Baltimore: An indictment against Democrats and their liberal ideology of pouring in money

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    May 05, 2015 2:52 AM GMT
    For the past 48 years, Democrats have controlled the city of Baltimore.

    During that time, the city's population has fallen 30% and the poverty situation has grown more intense.

    During the last five years, the federal government has poured billions of dollars into the poor areas of Baltimore … stimulus money.

    Total taxpayer money given: $1.8 billion.

    One poor neighborhood, Mid-Town Belvedere, got a whopping $838 million.

    That includes $467 million to education, $206 million to the environment, $24 million to "the family," and $15 million to transportation.

    The result: Not much improvement.

    http://www.billoreilly.com/b/Another-Round-of-Why-Politicians-Will-Not-Tell-You-the-Truth/782836169594361973.html
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 05, 2015 3:14 AM GMT
    The longtime monolithic rule of the Democratic Party has ruined not only Baltimore but also most other older northern cities. It was not just racial and ethnic animus that started the serious urban decline, it was also the failed urban policies and crooked back room dealing of the Democratic Party that sent most of these once proud and prosperous cities into the sewer. Between their pandering to corrupt organized labor and the unmotivated urban poor and their costly silver bullet redevelopment projects, the democratic blue has become a lethal poison for older northern cities. Look what happened to Gary, Flint, Detroit, Camden thanks to the tax and spend, incompetent Democratic Party. The sad thing is most residents of these older northern cities either don't bother to vote or are blind sycophants to the democratic blue. Either way, the older northern city is fucked. Most older first ring suburbs around these cities are in the exact same boat.
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    May 05, 2015 3:26 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThe longtime monolithic rule of the Democratic Party has ruined not only Baltimore but also most other older northern cities. It was not just racial and ethnic animus that started the serious urban decline, it was also the failed urban policies and crooked back room dealing of the Democratic Party that sent most of these once proud and prosperous cities into the sewer. Between their pandering to corrupt organized labor and the unmotivated urban poor and their costly silver bullet redevelopment projects, the democratic blue has become a lethal poison for older northern cities. Look what happened to Gary, Flint, Detroit, Camden thanks to the tax and spend, incompetent Democratic Party. The sad thing is most residents of these older northern cities either don't bother to vote or are blind sycophants to the democratic blue. Either way, the older northern city is fucked. Most older first ring suburbs around these cities are in the exact same boat.

    Good points. I think many of the poor could have been motivated if it were not for the Democratic ideology that encourages dependency on government. I feel more sympathy than condemnation for them. Nevertheless, the Democrats let them down as they lined their own pockets or incompetently squandered the billions that poured into the city.
  • musclmed

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    May 05, 2015 4:26 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidFor the past 48 years, Democrats have controlled the city of Baltimore.

    During that time, the city's population has fallen 30% and the poverty situation has grown more intense.

    During the last five years, the federal government has poured billions of dollars into the poor areas of Baltimore … stimulus money.

    Total taxpayer money given: $1.8 billion.

    One poor neighborhood, Mid-Town Belvedere, got a whopping $838 million.

    That includes $467 million to education, $206 million to the environment, $24 million to "the family," and $15 million to transportation.

    The result: Not much improvement.

    http://www.billoreilly.com/b/Another-Round-of-Why-Politicians-Will-Not-Tell-You-the-Truth/782836169594361973.html


    2008 census data says population is 4000.

    lets pretend it is 10,000 people. That would mean 84,000 for each individual. It would have been more productive .

    Cannot wait for the next request for a stimulus or help.

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    May 05, 2015 4:41 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    socalfitness saidFor the past 48 years, Democrats have controlled the city of Baltimore.

    During that time, the city's population has fallen 30% and the poverty situation has grown more intense.

    During the last five years, the federal government has poured billions of dollars into the poor areas of Baltimore … stimulus money.

    Total taxpayer money given: $1.8 billion.

    One poor neighborhood, Mid-Town Belvedere, got a whopping $838 million.

    That includes $467 million to education, $206 million to the environment, $24 million to "the family," and $15 million to transportation.

    The result: Not much improvement.

    http://www.billoreilly.com/b/Another-Round-of-Why-Politicians-Will-Not-Tell-You-the-Truth/782836169594361973.html


    2008 census data says population is 4000.

    lets pretend it is 10,000 people. That would mean 84,000 for each individual. It would have been more productive .

    Cannot wait for the next request for a stimulus or help.


    Excellent point. Just like the 2008 stimulus to create "shovel-ready" jobs. (Obama Jokes at Jobs Council: 'Shovel-Ready Was Not as Shovel-Ready as We Expected' ). With all the money spent and the few jobs created, each person could have gotten a big six-figure check, but they didn't. The unions and Democratic politicians are comfortable, and they oppose anything like firing incompetent teachers. They all line their pockets and the poor and students get virtually nothing. And that other thread, woodsmen quoting Krugman, continue to peddle crap to try and hide the picture.
  • bobbobbob

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    May 05, 2015 7:54 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    With all the money spent and the few jobs created, each person could have gotten a big six-figure check, but they didn't. The unions and Democratic politicians are comfortable, and they oppose anything like firing incompetent teachers. They all line their pockets and the poor and students get virtually nothing. And that other thread, woodsmen quoting Krugman, continue to peddle crap to try and hide the picture.


    I just came from the thread by woodman you're talking about. I posted this to give a better perspective on the matter. I didn't even begin to elaborate on the ways projects supposedly designed to alleviate poverty are also designed to greatly enrich the people (cronies and the party faithfuls) That's another subject for another thread.

    Here's an article I read 3 years ago that will add some insight on the subject.

    9/13/2012 From Forbes.com
    If The US Spends $550 Billion On Poverty How Can There Still Be Poverty In The US?

    The nation’s official poverty rate in 2011 was 15.0 percent, with 46.2 million people in poverty. After three consecutive years of increases, neither the poverty rate nor the number of people in poverty were statistically different from the 2010 estimates.

    Medicaid is largely health care for the poor. This costs, in 2010 at least it did, some $400 billion. SNAP, the renamed food stamps, cost some $70 billion in the same year. The EITC handed out $55 billion. Add those sums up and we’ve got $525 billion being spent on the alleviation of poverty. Which is close enough, given the level of accuracy being used here, to have entirely abolished poverty in the United States. If we’d simply given the cash to poor people then there would no longer be any poor people.

    It’s actually really strange. The US spends half a trillion dollars a year on this problem. That’s $500,000,000,000 and more in reducing poverty. And the way it’s counted is that poverty has not been reduced by one, single, solitary person.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/09/13/if-the-us-spends-550-billion-on-poverty-how-can-there-still-be-poverty-in-the-us/?&_suid=143080852201501042092286515981

    He makes some good points except for the sentence I emphasized in red. The problem with persistent poverty is never solved by throwing money at it and turning away expecting those in poverty to break age free of old self-impoverishing "hand to mouth" mentality that keeps them in poverty. You need only look at what happens to many of them after winning lotteries to understand this.

    He only counts Medicaid, SNAP (food stamps) and Earned Income Tax Credits in his figures and doesn't include Social Security, SSI, and many other state and federal programs that are dedicated to helping people out of poverty. Had he his figures would have been considerably higher.
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 05, 2015 2:27 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidFor the past 48 years, Democrats have controlled the city of Baltimore.

    During that time, the city's population has fallen 30% and the poverty situation has grown more intense.

    During the last five years, the federal government has poured billions of dollars into the poor areas of Baltimore … stimulus money.

    Total taxpayer money given: $1.8 billion.

    One poor neighborhood, Mid-Town Belvedere, got a whopping $838 million.

    That includes $467 million to education, $206 million to the environment, $24 million to "the family," and $15 million to transportation.

    The result: Not much improvement.

    http://www.billoreilly.com/b/Another-Round-of-Why-Politicians-Will-Not-Tell-You-the-Truth/782836169594361973.html
    You really mean no improvement. The billions of dollars given to these democratic ruled northern cities ended on the following:

    1. Construction of new freeways and housing projects in the 50s and 60s.
    2. Development of convention centers, enclosed shopping malls, luxury hotels, and bank towers in the 60s and 70s.
    3. Development of light rail transit lines, sports stadiums and arenas, more office towers and hotels in the 80s and 90s.
    4. The worst and most ineffective silver bullet of them all, gambling casinos along with more sports stadiums, luxury hotels, and corporate office towers in the early 2000s.

    Meanwhile neighborhoods, local services, schools, parks were all neglected and allowed to deteriorate. Housing stock increasingly owned by absentee landlords and than abandoned altogether. Factories and warehouses that were old and obsolete were left deteriorating and abandoned. Industrial brownfields that were a menace to public health never cleaned up. Violent crime became rampant in these neglected neighborhoods and the police just became a militarized occupying force. Streets and sidewalks with rutted, deteriorated pavement became commonplace yet there was no money available to repair the decrepit infrastructure. Schools horribly underfunded and under equipped that provided a shoddy, second rate education.
    Yet the corrupt, incompetent democratic blue cries and whines about shrunken tax bases and no money to help distressed neighborhoods but yet when some wealthy developer blows into town with some extravagant, silver bullet, redevelopment project for downtown or in one of the well off neighborhoods, than all of a sudden there is huge gobs of cash available to implement yet another expensive fantasy disguised as economic development and job creation. The sad fact of the reality is that most urban residents fall for the bullshit and they keep making the horrendous mistake of voting all democrat in municipal elections. It is just a vicious, destructive cycle that has now infested and ruined older inner ring suburbs just outside these troubled cities. Evidently, the rot, decay, and political nepotism is spreading further out.
  • Hypertrophile

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    May 05, 2015 2:56 PM GMT
    Since all of the money used to alleviate poverty ultimately goes to the ruling class, the problem becomes clear. We have a Welfare/Industrial complex with the goal of keeping, and expanding, the welfare class.

    Anyone who thinks the Republican party supports this any less than the Democrats is pretty naive.
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    May 05, 2015 3:35 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    socalfitness saidFor the past 48 years, Democrats have controlled the city of Baltimore.

    During that time, the city's population has fallen 30% and the poverty situation has grown more intense.

    During the last five years, the federal government has poured billions of dollars into the poor areas of Baltimore … stimulus money.

    Total taxpayer money given: $1.8 billion.

    One poor neighborhood, Mid-Town Belvedere, got a whopping $838 million.

    That includes $467 million to education, $206 million to the environment, $24 million to "the family," and $15 million to transportation.

    The result: Not much improvement.

    http://www.billoreilly.com/b/Another-Round-of-Why-Politicians-Will-Not-Tell-You-the-Truth/782836169594361973.html
    You really mean no improvement. The billions of dollars given to these democratic ruled northern cities ended on the following:

    1. Construction of new freeways and housing projects in the 50s and 60s.
    2. Development of convention centers, enclosed shopping malls, luxury hotels, and bank towers in the 60s and 70s.
    3. Development of light rail transit lines, sports stadiums and arenas, more office towers and hotels in the 80s and 90s.
    4. The worst and most ineffective silver bullet of them all, gambling casinos along with more sports stadiums, luxury hotels, and corporate office towers in the early 2000s.

    Meanwhile neighborhoods, local services, schools, parks were all neglected and allowed to deteriorate. Housing stock increasingly owned by absentee landlords and than abandoned altogether. Factories and warehouses that were old and obsolete were left deteriorating and abandoned. Industrial brownfields that were a menace to public health never cleaned up. Violent crime became rampant in these neglected neighborhoods and the police just became a militarized occupying force. Streets and sidewalks with rutted, deteriorated pavement became commonplace yet there was no money available to repair the decrepit infrastructure. Schools horribly underfunded and under equipped that provided a shoddy, second rate education.
    Yet the corrupt, incompetent democratic blue cries and whines about shrunken tax bases and no money to help distressed neighborhoods but yet when some wealthy developer blows into town with some extravagant, silver bullet, redevelopment project for downtown or in one of the well off neighborhoods, than all of a sudden there is huge gobs of cash available to implement yet another expensive fantasy disguised as economic development and job creation. The sad fact of the reality is that most urban residents fall for the bullshit and they keep making the horrendous mistake of voting all democrat in municipal elections. It is just a vicious, destructive cycle that has now infested and ruined older inner ring suburbs just outside these troubled cities. Evidently, the rot, decay, and political nepotism is spreading further out.

    Good points. Also interesting to note how liberals try to cover this up by posting irrelevant statistics or making ambiguous statements. They only fool themselves.
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    May 05, 2015 7:11 PM GMT
    There's another thread by the NY Times spammer that says the GOP doesn't care about the middle class. If you read this thread, it's clear that the Democrats don't care about the poor, other than giving them lip service.
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    May 05, 2015 8:02 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidThere's another thread by the NY Times spammer that says the GOP doesn't care about the middle class. If you read this thread, it's clear that the Democrats don't care about the poor, other than giving them lip service.


    ^^^
    I just responded to a that claim that the GOP doesn't care about the middle class by giving figures on the Middle Class being predominantly GOP which makes you wonder who the hell the survey of the NYT spammer interviewed about how the Middle Class feels about the not caring for them...

    Also I ranted on a opinion piece the NYT spammer posted by Charles Blow that is so full of holes and cherry picking that it was sad to read. Blow is a triple crown winning hypocrite.
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    May 05, 2015 8:44 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidThere's another thread by the NY Times spammer that says the GOP doesn't care about the middle class. If you read this thread, it's clear that the Democrats don't care about the poor, other than giving them lip service.


    ^^^
    I just responded to a that claim that the GOP doesn't care about the middle class by giving figures on the Middle Class being predominantly GOP which makes you wonder who the hell the survey of the NYT spammer interviewed about how the Middle Class feels about the not caring for them...

    Also I ranted on a opinion piece the NYT spammer posted by Charles Blow that is so full of holes and cherry picking that it was sad to read. Blow is a triple crown winning hypocrite.

    My general strategy is to generally ignore his threads except sometimes just respond to show how dishonest he and his threads are. I think he's all about wanting high view counts, but I like seeing most of his threads sink to the bottom quickly.
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    May 06, 2015 12:38 AM GMT
    Won't change the thread title, but the following could be added:

    Strongly shows the Dems are ok with the poor staying poor and dependent

    Clear inference from their actions over the past many years, and supports other threads.
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 06, 2015 1:08 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said11050246_681059438667509_402554006637403
    The same, exact, unfortunate fact can also be applied to Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, Toledo, Cleveland, Buffalo, Rochester, and Newark. They have all been oppressed and deeply distressed by horribly failed urban policies of the donkey dorks. Keep being blind sycophants to the Democratic Party you stupid city slickers and things will just keep getting progressively worse.icon_mad.gif