and I don't recall it stopping me from that either but maybe for periods it did. So mostly it was just annoying.

    Check with a doc but I doubt that's what you've got, simply by age. I'd be real careful with stretching. If you've got just pain on the side of the knee, that could be a ligament sprain.

    Or if there's swelling at the knee, that could be something torn. With Osgood, it isn't simply a swelling, it's a growing of a bony structure, not a swelling of soft tissue.

    PS. just thought of something else it could be because about a year or two back I wound up with something at my elbow that was painful as hell for a while. And I know of two other people with that. An aspect of arthritis is that sometimes you get these nodules which is a boney growth. Painful a hell while they grow but then the pain stops. Or at least mine did.

    Yeah, google image knee nodule and if yours look like that, then it's arthritis. When it happened near my elbow, not visible unless I move my arm just so and point it out, I couldn't even lift a glass of water. After a few months it was fine and I got full use back. No pain there now at all.






    Thanks, for the indepth info! Right knee is worse than the left and have been icing alot. Time to start with the stretching!

    Thanks, again!
  • madsexy

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    May 01, 2015 2:20 PM GMT
    I had it when I was a teenager . . . we didn't have a name for it then that I knew of almost 20 years ago or we didn't in the Netherlands and only when I developed a recurrence as an adult after some strenuous training did the reference to that childhood "syndrome" (at the time) come up. Of course I powered through it and continued to play soccer and swim and run and was very fortunate it didn't complicate. UNTIL a few years ago - about 7 years after the adult flare-up - when I played baseball in Chicago and then it was called Osgood Schlatter and I was admonished for my prior non-attention! icon_eek.gif Anyway the good news was that mine went away and I've had no problem since. I was watching in case when I started CrossFit a year ago it aggravated it but so far so good. Good luck - sorry yours is worse!
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    May 02, 2015 2:18 AM GMT
    BuggEyedSprite saidAnyone else tormented by this below the knee injury?! Never had it as a child, but came on with a vengeance 6 months, ago. I've been icing and stretching, but is literally painfully slow to recover, if at all.

    I apparently developed mine after doing years of massage, pushing with my legs for deep tissue. Then, I begain doing 'air' squats' at my overnight job to raise the heart rate and stay awake, too.

    Bingo!


    Need some words of advice, sympathy, admonishment, etc.

    Thanks.
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    I'm skeptical that you have OSD given your age. Without examining you or better localizing your pain (beyond 'below the knee'), any number of other issues could be at play -- patellofemoral pain syndrome, pes anserine bursitis, plica syndrome, patellar tendinopathy, or even a proximal tibial stress injury.

    I'd see a professional to know for certain and get recommendations on how to proceed. Just food for thought.
  • LJay

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    May 02, 2015 10:25 PM GMT
    Sounds like it is off to the orthopedist and physical therapist with you. Sorry you are having the problem but seeing the pros will give you a better chance of recovery and perhaps also prevent further injury.
  • musclmed

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    May 03, 2015 6:06 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidFrom reading the entry on the www.mayoclinic.org it doesn't sound to me like you have Osgood-Schlatter; they're quite specific that it happens during childhood while you're growing. If your doctor diagnosed it as such you might want to seek a second opinion. The wikipedia entry has more information than the mayoclinic site does, and it does leave the door open for it occurring in adults.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osgood-Schlatter_disease


    Its possible but unlikely. Gymfloor medicine is rarely correct.

    You should try an anti inflammatory and rest. Rest mean not working out.

    Working out is defined by the exercise not needed for activities of daily living.

    2 weeks at least for any lower extremity exercise.

    Naproxen is a good anti inflammatory over the counter.
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    May 03, 2015 3:27 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    Its possible but unlikely. Gymfloor medicine is rarely correct.

    You should try an anti inflammatory and rest. Rest mean not working out.

    Working out is defined by the exercise not needed for activities of daily living.

    2 weeks at least for any lower extremity exercise.

    Naproxen is a good anti inflammatory over the counter.


    If there's tendon injury, I'd stay away from NSAIDs as prostaglandins (inflammatory mediators) actually play an important role in tendon healing. Sure, if you're in unbearable pain, take something but I'd stick to acetaminophen as it is not anti-inflmmatory.

    And the cardinal signs of inflammation are dolor (pain), calor (warmth), rubor (redness) and tumor (swelling) -- if all you have is pain, that's not inflammation so why take an anti-inflammatory?
  • BuggEyedSprit...

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    Jun 08, 2015 4:53 PM GMT
    Just did 9.2 miles on my rollerblades and feel good. I'm hoping the lateral attention will help retain muscle strength AND combat my boredom!

    More as this goes along...icon_cool.gif
  • BuggEyedSprit...

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    Jun 11, 2015 4:55 PM GMT
    Second 9.2 m; feel great with occasional icing! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 18, 2015 7:27 AM GMT
    Haven't read all the posts, so could already have been said...

    Osgood Schlatter's is a growth plate problem, so it's highly unlikely you have that (tho if you're taking growth hormones it could be considered?).

    Have you thought about bursitis? There is a bursa under the tendon that can get inflamed if (a) tendon becomes inflamed and therefore larger (b) you press down a lot with knee - also called "carpet layer's knee", tho possibly "housemaid's Knee".

    Lots of icing/cooling if it does get inflamed. Also limit leg exercises if getting bad - no point in trying to work through it.

    Used to be involved in injury work, but it's been a while so sorry I can't remember more tips at this point.

    Good luck tho
  • adanac

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    Jun 20, 2015 1:33 AM GMT
    Can't be Osgood Schlatter's... you can only get that as a child.