UK general election day

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    May 07, 2015 1:16 PM GMT
    Today polls open in the UK to elect the next government. With no one looking even close to getting a majority, no one is really sure what's going to happen and some even think we'll be having another election before the end of the year.

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    May 07, 2015 8:11 PM GMT
    One thing I find interesting about this election is the amount of Brits who would be ok with their country unilaterally getting rid of its nuclear arsenal.
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    May 07, 2015 8:28 PM GMT
    AaronH20P saidOne thing I find interesting about this election is the amount of Brits who would be ok with their country unilaterally getting rid of its nuclear arsenal.


    actually it's mainly the Scots not wanting a nuke submarine base
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    May 07, 2015 8:32 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    AaronH20P saidOne thing I find interesting about this election is the amount of Brits who would be ok with their country unilaterally getting rid of its nuclear arsenal.


    actually it's mainly the Scots not wanting a nuke submarine base


    There's also the Greens. The Liberal Democrats want to reduce its size but not completely dismantle it.
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    May 07, 2015 8:40 PM GMT
    Yes, it's ridiculous. I was speaking to some Green Party supporters today, and they also want open boarders (ie no visa requirements) for the whole world :S and they want the state to pay every citizen £70 a week as a "citizens' income" regardless of how much they earn already. Thankfully the first-past-the-post voting system means they'll never have any influence.
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    May 07, 2015 8:40 PM GMT
    All of the main English parties are for retaining Britain's nuclear deterrent. It is not going away any time soon.

    It is one of the most fascinating UK general elections since the 1920s. My guess: I think Labour will end up in a better position than the Conservatives to cobble together a workable majority. We shall see. Interesting times.
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    May 07, 2015 9:09 PM GMT
    Holy shit exit polls showing Red Ed got blown the fuck out.
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    May 08, 2015 12:35 AM GMT
    "My guess: I think Labour will end up in a better position than the Conservatives to cobble together a workable majority. We shall see. Interesting times."

    If you look at the exit polls, the Conservatives are just falling short of a majority by 10 seats
  • Lincsbear

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    May 08, 2015 5:25 AM GMT
    The immediate story of the 2015 election is the rise and rise of the Scottish nationalists.
    The more long term one is the broken constitution(or what passes for one here), and the failed voting system(SNP with fifty odd seats and five percent of the vote, UKIP with something like thirteen percent and less than five seats).
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    May 08, 2015 7:45 AM GMT
    Conservatives now, unexpectedly, predicted to have a legitimate majority!
  • Relajado

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    May 08, 2015 12:39 PM GMT
    I can't at this Tory majority and surge in Scottish nationalism icon_cry.gificon_cry.gif

    We now go back to 2 parties or just let the Tories rule forever.

    Disgraceful result, going back 10 steps.
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    May 08, 2015 4:11 PM GMT
    It's interesting that the English really don't like the Scots all that much
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    May 08, 2015 4:49 PM GMT
    I don't think it is too bad a result. There won't be weeks of trying to put together a coalition and the SNP won't have a say in government. The Tories have done a decent job of keeping the economy on track and they did introduce same-sex marriage. They are not 'conservative' in the US sense of the word. The nearest thing we have to a US Republican Party, UKIP, failed dismally (winning just one seat out of 650) and their only real asset, Farage, lost his seventh attempt to become an MP. He and UKIP are toast. I'll drink to that.
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    May 08, 2015 10:52 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidI don't think it is too bad a result. There won't be weeks of trying to put together a coalition and the SNP won't have a say in government. The Tories have done a decent job of keeping the economy on track and they did introduce same-sex marriage. They are not 'conservative' in the US sense of the word. The nearest thing we have to a US Republican Party, UKIP, failed dismally (winning just one seat out of 650) and their only real asset, Farage, lost his seventh attempt to become an MP. He and UKIP are toast. I'll drink to that.

    I`m not so sure about UKIP. They`ve become the protest vote from the Liberal Democrats and there`s plenty of protest to go round, given our disenchantment with mainstream politics. It`s true they are something of a one man show, but four million votes can`t be dismissed easily. In my own constituency they came second to the conservatives, cutting their majority by two thirds. Farage knows how to get noticed. UKIP are much better placed for 2020.
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    May 09, 2015 5:58 AM GMT
    If the Brits want to be governed and gutted by the same people who raised the number of foodbanks the way they have, by a factor of seven in five years, and who fabricated the pretense of a functioning economy by blowing the biggest bubble in British history in selling off London town to monopoly money Chinese, Russian expat oligarchs and other such impeccable and blameless world citizens, if that’s what the Brits want, then let them have it.

    yeah, this makes a lot of sense

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    May 09, 2015 10:15 AM GMT
    Lincsbear said
    I`m not so sure about UKIP. They`ve become the protest vote from the Liberal Democrats and there`s plenty of protest to go round, given our disenchantment with mainstream politics. It`s true they are something of a one man show, but four million votes can`t be dismissed easily. In my own constituency they came second to the conservatives, cutting their majority by two thirds. Farage knows how to get noticed. UKIP are much better placed for 2020.


    Had Farage won, I would have been inclined to agree with you. But if even he cannot take a targeted seat, with his high media profile and charismatic personality, then they are pretty much sunk as a credible political party. While doubtless UKIP has plenty of well-meaning (albeit naive) supporters, its wayward (i.e. homophobic, racists and eccentric) members have become a liability. They cannot even be trusted to keep their traps shut long enough to get them through an election campaign. You have to remember UKIP hoovered-up all those former-BNP supporters (6.2% of the UK electorate in the 2009 European elections) after that party collapsed. Not enough decent British people are ever going to trust UKIP sufficiently for them to get any real power. The best they can ever hope for is a majority of the 'protest vote'.

    Nigel Farage: "Part of me is happier than I have felt for many, many years"
    Yeah, me too, Nigel.
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    May 09, 2015 1:24 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidyeah, this makes a lot of sense

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    The current electoral system is that way because that is how the majority of the British electorate like it. You are probably unaware that just 4 years ago we had a national referendum on electoral reform, in which 69.7% voted to keep the current 'first past the post' system and 32.1% (including me) voted to change to an 'alternative vote' system.

    In your own national votes for POTUS and both houses of the US Congress, Americans (except those in Maine and Nebraska) use FPTP too, so our electoral system makes as much sense as yours.

    And the US is doing pretty good business itself when it comes to 'selling out' to foreigners:

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    May 09, 2015 7:54 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    Lincsbear said
    I`m not so sure about UKIP. They`ve become the protest vote from the Liberal Democrats and there`s plenty of protest to go round, given our disenchantment with mainstream politics. It`s true they are something of a one man show, but four million votes can`t be dismissed easily. In my own constituency they came second to the conservatives, cutting their majority by two thirds. Farage knows how to get noticed. UKIP are much better placed for 2020.


    Had Farage won, I would have been inclined to agree with you. But if even he cannot take a targeted seat, with his high media profile and charismatic personality, then they are pretty much sunk as a credible political party. While doubtless UKIP has plenty of well-meaning (albeit naive) supporters, its wayward (i.e. homophobic, racists and eccentric) members have become a liability. They cannot even be trusted to keep their traps shut long enough to get them through an election campaign. You have to remember UKIP hoovered-up all those former-BNP supporters (6.2% of the UK electorate in the 2009 European elections) after that party collapsed. Not enough decent British people are ever going to trust UKIP sufficiently for them to get any real power. The best they can ever hope for is a majority of the 'protest vote'.

    Nigel Farage: "Part of me is happier than I have felt for many, many years"
    Yeah, me too, Nigel.

    I think the jury`s out on this lot.
    It`s certainly true their party organization and discipline is something of a shambles(their performance on Lincolnshire County Council has been nothing short of a pantomime, splitting acrimoniously into national and local versions), but the potential is there, given that protest vote. The electoral system is also heavily against them. But I heard today UKIP have won their first local authority government, ironically in East Thanet which included Farge`s attempt at the parliamentary constituency. Maybe they will come up that way, slowly, over the next few years?
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    May 10, 2015 2:03 AM GMT
    "Defying the opinion polls, Cameron’s Conservatives won 331 of the 650 seats in parliament, giving him a second term in office — this time with a majority for his center-right party."

    Hee hee. icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 10, 2015 2:30 PM GMT
    conservativejock said"Defying the opinion polls, Cameron’s Conservatives won 331 of the 650 seats in parliament, giving him a second term in office — this time with a majority for his center-right party."

    Hee hee. icon_biggrin.gif


    It is good to see a rabid American conservative leaning to the left for a change:

    British Conservatives: Not Very Conservative By U.S. Standards
    "The truth is that despite headline differences on stimulus spending, in several respects, including social attitudes, many British Tories do feel more in common with Democrats than with the G.O.P."
    http://world.time.com/2012/10/10/british-conservatives-not-very-conservative-by-u-s-standards



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    May 10, 2015 2:52 PM GMT
    conservativejock said"Defying the opinion polls, Cameron’s Conservatives won 331 of the 650 seats in parliament, giving him a second term in office — this time with a majority for his center-right party."

    Hee hee. icon_biggrin.gif


    Their highest tax bracket is a whooping 45% + their sales tax is 20%. British conservatives are also anti-gun, anti-self defence and anti-free speech. Most European countries have a choice between socialism and apeshit socialism.

    This is what happens when "conservatives" are in power in the UK.



    Their leftwing party wanted to outright make "islamophobia" a crime.

    When a more libertarian party shows up that is somewhat closer to the GOP their media goes to great lengths to brand them as the nasty fascist racist nazi party that wants to kill every non-white.
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    May 10, 2015 3:53 PM GMT
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    Libertarian party? Presumably you are referring to UKIP (the nearest thing we have to the GOP) and they ain't libertarian. They took (retained) only one parliamentary seat out of 650, because the overwhelming majority of the British people don't want them in power, certainly not on a national legislative or governmental level. You are welcome to your highly polarized political system in the US. It just isn't the British way. No need to get angry about it.

    As for Churchill, he (and a lot of other people) said many things in his day that would not be acceptable today. For example, in the early 20th century, he was an advocate of eugenics. If I went outside my local town hall today and started shouting about gay people needing to be eradicated through sterilization and selective breeding, I would expect to get arrested too. Paul Weston was arrested after complaints from members of the public. He was detained after failing to comply with a request by police to move on. No further action was taken against him. It is a non-story, like most of the guff you post, Aaron.

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    May 10, 2015 8:40 PM GMT
    Yes I'm fully aware very few people want UKIP in power because they've grown used to having the government provide everything for them. It's the whole "free public services" thing people in Europe believe in but forget those services are far from free considering how much they get taxed. Thankfully there's still a lot of resistance to the idea that the government should decide how peoples' money is spent in the USA.

    And you seem strangely selective on what is considered acceptable speech. There are countless examples of Muslims preaching the most barbaric shit in public in the UK. How many of them have been arrested? Doesn't Anjem Choudray even get free airtime to spread his message? I don't remember the police storming the BBC studio to arrest him despite a lot of people complaining about it.

    As for no further action being taken, that's also not true. He was charged twice but those were dropped after the media backlash.
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    May 10, 2015 10:20 PM GMT
    I think those City of London types just let the other peasants stick around so they can tax them

    English history is nothing more than centuries of taxes and war
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    May 10, 2015 10:20 PM GMT
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    I don't think we need any lectures on the provision of public services from someone in a country (the richest in the world) that introduced something as basic as a universal healthcare 70 years after the UK did.

    Choudray, who receives little support from mainstream UK Muslims, was arrested in 2014 and other Muslims have been arrested for public order offences in the UK.

    Paul Weston was initially arrested on suspicion of one offence (failing to comply with a section 27 dispersal order) and further arrested on suspicion of another offence (religious/racial harassment), all on the same occasion. He was released on bail without charge, pending further investigations. There were no charges to be dropped because he was never charged, though doubtless it suits his little martyrdom narrative to claim he was. Had he been charged, his charges could not have been dropped by the police. This can only be done by the CPS. The guy is an idiot who is so right-wing even UKIP didn't want him.

    Here is the text of the Hampshire Police letter from his own website:

    "You were bailed on 26th April 2014, under the provision of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 in connection with an allegation of a breach of a S27 dispersal notice and a Racial/ Religious Aggravated Section 4 Public Order Offence. Police enquiries have now been completed and after careful consideration of all the circumstances, it has been decided that no further police action will be taken. However, if further significant evidence becomes available at a later date, the decision may be reconsidered and the advice of the Crown Prosecution Service sought."