Race Relations - Better or Worse?

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    May 03, 2015 4:11 PM GMT
    I was having a conversation with someone yesterday who feels strongly that recent events in Ferguson, Baltimore, etc indicate that race relations in the U.S. are worse than ever before. I feel that these issues are not new or worse than before, but rather just getting more attention as of late because of these high-profile tragedies.

    What do you think? Are race relations in the U.S. better or worse now than they were pre-Obama? How about 10 years ago?
  • tj85016

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    May 03, 2015 4:16 PM GMT
    as a 57 year old who grew up in northern New Jersey, school in Philadelphia, lived in Buffalo and Atlanta for a bit, some time living near LA and Phoenix and traveled a lot (a lot of time in Chicago and Ft Worth, TX) - I'd say race relations are a little bit better than 30 years ago - not much, but better
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    May 03, 2015 5:03 PM GMT
    Technology is better. Between body cams and police car cams and individual camera phones they can't sweep murder under the rug.

    I think more racists are getting caught.
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    May 03, 2015 5:47 PM GMT
    I believe it is better for certain demographics, such as Asians. But I think black racial relation remains problematic.
  • peterstrong

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    May 03, 2015 5:50 PM GMT
    black men didnt kill each other in as great of numbers prior to the 1970's - currently they kill each other and innocent bystanders to the tune of 6 to 7k per year. Cops kill about 400 some people per year, almost 100 of those are black victims / this baltimore death at the hands of the police was horrendous, 3 black police officers were intricately involved in this homocide of Freddie Gray.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-gray-officers-actions/index.html

    The riots for his death are like road rage, misdirected anger at the lesser offense - if black lives mattered more to black people, they would fix the problem of black men killing each other and innocent bystanders in such greater numbers per year

    here is one of the many heart breaking examples of innocent bystanders killed by young black gang bangers in their crossfire
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/29/hadiya-pendleton-chicago_n_4686672.html


  • peterstrong

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    May 03, 2015 6:00 PM GMT
    pazzy, it was a black cop who drove the van without buckling Gray in - as is required by law.

    he knew he was going to be injuring that boy by driving him like that, which is why he is now being charged with homocide.



    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/time-young-black-men-murder-14-times-more-than-young-white-men/

    This article was written by an African American professor

  • peterstrong

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    May 03, 2015 6:07 PM GMT
    neither do u - because he was not ordered to drive him without buckling him in - he consciously did not buckle him in even after stopping and checking on him several times



    the riots are also like the homophobic christian right wingers saying gay marriage would destroy traditional marriage. Cops should be killing no one who is not directly threatening that police officer's own survival or that of innocent bystanders, just as the survival of any young black person today is far more threatened by a young black male gang banger, than it is by the police / misdirected anger at the lesser threat, fueled & stoked by media at people who don't read and think enough.

  • peterstrong

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    May 03, 2015 6:27 PM GMT
    would u rather the police don't go into black communities ?

    i have heard angry comments like that, from people who have been victims of violent crime.....

    " Police should stay out of their part of town and let them all kill each other "

    is that what u want bro ?


    Personally i think people should be marching to end the drug war / that is the most racist thing happening in our country right now.


    Read about the civil war in Rwanda in the 90's, if u want proof of how the media is responsible for inciting fear and causing the death of 500K people by machetes.
    The media is often not the friend of civilization.

    http://en.wikipedia.or/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide


    that was some very serious black on black violence caused by the media.

    i agree we in the USA still have a long way to go to getting race relations right, but can u site an African country u would rather be living in right now ?



  • peterstrong

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    May 03, 2015 6:49 PM GMT
    agreed the video u posted is outrageous and if that had been a black guy - he would have been shot dead immediately


  • peterstrong

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    May 03, 2015 6:52 PM GMT



    this is happening while DEA agents have been having sex parties since 2001 paid for by the drug cartels

  • peterstrong

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    May 03, 2015 7:03 PM GMT
    it is changing dude, as we speak......

    http://www.dailydot.com/politics/hillary-clinton-criminal-justice-reform-speech-body-cameras/

    and this ......



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    May 03, 2015 7:08 PM GMT
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/25/us/us-census-interracial/
    The number of interracial couples in the United States has reached an all-time high, with one in every 10 American opposite-sex married couples saying they're of mixed races, according to the most recent Census data released Wednesday.

    In 2000, that figure was about 7%.

    The rate of interracial partnerships also is much higher among the unmarried, the 2010 Census showed.

    About 18% of opposite-sex unmarried couples and 21% of same-sex unmarried partners identify themselves as interracial.


    So, clearly there is more social acceptances in race relations. Even over the last 10 years.

    Perception is sometimes what's in your face: not the interracial sex in bedrooms but the riots on TV.

    Protest is nothing to be ashamed of. Rather, be it honorable and true, of good cause, be it appropriate and timely, protest is prologue to enhancement not portent to decline. It is a great source of American pride.

    That we exercise the Freedom of Speech is not indicative that things are getting worse. That we hear voices cry out is a sign of things getting better.
  • peterstrong

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    May 03, 2015 7:11 PM GMT
    i am for reparations to all arrested for using and dealing marijuana, as long as it was non-violent.
    Marijuana was recently cited to be at least 80 billion per year in underground economics.

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    May 03, 2015 8:04 PM GMT
    RoRich saidHonestly, from taking an Ethnic Studies class and the main focus is minorities in the US. I don't think it's getting better or worse.

    I believe it's something that's going to have to vanish over time. From what I've been learning, all the behaviors such as, "profiling", "othering", "racism", "discrimination", "white privilege", etc. Is just something that has developed and acted on from history and the media.

    I can't really say too much on the issue because I have been fortunate in life not to experience it much or on a "moderate to intense scale" level (I have lived in nice integrated suburban areas in Texas and went to great schools). But I strongly believe that until the millennials are the dominant generation at an older age, in power, and in charge of running the country, racial issues may begin to significantly but slowly deteriorate. Or if we continue as we are now with the riots and violence and the media exploiting that who knows.

    It's all to me just a hardwire in our brains because it's been around since the birth of the country. People aren't naturally or intentionally evil and hateful, it's just how society has been. Laws aren't going to change the mentality only individuals on a personal level over time, will. But this my educated opinion.

    I don't know at this rate, Canada is on my list for future homes along with a few of my friends.


    As somewhat of a sideline to Baltimore and not to detract from the institutional racism conversation but, how are race relations faring with respect to white and non-black ethnic groups? And how are non-white race relations doing?
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    May 03, 2015 8:05 PM GMT
    I would say that american race relations has improved, but it varies more based on class. Among middle class americans, race relations has improved a lot. For lower class members, not so much.
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    May 03, 2015 8:09 PM GMT
    I would say overall things are better. Incidences just get more attention due to technology. Which I believe is a good thing. It will bring awareness which we can all use. It's well know that in times of change things usually get a little worse before they get better.
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    May 03, 2015 8:17 PM GMT
    pazzy said
    peterstrong saidblack men didnt kill each other in as great of numbers prior to the 1970's - currently they kill each other and innocent bystanders to the tune of 5 to 6k per year. Cops kill about 300 some per year / this baltimore death at the hands of the police was horrendous, 3 black police officers were intricately involved in this homocide of Freddie Gray.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-gray-officers-actions/index.html


    exactly proof of what i'm talking about in the above.

    white people kill each other in great numbers too. it's a known fact that intraracial murders happen in higher numbers than interracial murders. don't see you talking about that though. anyway to talk about what's wrong with black people and what's right with whites. SMH. anyway to dodge the REAL issue in question with is racism which is systematic. case in point, how the police targets black people at a higher rate than their white counterparts as well as how penalties are handed out. explains why there's so many black people incarcerated at a disportionate rate compared to whites.

    if you're going to go there, at least know what you're talking about.


    Here's the facts off wikipedia... and the US Department of Justice,

    Blacks (13.5% of the population) accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008.
    Whites (77% of the population) = 45.3% of murders.

    The rate for blacks who murder is almost 8 times higher than whites

    The black victim rate 6 times higher than the white victim rate.

    Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks.

    So let's discuss the 45 ton elephant in the room instead of the flies around his butt hole.

    13.5% of population = 52.5% or murders.
    77.7% of population = 45.3% of murders
    = a 8x disparity in murderers and a 6x disparity in victims.

    7% of murdered blacks are victims of non blacks.
    16% of murdered whites are victims of non whites.
    = a 2.25x disparity rate of whites killed by non whites over blacks killed by non blacks.

    2014 study says US police shoot estimated 400 per year of which 96 are black. http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2013/jul/17/tweets/look-statistic-blacks-and-murder/

    Annual average black murders @ 8000 minus 7% killed by non blacks = 7440 killed by blacks.
    means
    77 blacks are killed by blacks per every 1 black killed by black or white police

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    There's the 45 ton elephant in the room

    The Department of Justice and Florida State University figures can be computed to give a 75:1 ratio of blacks killed by blacks to blacks killed by police with no race statistics kept.

    Even if all 400 people killed by police each year are black that only changes the ratio to approx 75:4 for blacks killed by blacks to blacks killed by police.
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    May 03, 2015 10:22 PM GMT
    Race relations are piss poor in the US for a variety of reasons:

    1) The media is dominantly controlled by Jews. Unfortunately most Jews have a negatively slanted version of black people that they keep perpetuating on the news and on film. For every one positive representation of African Americans or any other non Caucasian ethnicity there are a thousand negatively portrayed interpretations and characters.

    2) In Canada ethnicities are much more integrated into society because everyone is respected. Not so in the US. It's much more segregated in the US. There's this feeling that one group has to suppress another just because they are different.

    3) As a Canadian I have so much in common with my North American Cousins and because of that the differences are much more prominent. If you see the Canadian interpretation of different ethnicities it's always much more positively done. Differences are highlighted and discussed. In the US the message is to degrade anyone who is different and promote views of a select few.





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    May 03, 2015 11:12 PM GMT
    it is unfortunately, what it is....I guess it is up to the people to decide what kind of shit they wish to wallow in....
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    May 03, 2015 11:25 PM GMT
    canadian_stud saidRace relations are piss poor in the US for a variety of reasons:

    1) The media is dominantly controlled by Jews. Unfortunately most Jews have a negatively slanted version of black people....


    Oh look, how cute. The anti-Semite is speaking on race relations. How about this for race relations: why don't you go fuck yourself.
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    May 03, 2015 11:42 PM GMT
    southbeach: all due respect, and I'm in no way employed to represent or solicit on his behalf, but I fail to see where being hidden, photo shopp'd or otherwise has any bearing on a person's input....that doesn't, nor should it enter into the equation...either the argument is valid or it isn't....

    post script: @at Canadian Stud, you blew your ass out of the water with point one....if you want to identify yourself with anyone, quit using other Canadians, of which I am proudly a member....you're just a fucking Nazi.....and I'm happy to make you an adversary. (hey, I'm not even Jewish, I just hate fascist assholes)

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    May 03, 2015 11:58 PM GMT
    canadian_stud saidRace relations are piss poor in the US for a variety of reasons:

    1) The media is dominantly controlled by Jews. Unfortunately most Jews have a negatively slanted version of black people that they keep perpetuating on the news and on film.

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    This is gold.
  • buddycat

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    May 04, 2015 1:00 AM GMT
    I was not following what went on in Baltimore but I don't think rioting and throwing stones at police is how MLK would have done things. Civil obedience has it's place when dealing with oppression but violence is not the way to go.
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    May 04, 2015 1:02 AM GMT
    canadian_stud saidRace relations are piss poor in the US for a variety of reasons:

    1) The media is dominantly controlled by Jews. Unfortunately most Jews have a negatively slanted version of black people that they keep perpetuating on the news and on film. For every one positive representation of African Americans or any other non Caucasian ethnicity there are a thousand negatively portrayed interpretations and characters.

    2) In Canada ethnicities are much more integrated into society because everyone is respected. Not so in the US. It's much more segregated in the US. There's this feeling that one group has to suppress another just because they are different.

    3) As a Canadian I have so much in common with my North American Cousins and because of that the differences are much more prominent. If you see the Canadian interpretation of different ethnicities it's always much more positively done. Differences are highlighted and discussed. In the US the message is to degrade anyone who is different and promote views of a select few.







    Are you f-ing kidding us with point 1) above? I didn't read the sarcasm, but you're being sarcastic or satirical, right? You're not ACTUALLY saying something that antisemetic, are you?

    I do remember strongly disagreeing with your RACIST analysis in another thread. You're not this stupid are you?
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    May 04, 2015 3:34 AM GMT

    I do remember strongly disagreeing with your RACIST analysis in another thread. You're not this stupid are you?[/quote]

    That's because your as ugly as you are stupid. I guess you can read so you might be a tad uglier then stupid.
    I have nothing against Jews and in fact admire them. I did not mention anything that Jews themselves do not have a problem admitting to. They do not have the best relationship with African Americans and they have a dominant presence in the media. There's nothing wrong with that. It is what is.

    This is an interesting read written by a Jewish writer on the subject of Hollywood's dominance by a Jewish presence.
    (I do not think your going to accuse him of racism. Atleast not if you understand what racism is)

    http://rense.com/general21/bet.htm

    In addition here's a good read on the relationship between African Americans and Jews and why Jews have their perceptions of African Americans.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0003_0_03042.html