House GOP Wants to Eviscerate NASA Earth Sciences in New Budget

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    May 01, 2015 2:12 AM GMT
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/04/30/nasa_budget_gop_committee_wants_to_slash_and_burn_earth_sciences.html

    A passel of anti-science global warming denying GOP representatives have put together a funding authorization bill for NASA that at best cuts more than $300 million from the agency’s current Earth science budget.

    At worst? More than $500 million.
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    May 01, 2015 2:21 AM GMT
    I would agree - and put the $500 million into the EPA
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    May 01, 2015 2:33 AM GMT
    hey if taking pictures of some nebula 2000 light years away was so valuable, let the private sector do it and put the $500 million into the EPA where it would actually do some good
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    May 01, 2015 2:34 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidI would agree - and put the $500 million into the EPA
    And our nation's aging, deteriorating infrastructure.
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    May 01, 2015 2:36 AM GMT
    yeah, most of NASA is like welfare for Cal Tech grads (and I used to be a big NASA supporter, not any more)
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    May 01, 2015 2:48 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidyeah, most of NASA is like welfare for Cal Tech grads (and I used to be a big NASA supporter, not any more)
    We need to go after an even bigger welfare cheat, the NFL. I used to be an avid football fan but because of the greedy owners and coddled players wanting more free handouts from the taxpayers, I say fuck that.
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    May 01, 2015 2:57 AM GMT
    What House Republicans are really trying to punish, and prevent, is scientific research that has been tracking global warming. Which runs contrary to their political ideology. Never mind that all the science around the world confirms global warming.

    A perfect example of the head-in-the-sand approach. If we don't see it, and it isn't reported, it doesn't exist. So that we can OK corporate Republican Party political donors continuing to pollute the environment without regulation. Because there's no pollution if it isn't being tracked & reported, as nobody will be aware of it.

    Pollution? What Pollution? What risk to the environment? Can you prove it?

    Well, no, not after you've gutted the agencies that track it.
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    May 01, 2015 2:58 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidI would agree - and put the $500 million into the EPA

    ummm... those same Republicans want to totally eliminate the EPA.
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    May 01, 2015 3:10 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    tj85016 saidI would agree - and put the $500 million into the EPA

    ummm... those same Republicans want to totally eliminate the EPA.


    well, I'm an ex-engineer and a past NASA supporter, most of what NASA does now is a complete waste of time compared to what the EPA could actually do
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    May 01, 2015 4:54 AM GMT
    IAmazeMyself saidRepublicans against science. What's new?


    You ever figured out why you're SO obvious?
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    May 01, 2015 5:07 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    IAmazeMyself said
    Republicans against science. What's new?

    You ever figured out why you're SO obvious?

    Obvious is as obvious does. Mainstream Republicans oppose any science that isn't supported by the Bible. Which is to say, no science at all. And that's a fact, Jack.
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    May 01, 2015 5:13 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    IAmazeMyself said
    Republicans against science. What's new?

    You ever figured out why you're SO obvious?

    Obvious is as obvious does. Mainstream Republicans oppose any science that isn't supported by the Bible. Which is to say, no science at all. And that's a fact, Jack.


    You didn't quite get it, did you?

    But back to your point. I'm pretty much "mainstream Republican" and I'm agnostic. Go figure!
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    May 01, 2015 5:16 AM GMT
    I've spent many years working for NASA and other years working with the EPA.

    Both organizations have people who are so smart that it's scary. Both organizations have tards who are so stupid that it's scary. The difference is that at the EPA, the tards are in charge. icon_eek.gif



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    May 01, 2015 5:22 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    But back to your point. I'm pretty much "mainstream Republican" and I'm agnostic. Go figure!

    Better not let the other Republicans know that - you'll get tossed out of the "big tent", which is really more like an umbrella.
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    May 01, 2015 5:27 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    But back to your point. I'm pretty much "mainstream Republican" and I'm agnostic. Go figure!

    Better not let the other Republicans know that - you'll get tossed out of the "big tent", which is really more like an umbrella.


    I get a lil hunch that you would prefer going at it again? Am I correct?

    And frankly I really can't think of any democrats that I know back here in what's the 11th most conservative county in the country so I know lots and lots and republicans. Some are religious, but far from all.
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    May 01, 2015 5:29 AM GMT
    And btw you didn't quite get it, did you? From up above.

    I was giving a little congrats to PresentMind on his 100th new sock screen name.
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    May 01, 2015 5:47 AM GMT
    theantijock saidHouse GOP Wants to Eviscerate NASA Earth Sciences in New Budget
    Of course they do!

    How else will they be able to convince the public of their erroneous climate assumptions if they don't eliminate the competition?
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    May 01, 2015 7:18 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    theantijock saidHouse GOP Wants to Eviscerate NASA Earth Sciences in New Budget
    Of course they do!

    How else will they be able to convince the public of their erroneous climate assumptions if they don't eliminate the competition?


    riiiight, as if NASA is the sole organization in the world doing studies on climate change
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    May 01, 2015 11:57 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    IAmazeMyself said
    Republicans against science. What's new?

    You ever figured out why you're SO obvious?

    Obvious is as obvious does. Mainstream Republicans oppose any science that isn't supported by the Bible. Which is to say, no science at all. And that's a fact, Jack.
    Art that is only right wingers in the GOP that detest science. Not all republicans act this way. Just the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs hate science because it proves all their Old Testament based beliefs as fairy tales.
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    May 01, 2015 3:39 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    Art_Deco said
    tj85016 saidI would agree - and put the $500 million into the EPA

    ummm... those same Republicans want to totally eliminate the EPA.


    well, I'm an ex-engineer and a past NASA supporter, most of what NASA does now is a complete waste of time compared to what the EPA could actually do


    But what NASA might do could wind up avoiding what the EPA might otherwise have to do or improve how they do: new understandings can lead to new anything. We never know where we'll find discovery nor where will it bring us. While the lack of discovery leads to the lack of innovation and the lack of invention.

    http://www.nasa.gov/offices/oct/partnership/tech_transfer.html
    The National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 and a series of subsequent legislation recognizes transfer of Federally owned or originated technology to be a national priority and the mission of each Federal agency. Accordingly, NASA is obliged to provide for the widest practicable dissemination of information concerning results of NASA's activities. The legislation specifically mandates that each Federal agency have a formal technology transfer program, and take an active role in transferring technology to the private sector and state and local governments for the purposes of commercial and other application of the technology for the national benefit.


    mindgarden saidI've spent many years working for NASA and other years working with the EPA.

    Both organizations have people who are so smart that it's scary. Both organizations have tards who are so stupid that it's scary. The difference is that at the EPA, the tards are in charge. icon_eek.gif


    I've probably mentioned but one of my cousins' uncles was not just a NASA guy but at one time had invented some part of some gyro whatever thingy (that's the technical term for it) used on an Air Force One. Super fucking smart guy. Had a complete mental collapse at one point though and never fully recovered. Ended life driving a taxi. A nice guy but boring as hell. We had him over every year for Thanxgiving. Fortunately we had another real boring guy there so we'd put them together which worked out well.

    My cousin was deeply hurt by his passing. He was her mom's brother and her mom was my very favorite aunt.

    But I've always loved NASA independent of that, from when I was a little kid thrilled with the moon landing (I did a classroom presentation on it) to a few years ago witnessing one of the last shuttle launches, I think it was 2nd to last. Lasted just a few moments but what a thrill to see.

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    theantijock saidHouse GOP Wants to Eviscerate NASA Earth Sciences in New Budget
    Of course they do!

    How else will they be able to convince the public of their erroneous climate assumptions if they don't eliminate the competition?


    That's actually what I was thinking when I posted the thread, noting also that it was the earth sciences section. Even if not to eliminate, maybe even to punish or warn. Call it a hunch, but I suspect their motivation was not just a matter of budgeting. Budgeting for them could have been simply a means of communication, not of a matter of doling but of dealing.
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    May 01, 2015 5:10 PM GMT
    IAmazeMyself saidMaybe there aren't that many rightwing antiscience nutjobs in the GOP but they do control the agenda. The sane Republicans may be numerous but they stay silent. This is what I have seen for the past 20+ years.


    True, I even know one of the calvary Baptist types. Super nice guy and he knows his shit about religion. The rest of us right wing rednecks at our Thursday night Santa Monica car hangout just are sick of hearing it and do anything to avoid a conversation about religion. Most of us are agnostic or religion-lite. All of us are right wingers.

    I know the religious right get all the news and attention, but I sure don't know where these folks are. I sure don't know any other than the one I mentioned above. So yeah, we're not cut from the same cloth..... Far from it.
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    May 01, 2015 7:05 PM GMT
    ^^

    Santa Monica lol a real bastion of religious conservatism (I used to live there, and Hermosa Bch) - try going out to Riverside County or parts of Orange - or Oklahoma or Missouri - there you will se some real nut cases
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    May 01, 2015 7:29 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidhey if taking pictures of some nebula 2000 light years away was so valuable, let the private sector do it and put the $500 million into the EPA where it would actually do some good



    lol, it's Earth Sciences Tj. And I (and a slew of other people) know exactly why they're trying to cut the legs off of it.

    Any guesses? lol.
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    May 01, 2015 7:31 PM GMT
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    IAmazeMyself saidMaybe there aren't that many rightwing antiscience nutjobs in the GOP but they do control the agenda. The sane Republicans may be numerous but they stay silent. This is what I have seen for the past 20+ years.


    True, I even know one of the calvary Baptist types. Super nice guy and he knows his shit about religion. The rest of us right wing rednecks at our Thursday night Santa Monica car hangout just are sick of hearing it and do anything to avoid a conversation about religion. Most of us are agnostic or religion-lite. All of us are right wingers.

    I know the religious right get all the news and attention, but I sure don't know where these folks are. I sure don't know any other than the one I mentioned above. So yeah, we're not cut from the same cloth..... Far from it.


    You don't know 'where these folks are'?????????? They're on TV, for starters, and you keep voting for them.
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    May 01, 2015 8:18 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    Santa Monica lol a real bastion of religious conservatism (I used to live there, and Hermosa Bch) - try going out to Riverside County or parts of Orange - or Oklahoma or Missouri - there you will se some real nut cases


    Big contingent of about 30 true gun toten Right Wingers though.

    Same applies to the old car guys around here. Same applies to the commercial RE business, which is almost all republican as would be expected.

    Except for my friend out there, I don't know ANY of the type I read about so often here. But yeah, If I found them, we probably wouldn't get along very well.